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Trump: ‘I Am Your Retribution’

'Vengeance is mine,' says the Lord Vader of Palm Beach. But libs should ask: 'What did we do to deserve it?'
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Watch this clip from Trump's CPAC speech; it has a Darth Vadery feel to it:

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Two initial reactions from me.

First, this is horrifying. We have here a man who wants to return to the White House selling himself as the candidate of vengeance. Not justice, not a return to common sense and normality. Revenge. To say this is not healthy politics is to vastly understate matters. In his chief rival, Ron DeSantis, we have a tough politician who -- unlike Trump -- actually takes risks to roll back wokeness, and does so effectively. DeSantis offers a positive vision that's vastly tougher than the usual do-nothing Republican normie crap. But I have doubts about the power of that up against Trump's appeal to the darkest, most primitive emotion. I really hope I'm wrong. Even if DeSantis should win the GOP nomination, it's easy to imagine Trump playing spoiler, and locking up the vengeance vote.

Second, though, the Left should ask itself why it is that Trump arose, and can stand there getting loads of applause promising people to be their agent of retribution. How did we get to a point in our country in which vast numbers of people would be willing to vote for a candidate that openly promises vengeance on their enemies? I don't expect anybody on the Left to think about this, but they sure as hell should. Spain did not spiral into civil war in the 1930s because of the Right's actions alone.

For what do Trump voters seek retribution? It's not that hard to think of causes. Maybe they resent that the United States, for the first time since World War II, is living through a decline in life expectancy. Maybe they resent the fact that the country seems to be falling apart -- drugs, crime, etc -- and nobody in power seems to be able or willing to do anything about it. Maybe they resent that the ruling class -- Biden at the top -- has brought into being a world that privileges some people on the basis of skin color, and punishes others (most recently, see Biden's "equity" executive order). Maybe they resent that entire institutions and professional fields have been seized by ideological fanatics who are destroying the possibility of excellence therein. Maybe they're sick and tired of seeing all the crime return to their streets, and watching it explained away or ignored by the media because it doesn't fit the Narrative. Maybe they are fed up with Washington politicians of both parties who won't stop mass immigration by sealing the southern border (which could have been done for a fraction of the money we have sent to Ukraine). Maybe they resent that their children are propagandized at school and in the media to hate their own bodies and think that they might be happy if they severed their breasts or testicles. Maybe they hate that Washington in this century hasn't yet found a war it didn't want to fight, using their sons and daughters. Maybe they hate that our woke ruling class has created Weimar America, and calls it Paradise.

Maybe they are tired of feeling dispossessed in their own country. I think of this passage from the introduction to (liberal) Alan Ehrenhalt's great 1996 book The Lost City: The Forgotten Virtues of Community In America, about how Chicago changed in the 1960s and 1970s. Ehrenhalt writes in these paragraphs with sympathy about the losers in the great cultural revolution of that era:

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Ehrenhalt's book is almost thirty years old. American expats living in my circle in Budapest agree that the Hungarian capital feels like life in America in the mid-1990s: things were loosening up, but it still felt like things were cohesive, and purposeful, and ... normal. Unlike today. A lot of us wish we could have the mid-1990s back.

Anyway, the danger about Trump's positioning himself as a crusader for vengeance is that he is tapping into something real. A lot of Americans have good reason to want retribution. But if that's what they pursue, they're going to tear our country apart. Joe Biden, the Democrats, and their woke battalions marching through America's institutions have done a hell of a job ripping apart the social fabric of our country, and tearing to bits the classical liberal virtues that made life together in our highly diverse nation possible. We can hope that a DeSantis presidency will be the beginning of a restoration. We can be certain that a Trump presidency might give the Left what it deserves, but will also lead America even further into chaos and internal conflict.

If Biden had not gone pedal-to-the-metal on wokeness, we might not be here today. But he did, and we are. If you haven't read Tucker Carlson's excellent January 2016 Politico essay about Trump's candidacy, titled "Donald Trump Is Shocking, Vulgar -- And Right," you really should. Right now, read it. He explains in it how then-candidate Trump, who was not taken seriously by GOP officials and media folks at that point (mea maxima culpa!), despite his crudeness, made a necessary critique of the rottenness of Washington -- especially the establishment GOP. Here's an excerpt:

He Exists Because You Failed

American presidential elections usually amount to a series of overcorrections: Clinton begat Bush, who produced Obama, whose lax border policies fueled the rise of Trump. In the case of Trump, though, the GOP shares the blame, and not just because his fellow Republicans misdirected their ad buys or waited so long to criticize him. Trump is in part a reaction to the intellectual corruption of the Republican Party. That ought to be obvious to his critics, yet somehow it isn’t.

