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Shhh! Nobody Talk About World War III

As West's ruling class leads us closer to the brink of nuclear conflict with Russia, dissent can barely be heard
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That's a shelf in my bathroom here in Budapest. Got my potassium iodide pills (antidote to radiation poisoning of the thyroid) right next to a vial of holy water. Such is life these days in my part of the world.

Yesterday I wrote about how Hungarian PM Viktor Orban said the West's sending tanks to Ukraine is another sign that we are in a real war with Russia. To be clear, Orban thinks this is an extremely bad idea! His point is that led by the United States, NATO countries are bumbling into an honest-to-God war with nuclear-armed Russia, over Ukraine.

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I can't get this out of my mind ... because it's true. There is no other way to understand America and Germany (under intense US pressure) sending advanced tanks to Ukraine, other than the West inserting itself into a war, on behalf of one party. (A party who, by the way, seems to be run by people who steal our money.) Whatever the morality of the Ukrainians cause, the fact remains that Russia has nuclear weapons. Get it? Russia has nuclear weapons. We used to live in a world where that horrible fact meant something. It meant that our policymakers had to be extremely careful, as did theirs, so the entire world didn't go up in a quick series of flashes and mushroom clouds.

Apparently all of that has been pushed aside. We provoked this stupid war with Russia -- which, let there be no doubt, needs to turn around and go home. And now we're in it to win it, though what "win" looks like in a conflict with a nuclear-armed country is madness. Why aren't we talking about that? Why aren't we talking about that a lot, given the stakes? Here in Europe, Viktor Orban is the only European leader willing to raise the question, but he's a pariah. I don't follow the networks in the US from afar, but I do read the newspapers and the print press online, and as far as I can tell, this is a forbidden topic. If anything, the Democratic Party is more hawkish than the Republicans. For someone who remembers the way the disastrous Iraq War was sold to the American people, this is infuriating and depressing -- and even back then, there was more critical discussion of that war in advance than this one, despite the stakes here being infinitely higher.

Do the American and European peoples understand what their ruling class is doing here? Why is the news media not informing them, or at least facilitating discussion and debate? Why are the media in the tank for the war parties? Does this not strike you as strange?

The obvious answer is that to examine the situation might lead ordinary Americans (and Europeans) to conclude that as awful as Russia has been, and as brave as the Ukrainians have been in defending their country, it is in nobody's interest for this conflict to escalate, because it would be fatally easy for it to go nuclear. And if people start thinking about what's going on, and what might well happen, they will cease to support the war policy being carried out in their name.

What's it going to take? American soldiers being deployed in Ukraine? Don't think it can't happen. Ukraine is running out of soldiers. And don't think it would be any kind of "coalition of the willing"; it would be Americans. European armies are small, and the results of a 2015 Gallup poll show many western Europeans wouldn't even be willing to fight for their own countries. You're going to convince them to fight for Ukraine? Do you honest to God think that any western European government could stay in office if a formally declared war broke out between NATO and Russia?

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How many Americans are aware that at the end of the Cold War, the US led the Russians to believe that NATO would not expand to the East? You can't blame the US for reneging on that stance to bring in the former Warsaw Pact countries, which are clearly part of Europe. The Russians didn't like it when NATO brought in the Baltic countries, but that wasn't a red line for Moscow. Ukraine was that red line. Russia could not accept NATO in Ukraine, and for overwhelmingly good reasons. It is strategically important to Russia in ways it is not and never can be for the US. And yet, in 2008, President George W. Bush declared that NATO would consider membership for Georgia -- a Caucasus nation! -- and, yes, Ukraine. Vladimir Putin is not a saint, but he's not a fool, either.

In 2014, the United States helped engineer the color revolution in Ukraine that ousted the pro-Russian elected president. Do you remember the intercepted 2014 conversation between then-US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and the US Ambassador to Ukraine, in which they discussed US manipulation of the Ukrainian government to get Washington's men in power? The one in which Nuland infamously said, "F**k the EU"? In this 2013 DC press conference, she talked about how she's "still jet-lagged" from her "third trip in five weeks" to Kiev. Washington was meddling in Ukrainian affairs for some time. President Obama denied it, but it was obviously true. It is important to note that Nuland, a neoconservative married to Robert Kagan, of the influential neocon Kagan family, has served as a top US diplomat in both Republican and Democratic administrations. You want the face of the Deep State? There it is.

