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No To Trump 2024

It's time to Make The GOP Serious Again
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So Trump's running in 2024. On the day he announced, Trump favorite Kari Lake lost the Arizona governor's race. I hate that. Was there voter fraud? Maybe. But we cannot waste time griping about the possibility of voter fraud in such a close race. The fact is, Kari Lake will not be the governor of Arizona. The fact is, the Democrats are going to control the Senate, which, with a Democrat in the White House, means they can do a hell of a lot of damage (to the federal courts, for example). Would the Republicans have done better were it not for Trump's influence, and his flawed favored candidates? Undoubtedly. To be clear, it's not only Trump's fault! The national Republicans had no message. They seemed to believe -- hell, I believed -- that they would win simply by not being Biden.

Well, we see how that went.

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Anyway, look, I don't want to fight about shoulda woulda coulda, except insofar as we have to sort this out so the people on the Right can get our collective act together and win elections, and change things for the better. I'm sick and tired of the Never Trumpers, who are a dead end for conservatism. Trump arose because people were sick of the GOP establishment. But I am also sick and tired of the Trump diehards who care more about indulging their obsession with Trump, and rolling in the psychodrama like swine in slop, than they do about winning actual elections and making changes in the world.

In a time of record inflation, of Democrats pushing racism and racial division, and pushing gender ideology all over, and of high crime -- it is a scandal that the GOP performed as badly as it did in the midterms. Aren't you fed up with the pointless drama, while the Left goes from strength to strength? It infuriated me to learn that grifter Trump sat on a pile of donated money and did not use the funds to help push Republican candidates over the line to victory -- and not just that, but used these candidates (Blake Masters, Herschel Walker) to raise more money quietly for himself:

We are going to keep losing if we don't put Trump behind us. I'm so alarmed by what the Democrats stand for that I'll vote for Trump in 2024 if he's the GOP nominee. But I'm not going to be happy about it, and I believe that Trump is the only likely GOP nominee that Joe Biden can beat. MAGA folks are often so deep inside the bubble that, like left-wing activists, they can't grasp how any of this looks like to people outside the "church". Michael Brendan Dougherty is correct here:

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There's a reason why Ron DeSantis is worthy of the kind of support he's getting in the post-midterm period: he has some of Trump's audacity, without Trump's baggage -- which also means he knows how to govern. Substance over style. Here's some useful information:

On the other hand, from Politico:

A new POLITICO/Morning Consult poll shows that 47 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents say they would back Trump if the Republican presidential primary were held today. By comparison, 33 percent said they would back Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis. No other prospective candidate received above 5 percent in the poll, save former Vice President Mike Pence, who stood exactly at that figure.

But if the poll shows the clear path forward for Trump as he readies his third White House run since 2016, it also exhibits the peril ahead. Among all voters surveyed, 65 percent said Trump should probably or definitely not run again (with 53 percent in the definite camp). And while Trump’s standing has not dropped significantly since pre-election (he stood at 48 percent in the most recent Morning Consult poll), DeSantis’ star has risen. The Florida governor was at 26 percent in that last poll.

Marc Thiessen, a Trump supporter, pleads with him not to run again:

Based on his record in office, Trump should be considered one of the greatest conservative presidents in modern times. The Abraham Accords are worthy of a Nobel Prize. Operation Warp Speed is the greatest public health achievement in human history. Trump made the United States an energy superpower and drove the Islamic State from its caliphate. He has a perfect record in appointing judicial conservatives to the Supreme Court. I have chronicled his accomplishments in these pages. I’m not a never-Trumper.

But another presidential run will obliterate what’s left of that legacy. After the 2020 election, I wrote that he should pursue his legal challenges but that if the courts rejected them (which they did), he should graciously concede, focus on saving the Senate majority in Georgia’s runoff, preside over a smooth transition, attend Joe Biden’s inauguration and prepare to reclaim the presidency in four years. Instead, he embraced election denial and surrounded himself with a clown show of legal advisers who convinced him he could hold onto office.

Trump’s failure to accept the election results meant he never understood why he lost: Instead of expanding his coalition by winning over Americans who had not voted for him the first time, he alienated millions who approved of his policies but not of him. In September 2020, a record 56 percent of registered voters told Gallup that they were better off under Trump than they had been four years earlier — a remarkable share amid the worst pandemic since 1918, the worst racial unrest since the 1960s and the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. But 56 percent of Americans didn’t vote for Trump; if they had, he would still be president. And his conduct after the election only served to confirm their judgment.

Last Tuesday, voters made clear that their judgment still stands. Despite the disasters President Biden has unleashed, they rejected Trump’s handpicked candidates — his proxies on the ballot — and gave Democrats back their Senate majority. That should be a wake-up call for Trump. He cannot win the presidency with his base alone.

The problem with the Republican Party is twofold: 1) Trump, and 2) visionless leadership at the top. If DeSantis wins the GOP nomination, we are likely to see a Republican landslide turning Biden out of office. If Trump wins the GOP nomination, then we are likely to see a Biden victory and more Democratic control of Washington, even as the party radicalizes further. Trump did good for the GOP and the country in his time, but he's a proven loser at this point. As pleasurable as it often is to observe lib tears flow in response to his antics, the country can no longer afford carnival-barker leadership from the Right. It's time to make the Republicans serious again.

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JON FRAZIER
JON FRAZIER
Re: Was there voter fraud? Maybe.

There is always some vote fraud in any and every election. The question is whether it is of a scale significant enough to alter the result. And the answer is simply No, it's orders of magnitude too small.

Re: If DeSantis wins the GOP nomination, we are likely to see a Republican landslide turning Biden out of office.