Consider the conservative nonprofit establishment, which seems to employ most right-of-center adults in Washington. Over the past 40 years, how much donated money have all those think tanks and foundations consumed? Billions, certainly. (Someone better at math and less prone to melancholy should probably figure out the precise number.) Has America become more conservative over that same period? Come on. Most of that cash went to self-perpetuation: Salaries, bonuses, retirement funds, medical, dental, lunches, car services, leases on high-end office space, retreats in Mexico, more fundraising. Unless you were the direct beneficiary of any of that, you’d have to consider it wasted.

Pretty embarrassing. And yet they’re not embarrassed. Many of those same overpaid, underperforming tax-exempt sinecure-holders are now demanding that Trump be stopped. Why? Because, as his critics have noted in a rising chorus of hysteria, Trump represents “an existential threat to conservatism.”

Let that sink in. Conservative voters are being scolded for supporting a candidate they consider conservative because it would be bad for conservatism? And by the way, the people doing the scolding? They’re the ones who’ve been advocating for open borders, and nation-building in countries whose populations hate us, and trade deals that eliminated jobs while enriching their donors, all while implicitly mocking the base for its worries about abortion and gay marriage and the pace of demographic change. Now they’re telling their voters to shut up and obey, and if they don’t, they’re liberal.

It turns out the GOP wasn’t simply out of touch with its voters; the party had no idea who its voters were or what they believed. For decades, party leaders and intellectuals imagined that most Republicans were broadly libertarian on economics and basically neoconservative on foreign policy. That may sound absurd now, after Trump has attacked nearly the entire Republican catechism (he savaged the Iraq War and hedge fund managers in the same debate) and been greatly rewarded for it, but that was the assumption the GOP brain trust operated under. They had no way of knowing otherwise. The only Republicans they talked to read the Wall Street Journal too.

On immigration policy, party elders were caught completely by surprise. Even canny operators like Ted Cruz didn’t appreciate the depth of voter anger on the subject. And why would they? If you live in an affluent ZIP code, it’s hard to see a downside to mass low-wage immigration. Your kids don’t go to public school. You don’t take the bus or use the emergency room for health care. No immigrant is competing for your job. (The day Hondurans start getting hired as green energy lobbyists is the day my neighbors become nativists.) Plus, you get cheap servants, and get to feel welcoming and virtuous while paying them less per hour than your kids make at a summer job on Nantucket. It’s all good.

Apart from his line about Mexican rapists early in the campaign, Trump hasn’t said anything especially shocking about immigration. Control the border, deport lawbreakers, try not to admit violent criminals — these are the ravings of a Nazi? This is the “ghost of George Wallace” that a Politico piece described last August? A lot of Republican leaders think so. No wonder their voters are rebelling.

It goes on, concluding:

Washington Republicans look on at this in horror, their suspicions confirmed. Beneath the thin topsoil of rural conservatism, they see the seeds of proto-fascism beginning to sprout. But that’s not quite right. Republicans in the states aren’t dangerous. They’ve just evaluated the alternatives and decided those are worse.

We know what happened next. Now, if I were a Democrat, I would try to hold my disgust with "I am your retribution" in abeyance long enough to think about why that kind of raw appeal speaks to people -- especially in a time when American infrastructure is collapsing, and there's no clear economic stability for more and more people, yet both parties in Washington find it urgently necessary to send over $100 billion to fight Russia in Ukraine. Maybe, just maybe, normal people have had it with the ruling class.

Y'all know me: I'm very enthusiastic about Ron DeSantis's candidacy, and think he would be a great president. But I get why the Darth Vader of Palm Beach reaches people. Trump had four years to show what he could do, and he mostly flopped. We on the Right can't afford four more years of lib-owning rhetoric, while the Left solidifies its hold on institutional life. But we just might get it. And if that happens, the Left's outrageous excesses in the Biden years will be the main cause. I know, I know: liberal readers are going to construe this as me giving Trump voters a "look what the libs made me do!" excuse. Come on, though: think! I know people who are fundamentally conservative, but who voted for Biden because they could not stand Trump. You could mock them by saying their stance is "look what Trump made me do!", but that is a childish way to cope with a real political phenomenon. After all, the votes of people who cast them out of sheer disgust for the other guy count just as much as the votes of people who cast them out of principled analysis. If you want to understand how we got here, and where we might be going next, you had better consider both the shocking and vulgar aspects of Donald Trump, but also the things that the Left in power (in politics and in institutional and business life) have done to wreck the country from the point of view of ordinary conservatives. If liberals and progressives become so drunk on their own sense of moral righteousness that they can't see why so many Americans hate what they are doing, and take it as a personal attack, they won't see a second Trump term coming.