It is easy to understand why Americans and Europeans resent Russia for its brutal Ukraine invasion. What's harder to understand is why we aren't trying to find a negotiated diplomatic settlement to the war's end, especially as neither side looks like it can achieve a fast victory, and Ukraine itself is being chewed to bits. The Russians will never let Crimea go, nor the Donbass region. It's insane for Kiev to think it can recover them -- but that's Kiev's policy, and the US is backing it. Are you aware, reader, that there is a major Russian naval base in Crimea? Russia's not going anywhere. Would you, if you were them?

I recently read a private analysis from a European investment house, concluding that "We are on the brink of World War III." The firm is advising its investors about the risk to their money from geopolitical events it deems possible or likely in the coming year. The report faults European governments for being the "vassals" of Washington, and following the US into a war that is deeply against broad European interests, economic and otherwise. It makes a credible case that Russia knows that it's in an "existential" war with the West (though Western publics seem utterly unaware of how deadly serious things have gotten), and that an invasion of Europe's eastern borders cannot be ruled out if NATO continues to escalate amid the expected spring 2023 Russian offensive. The hedge fund managers are preparing their investors for the real possibility of nuclear war, at least on European battlefields. This, they say, is how far the US is willing to go to maintain a world in which America is the top dog.

It's a frightening scenario, but not remotely far-fetched. And it's infuriating to consider that we are only twenty years beyond the Washington establishment having led the US and its NATO allies into the disastrous Iraq and Afghanistan Wars, for whom nobody was punished. Andy Bacevich reflected in 2021, in a TAC essay, on the role that Robert Kagan -- Mr. Victoria Nuland -- played in orchestrating the Iraq debacle. Excerpt:

Urging his countrymen to support the then-forthcoming U.S. invasion of Iraq, Robert Kagan insisted in 2002 that “No step would contribute more toward shaping a world order in which our people and our liberal civilization can survive and flourish.” Please note: not could possibly or might, but would. Kagan was certain.

In March 2003, George W. Bush took that step. Opinions may differ, but as far as I can tell, neither our people nor our liberal civilization have flourished in the nearly two decades since. Now, however, Kagan is backAnd he’s not giving an inch.

The latest issue of Foreign Affairs features a new rendering of what we have come to expect from Kagan. The title, “A Superpower, Like It or Not,” is less important than the straightforwardly didactic subtitle: “Why Americans Must Accept Their Global Role.” Not should or ought to, mind you, but must. “The only hope for preserving liberalism at home and abroad,” he insists, “is the maintenance of a world order conducive to liberalism, and the only power capable of upholding such an order is the United States.” There is no alternative. Of that, Kagan remains certain.

The piece consists primarily of a tendentious reading of history since the turn of the 20th century, designed to show that the American people are always on the verge of abandoning “their proper place and role in the world” and thereby allowing the forces of darkness to run wild.

Perhaps the most telling aspect of Kagan’s narrative relates to the Iraq war that he once promoted as essential to preserving liberal civilization. As it turns out, according to Kagan, the war in Iraq and its counterpart in Afghanistan rank as minor episodes of minimal relevance to his overall thesis. Indeed, he chides those who refer to “the relatively low-cost military involvements in Afghanistan and Iraq as ‘forever wars’.” In both instances, he writes, “Americans had one foot out the door the moment they entered, which hampered their ability to gain control of difficult situations.”

Kagan offers no figures on dollars expended, ordnance dropped, or casualties inflicted or absorbed to illustrate what he means by “relatively low cost.” Nor does he explain how having one foot out the door meshes with the fact that Afghanistan and Iraq rank as the two longest wars in U.S. history. Instead, he cites popular unhappiness with these two wars as “just the latest example of [the American people’s] intolerance for the messy and unending business of preserving a general peace and acting to forestall threats.”