Nope. DeSantis would probably win, but it will be as narrow a victory as all our recent elections have been. We are a closely divided country-- this midterm shows that as well. And I can see nothing that will change that. There is no "silent majority" out there waiting for the right candidate. And neither party's ideology makes a lot of sense in a way that could convince droves of voters to change how they vote.
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    Martin Terrell
    Martin Terrell
    That's a bit defeatist. A confident and dynamic Republican Party should be aiming to win beyond the margin of error - as De Santis did in Florida.
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      JON FRAZIER
      JON FRAZIER
      Florida is not the United States as a whole*. And I am not being defeatist: I do believe DeSantis would be the odds on favorite to win against Biden, although "predictions are hard, especially about the future" so for anything not involving physical constants of nature I usually stick a "probably" in my statements even when I think they're pretty solid.

      * I just looked it up: Biden won his state of Delaware by a margin of 19% over Trump in 2020, but Delaware is also not a mirror of the US as a whole so the overall margin of victory over Trump was much, much smaller. Hence also I don't see DeSantis enjoying any landslides either nationally.
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    Eusebius Pamphilus
    Eusebius Pamphilus
    They were turning republican districts away at the polls Jon. If they did that in a black neighborhood the progressives would be painting the streets red with blood and burning down churches, again.
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      JON FRAZIER
      JON FRAZIER
      Huh? That makes zero sense. How do you turn a "district" away? That would literally mean no one in a given geographical area voted at all-- which would stand out in the stats like a supernova.
      Or did you mean some individual voters were turned away? The latter happens due to voter incomprehension of where they are supposed to vote and whether they are duly registered at all. And the stricter you make the rules the more it will happen. In the past it's been Democrats who were more likely to make a fuss about this.
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    Peter Kurilecz
    Peter Kurilecz
    I would suggest that you pick up a copy of Mollie Hemingway's book Rigged. In it she documents how the Democrats rigged/manipulated the election process in various states. At the same time she shows how the Republican party was fighting with one hand tied behind their back as they were subject to a consent decree that prevented them from litigating Democraticn actions. This consent decree was in place for 40 years and was only dismissed within the last 2 years as new judge ended as the previous jusge had died. Now attorneys like Harmeet Dillon (sp?) are filing lawsuits in various states against Democratic actions and are winning. Republicans are now able to fight back against Democratic attorneys like Marc Elias
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Chris Karr
Chris Karr
If you don't want Trump in 2024, quit playing footsie with the voter fraud crowd. If you think that there WAS fraud, you'd do yourself a great service returning from your self-imposed "exile", and getting your hands dirty working as an election judge where you think there is fraud. (I assume if you're well off enough to relocate to Europe, you're in decent shape to relocate wherever you think fraud might be happening, to work on the problem.)

A large part of why the GOP did poorly last week was all the election fraud crap. If you want the GOP to do better, let voters know that they won't have to question whether you'll do the right thing when you lose an election. Pass this along to your pal JD Vance, who understood this back in 2016.
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Henry Clemens
Henry Clemens
But if DeSantis is nominated, and Trump runs as an independent? Which, given his narcissism, is not unlikely, then the Democrats win. I shan't challenge Marc Theissen's list of "accomplishments" here, but, for Heaven's sake, look at the man's leadership. Read some of the White House memoires WRITTEN BY PEOPLE HE APPOINTED -- the unprecedented level of disfunction and chaos. Serious countries do not put people like that in charge -- certainly not a second time.

The polls before the midterms often listed issues of public concern: crime, inflation, abortion, the border, woke rules being imposed. Almost never any mention of international affairs. But the world greatly needs effective leaders, not someone who disdains alliances, insults allies, is seen as incompetent beyond any normal range. The Economist recently stated that the world is faced with three crises: Russia/Ukraine, China/Taiwan, and the US political system, and nobody has an easy solution for any of them. If a solution is to be found to the last (and arguably the first two), Trump is not part of the answer.
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    Zenos Alexandrovitch
    Zenos Alexandrovitch
    Russia/Ukraine is only a crises because NATo sodomites want it to be.
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Zenos Alexandrovitch
Zenos Alexandrovitch
Bush wasn't serious - he was a former cheerleader who kept kissing a male prostitute at his press meetings. McCain was a diehard neocon blowhard - not a serious candidate. Romney "Mittens" was never a serious candidate - a complete liberal loon.

Trump fit the only archetype that could bring change to a stagnant and failed politic. Any candidate similarly capable will be rejected by you, Rod, because such a person cannot be of the status quo that you love more than potential.
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    JON FRAZIER
    JON FRAZIER
    OK, ignoring the baseless slander about Bush (whichever one you mean) I'll bite on this: What's your problem with DeSantis? Rod's made a good case for the guy over Trump and one I mainly agree with.
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Dean Cooper
Dean Cooper
Republicans out polled Democrats in all congressional races by around 5 million votes, so you have to ask yourself why did they end up performing so poorly? I mean Trump wasn't even on the ballot. If you can't answer this question, we're doomed to lose again. For me, it comes down to vote harvesting. The Democrats have figured out how to take massive advantage of early voting and especially mail-in voting. The key is the people who normally don't bother to vote, who don't really care that much. How do you get them to vote anyway? You make it easier than ever for them to vote, and then you target them. That takes time and money, but it also takes sophisticated targeted advertising -- just the thing that the tech experts at Google know how to do -- and who happen to be overwhelmingly Left-leaning.

Sure, Republicans are incompetent in a number of areas, but they are clueless when it comes to vote harvesting. They need to either put an end to it, or join the Democrats and play their game. At their level. I'm pessimistic we're capable of doing either of those though. But we have God on our side. So all hope is not lost.
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