For many of the people to whom "I am your retribution" rhetoric appeals, the radical erosion of community and authority, and of a sense of national purpose, in the last generation is not a matter of intellectual debate. It is something they can feel in their bones, and it makes them shiver.

(Readers, today begins the final week of this blog at TAC, after twelve years. Once again, I invite you who have enjoyed what your have read here to move over with me to Rod Dreher's Diary, my subscription-only Substack. It costs only five dollars per month, or fifty dollars per year. You get at least five fresh posts per day from me, though this past week, I will have sent out one each day after I get today's mailing out. And you can participate in what is fast becoming one of the best comments sections on the web. Please join me today, and together we can rule the galaxy, or at least the back row at the Prytania Theater.)

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Bogdán Emil
Bogdán Emil
Five fresh posts per day? I wish...

If you ask me, Trump will be the next president, and he will do fine, just like last time, but probably even better, because he will be experienced. "Retribution" is less colorful language than calling Mexican immigrants rapists, for example. He has survived much worse than this semi-fascist hinting at whatever, because in fact, retribution is part of justice. It doesn't have to be a literal eye for an eye, a blood feud, a spiral of vengeance. Simply put, if you have done something wrong, you should expect to pay for it somehow. Your rehabilitation isn't payment for your crime. An enlightened view of justice includes rehabilitation but does not exclude punishment.

I repeat, if you have caused suffering, expect to suffer in return. In an ideal world, your victim should forgive you, and you should never do it again? In the real world, our mistakes and sins and crimes cannot go unpunished. Even weregild is punishment. How are you supposed to come up with all those cows without bankrupting your family?

Life has consequences, and I bet "retribution" is a carefully selected word by Trump. It goes up to the line without crossing it. This is part of the fine art of communicating a message effectively, practiced by Dreher and Orbán, too, among others. We shall see if DeSantis has the chops to deliver in this aspect, since Style is as important as Substance, especially for politicians. A leader without charisma doesn't lead for long.

"I am your retribution" has both political style and substance. It is simple, confident, pointed. Realistically, it could be an eye for an eye in the sense that people will be "deplatformed." They will lose their jobs. They will have transsexuals dance suggestively in front of their children. I don't know, what do Trump's foes, the soft totalitarian illiberal dictators, do to their enemies these days? Do they kill them in the streets? No, they do not. So, at worst, the political retribution will be a tribute in kind. But, most likely, it will also include aspects of compassion and rehabilitation, since Trump likes to cover all his bases, I have noticed. He is as much modernist as traditionalist.

More power to him. Orbán is right in the sense that out of all the political figures on the scene who could effect this Russia war positively, Trump is the one with the most credibility to actually deliver something. In other words, the best hope for world peace right now is Donald Trump.
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    Fran Macadam
    Fran Macadam
    Several Republican officeholders have been murdered. And there have been attempts on the Justices. Famously, the Bernie Bro tried assassinating the Republican legislators playing baseball, and Scalise almost died from one gunshot. Even progressively worse professors have called for Republicans to be murdered.
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      Bogdán Emil
      Bogdán Emil
      All that stuff is happening already, sir, on all sides. The country has all the maneuverability of an oil tanker, regardless. The deep state isn't going anywhere, nor the MIC, neither are the latest cultural trends. Another Trump term would move things slightly, in a better direction, again. He is not actually a revolution, though, his victory is just another case of "the other guys win, for now" because: democracy.

      If you don't like Trump, don't worry, the chances of him self-destructing are about equal to his chances of success. A pure fifty-fifty, that man. That totally non-fascist American politician who is also an abject buffoon sometimes, and an impeacheable idiot. Yes.

      DeSantis will likely be president one day, and if so, he will surpass Trump. The problem is that he has no real opening against Agent Orange, unless he is willing to attack with a flamethrower. In order for DeSantis to achieve his goals politically before Trump retires, he MUST attack Trump. But how?

      He is stuck. Trump the abominable abnormality, the human gong of our alarming times has the upper hand in the short run.
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        Fran Macadam
        Fran Macadam
        So far, all indications are from past performance are that he would defend the military industrial complex and endless foreign wars, but in the least Woke manner achievable. He's tried to ban Woke trans indoctrination to the third grade, with teachers in rebellion, but as Tulsi Gabbard observed, why does he allow it to be promoted after the third grade? It should be gone altogether. It's bad, because teacher authority for this propaganda is reaching students when their developing adolescent minds are even more vulnerable to trans and homosexuality promotion.
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      JON FRAZIER
      JON FRAZIER
      Re: Several Republican officeholders have been murdered.