In other words, the problem was not the Bush administration’s rashness in framing its response to 9/11 as an open-ended global war. Nor was it the non-existence of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction cited to justify the Iraq war, the incompetence of senior U.S. military leaders who flubbed the occupation of countries the United States invaded, or subsequent horrors such as Abu Ghraib that made a mockery of Bush’s Freedom Agenda. Rather, the problem was that the American people lacked Robert Kagan’s commitment to preserving peace and forestalling threats.

Kagan and his wife are key members of the bipartisan US national security class that are leading the United States into the Third World War. Where is the protest? Where are the lawmakers who have learned anything from Iraq? Where are the American people? And where, for pity's sake, are the newspapers and TV networks? Why are they content to allow Washington to do its thing, to trust American institutional leadership so soon after it proved itself to be incompetent?

Look, America is in a time now in which so many of our institutions have proven themselves to be untrustworthy. You know this. We all do. And yet -- and yet! -- the American people are sleepily accepting, without even a murmur of dissent, this same leadership class taking us all into what could very easily end up as a nuclear conflict. These are the same kind of people who censored the Covid story. And now they want us to trust them on war? Why do we do it? Is it because our mainstream media has framed the narrative such that ordinary people don't fully realize what's at stake? That Armageddon is closer than it has been since the Cuban missile crisis, because the US and its NATO lackeys insist on using Ukrainian proxies to fight a war against Russia on its own border -- and have ruled out diplomacy to stop the fighting before it spirals out of control?

Maybe it's because it is highly unlikely that actual bombing would happen on American soil. That is very much not the case here in Europe. And still, European publics still seem to be largely in the tank for the war. I was visiting a European capital late last year, listening to conservative friends talking about how they have been shut down in public debate, and abandoned privately by friends, simply for questioning the West's war strategy. Not for siding with Russia, mind you, but simply for saying that the West should reconsider before it's too late.

If you read historical accounts of the jingoistic atmosphere leading up to the hostilities of World War I, it feels terribly familiar. Nobody thought it would go on long. Nobody imagined four years of grinding slaughter, ending in the near-destruction of Western civilization. This was before nuclear weapons. Human nature has not changed, but the technology of warfare has. The stakes could not be higher. Our ruling class are fools, both in government and in the media. We have to stop this thing with Russia before it's too late.

UPDATE: "We have to fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here!" -- Republicans, 2002.

Republicans today (and Democrats too):

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Bogdán Emil
Bogdán Emil
I listened to old Donald Kagan's Yale lectures on ancient Greece on YouTube a couple times over the years, and also ordered his four volume treatment of the Peloponnesian War. The whole family loves war.

Look, we're screwed up people on this planet, it's been that way since Thucydides, when Athens and Sparta insistently ruined themselves for a few decades, so keep tolling the alarum bells, what else can we do?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64401190

"Ever since Ukraine declared independence 31 years ago, corruption has plagued its public services and most of all its politics.

In 2014, a popular revolution toppled the last Moscow-leaning government because people wanted to finally live under a democracy.

Ever since, Ukraine has attempted a series of reforms, notably driven by Russia's subsequent campaign of aggression towards the country. Change was seen as essential to securing the West's continued support."

Notice anything weird in there? An adult came up with that middle part. It's BBC. They're serious, and they're propagandists, but the good news is that blatant stupidity of this particularly malodorous variety is a losing position. Do you really think these people are going to write the final history of the Ukrainian War?

I've said it before, but it was on a whim, I don't really know, so it's just a rando guess, and it isn't even mine, it's unoriginal and trite:

Putin will drop one tactical nuke, and then the West will wake up, and negotiate. Otherwise, the best case scenario is that Ukraine is torn to shreds. Because that's how insane we're capable of being, and it has been proven over and over. We're gonna prove it again.
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    John Phillips
    John Phillips
    If the Kagans were actually in a war themselves, they wouldn't like it at all, even if they survived it.
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    Fran Macadam
    Fran Macadam
    When Ukraine loses the US will drop a nuke. And say Russia bombed its own self to create a false flag provocation. Not like the US ever dropped any nukes on civilians and lied about military installations. Or the successive senior military since over the decades who wanted to do it in Korea and Vietnam. Don't think there are not plans to wage nuclear war being made, right now. They are!

    I visited Los Alamos recently and if you think the trillions in structure there is only theoretical, you need to know that the trigger for MAD is meant to be irrevocable.
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    Fran Macadam
    Fran Macadam
    What democracy did the eastern Ukrainians get after the 2014 coup that overthrew the government they had voted for, and the US installed leaders outlawed their language?

    Zelensky really is a dictator. Political opposition illegal and members arrested or fleeing, all media nationalized and censored, churches raided and religious leaders ousted and arrested.
    People vote against this and the United States Deep Staters denounce the will of the people.
    It's not about democracy at all.
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      Zenos Alexandrovitch
      Zenos Alexandrovitch
      Still the Question remains why Rod is so willing to be delusional about his 'Russia Bad' stance. Literally all his reasons for disliking Russia are the reasons he holds up Hungary. Similarly he hates Trump, but asks for a man with the same traits and policies. Oh, also his father was apparently an evil terrorist racist, but also right about the black community. Does Rod not speak in complete contradictions all the time?
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        Bogdán Emil
        Bogdán Emil
        Unlike Russia, Hungary hasn't invaded a neighbor and killed tons of people. There are no opposition politicians and journalists and random protesters jailed, beaten, or murdered in Hungary.

        Trump lost a re-election he should have won. He lost it, in more ways than one.

        Rod's father had some racist ideas and he also helped lots of black people directly, hence, he was a complex personality, larger than life, apparently.
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          JON FRAZIER
          JON FRAZIER
          Trump being Trump should not have won, for the good of this nation and the world. But he could have won (incumbents usually do) had he not been an incompetent jackass.
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    JON FRAZIER
    JON FRAZIER
    If Putin uses any nukes Russia becomes a pariah nation. Without friends (other than a couple dependent sycophants).
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      Theodore Iacobuzio
      Theodore Iacobuzio
      It's a pariah now.
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    Jonesy
    Jonesy
    Sadly I’m skeptical. These people believe that they are living out a ‘west wing’ episode.
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John Phillips
John Phillips
Decades ago when I worked off and on with the US nuclear weapons complex, they sent me to a nuclear weapons orientation course. One of the sessions was about the effects of nukes on populations and structures. The nickname for the session was the "Shake and Bake" class. I think that portion of the class should be given to all politicians and as many civilians as possible. Its a real eye opener, and there is no reason to require a security clearance for that portion of the class.
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Peter Pratt
Peter Pratt
The bipartisan War Party doesn't think things through. They have never looked at the likely consequences of their horrible choices. They are like middle school children playing Risk.

The Kagans are the worst. They are war grifters, always pushing for conflict that isn't in America's interests. They write checks with their words that the rest of the world has to cash.
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Fran Macadam
Fran Macadam
You are wrong that a nuclear war in Europe won't see nuclear strikes here. The nuclear weapons in Europe are American nuclear weapons. The decisions to use them are made in Washington and they are built here. Moreover, the most effective launches are from nuclear submarines. When Russian targets are hit by American nukes, the response will be to hit targets in the country that launched them, because that could be the only possible retaliation that would be effective. America's elites care not a whit about sacrificing to the last Ukrainian as long as it harms Russia. They won't care about Euro targets either - "F--- the E.U." exclaimed Nuland as America as Ukraine was regime changed. So it's no deterrent to nuke only collateral vassals to be effective.

One more quibble, if Russia were to withdraw, what will happen to all the ethnic Russians who are Eastern Ukraine? Genocide, Zelensky promised for the population he calls traitors.
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Fran Macadam
Fran Macadam
In November 2021 the Biden side dismissed Russia's red line security concerns, basically saying it was for the United States to decide what those were. The no-brain wager was that the Russians were bluffing annothingcould risklessly call that bluff. The west had pushed all their buttons before, but they'd done nothing. So they could ignore them.