      Please name them. And I assume we're talking recent time (post 2000?) not Lincoln, Garfield and McKinley.
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        Fran Macadam
        Fran Macadam
        Recently in the news, state legislators, not national figures.
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          JON FRAZIER
          JON FRAZIER
          Again, please provide names. Searched online but didn't come with anything outside the attempt on Steve Scalise and the congressmen playing softball a few years back.
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        Richard Morton
        Richard Morton
        Jon, Two local Republican council persons. Hopefully, not political payback, but murders nonetheless.
        https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/09/us/new-jersey-councilman-russell-heller-shot-dead/index.html
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          JON FRAZIER
          JON FRAZIER
          Thank you for providing the information.
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Fran Macadam
Fran Macadam
Don wants to stop the daily escalation to World War III, explicitly. That is where we're headed. Ron, not so much, just a vague promise of fiscal accountability, that never has yet been required of the Pentagon. DeSantis as a congressman voted for every war.
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    Bernie
    Bernie
    We don’t as yet know what DeSantis’ approaches to Ukraine and Taiwan would be. I actually share your concern about the Ukraine situation escalating in devastating ways we can’t foresee. Ditto for Taiwan. Sadly, I think Biden’s administration will have made the determinative military decisions in these situations before the next President is sworn in. Then there is Iran. The next President’s role will depend on what he finds he has inherited in regard to these complicated situations, and no one currently knows what that will be. It’s impossible for a Presidential candidate to know at this time what he would have to deal with on Inauguration Day. But many of us who think Trump is self-destructive and may well lose in a Presidential election are very concerned about war. We’ll be very attentive to how DeSantis’ philosophy toward these military decisions evidences itself before the primary. It’s premature to know this.
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      JON FRAZIER
      JON FRAZIER
      It's a non-negotiable requirement that a president be competent at the job. Trump has shown that he is not,
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Bernie
Bernie
Rod, this is an outstanding post and mirrors my own opinions almost exactly. It’s an excellent summation of the current reality in our country.
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Fran Macadam
Fran Macadam
I watched the entire speech at CPAC by Donald Trump and heard the retribution remarks in context. It was not about vengeance, but removing the DIE and CRT Woke commissars that the Biden executive orders have installed and are extending to every agency. I can't help saying that your "Vader" characterization is wholly misplaced. Perhaps it's because of a brief clip and what you project onto it, instead of the entirety of the speech. Is it the lingering NYT state of mind garnering too much of the overtone window? For myself, I found over 90% of what was said accurate. One error was attributing the famous line about robbing banks because that's where the money is, to Jesse James, instead of Willie Sutton.
I think after watching the entirety of the speech, which I find unfairly represented here, rather than almost entirely on target, that a position that is so strongly anti-Trump is not entirely compatible with The American Conservative's objectives. I think that Daniel Larison's writing had begun to suffer in its effectiveness for an even stronger prejudice against the facts, certainly in that one facet.
I too wish there were others capable of getting elected with the same stated policies as outlined in his speech to CPAC. (Watch it all on Rumble.) However, to dump on Trump, in the absence of others willing to denounce the Deep State as he just has, is to make the better the enemy of the good.
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JON FRAZIER
JON FRAZIER
The urge for revenge is evil, full stop. We have no need of retribution. We have need of hope.
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    Jonesy
    Jonesy
    I don’t know, after the last decades of no one paying a price for anything they did or anyone they cancelled, I would like to see a wee bit of retribution.
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Jonesy
Jonesy
I’m torn about him. I disagree that he didn’t get much done especially with immigration crossings but he was hindered in getting more done because of his appointments who actively worked against him-jeff sessions excepted. He was conspired against and that cannot stand. He’s a terrible judge of character but he should be allowed to finish his term. DeSantis is needed to set example of how states can take their power back.
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Jonesy
Jonesy
I’m torn about him. I disagree that he didn’t get much done especially with immigration crossings but he was hindered in getting more done because of his appointments who actively worked against him-jeff sessions excepted. He was conspired against and that cannot stand. He’s a terrible judge of character but he should be allowed to finish his ter
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Todd Blodgett
Todd Blodgett
Lots of us would love to see a Darth Vader dispatched, to deal with the likes of the Obamas, the Clintons, AOC, Schumer, Waters, Schiff, Harris, Mayorkas, Pelosi, and other evil enemies of America.

Under such a scenario, such conniving, vile leftists would be lucky to leave this world in the manner of Bonnie and Clyde - which is far better than they deserve. As one of America's premier philosophers, Larry the Cable Guy, often says: "Git 'er done."

So, heck, YES ... TRUMP in '24: Finish the job, and finish 'em off!
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