But then... and so it goes in the death escalation, with a zombie commander in chief who can make no studied decisions, just ratify ones written for him to read uncomprehendingly. Written by some Rasputin equivalent horse whisperers.
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Zenos Alexandrovitch
Zenos Alexandrovitch
"It is easy to understand why Americans and Europeans resent Russia for its brutal Ukraine invasion." Yeah, the word for that resentment is delusion.
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    Fran Macadam
    Fran Macadam
    So much propaganda. The first casualty of war being the truth...
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JON FRAZIER
JON FRAZIER
The Soviet Union had nuclear weapons in the Cold War too. Should we just have run up the white flag then?
Rod your alarmism have been proven false in this ear in one way already: Europe is not freezing in the dark and governments are not falling to irate mobs.
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    Bogdán Emil
    Bogdán Emil
    The exceedingly mild winter was unexpected.
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      JON FRAZIER
      JON FRAZIER
      True, but it's also the case that Europe prepared for the winter by topping up their natural gas stocks. This is my beef with so many predictions of doom (I am not just picking on Rod here) when they assume people don't see trouble coming when it's plain as day and therefore takes steps to prepare. The Y2K bug doom scenario was an almost absurd example of that.
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    Theodore Iacobuzio
    Theodore Iacobuzio
    "Should we just have run up the white flag then?"

    No, we should have told Zelinsky to. It's like Israel. They are our client, but they don't deliver client services.
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    Fran Macadam
    Fran Macadam
    One thing's for sure the Hamilton 68 panel will never falsely label you a Russian bot!
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A734
A734
Our leaders don't talk about WW III because it might dissuade them from their chosen path. We couldn't have that (sarc). Better to stay on course and see where it leads, they say. Besides, I hear they have a very good series of fallout shelters at Los Alamos. For our leaders, of course.
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Dean Cooper
Dean Cooper
So Ukraine runs out of troops, Russia takes advantage and begins to turn the war in their favor. Biden's military advisors inform him that the U.S. military has to step in, or Ukraine will fall. What would you do if you were president?

Clearly, Biden is in favor of continuing escalation. So what will bring this to an end?

To me, it's looking like our escalations will push Putin to finally use a nuke against us. Not in Europe. But to hit us directly. Someplace like New York City that will hurt us financially.

What then? Do you order a retaliatory attack? Knowing that will lead to full nuclear war? Such are the perils of the day we live in.

And yet because of the media, most Americans are completely oblivious to how close we (and the world) are to ruin. And then to consider why the media is like that. We are sinners and fools stumbling in the darkness about to go over the precipice. Will anyone open their eyes?
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    Fran Macadam
    Fran Macadam
    Some human beings have a death wish and there is a proportion of them who are in leadership positions.

    Death by cop, death by nukes. The only difference is scale.
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    JON FRAZIER
    JON FRAZIER
    The Russians would be idiots beyond even their historical penchant for folly if they nuked an American city. If you're going to use nukes (note the plural) against a foe who also has them, you first and foremost take out as many of his nukes as you can to try to avert retaliation. Google "Counterforce war" for sensible (though grim) military discussions of this. Of course this applies to nations-- not terrorists.
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Breck Henderson
Breck Henderson
You're wrong on this issue, Rod. We're not at war with Russia because we're not threatening an invasion or the destruction of Russia. And Russia knows this full well. We're simply helping Ukraine defend itself. I don't believe Putin will even consider using nuclear weapons because he knows that it will make him into the worst pariah on the world stage since Hitler -- and if we retaliate, it will make him the dead former president of Russia. Kagan is right, I believe, that we need to defend liberalism wherever it exists. Had we stayed out of WW II because of the belief that the U.S. was impregnable, and never embarked on the Manhattan Project, what would have happened? Germany probably would have triumphed in Europe, German scientists would likely have developed nuclear weapons and the missiles to deliver them -- and then where is our impregnability? Today, you don't trust anything written in the mainstream media -- and you shouldn't. But why do you trust what they said about Vietnam or Iraq or Afghanistan? Abu Ghraib was nothing -- it was not the slightest bit important to the war effort. All it did was sully our image as a moral force in Iraq. We failed in Iraq basically because we assumed we could sell Iraqis on liberalism -- but their culture is incapable of liberalism, so we were destined to fail. Ditto in Afghanistan.
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