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Zelensky Takes Washington

I wish the US had leaders that cared about our country's interests as much as Zelensky cares about his
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I have a bad feeling about all this.

Look, it's very hard not to admire the hell out of Volodymyr Zelensky. The Russians, one of the three Great Powers of the world, should have been able to overrun Ukraine quickly. They most certainly have not, and that is mostly due to the leadership of Zelensky. You can say that it's mostly due to the weapons sent by the US and other Western nations, and you would be right. But without the heroic figure of Zelensky as a symbol of Ukrainian resistance, would America have sent so much? Or would Ukraine have been able to sustain its fight for so long? I doubt it. Credit where credit is due. The man is a national hero to his people.

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And yet.

Zelensky said in his speech that "it's just a matter of time" before Russia strikes other American allies if we don't stop them now. He also said earlier that nobody in the world is safe from Russian aggression. This is just wrong, and manipulative. It sounds like the whole "if we don't fight them there, we will have to fight them here" line that the Bush Administration used to justify the unjust and foolish Iraq war. I don't blame him for using this language -- he is a man fighting for his country's survival against unjust Russian aggression -- but it's still manipulative. The interests of President Zelensky and his country are not the same as America's interests.

Zelensky calls for "absolute victory," which for Ukrainians means (he has said) total recapture of the Russian-occupied lands of eastern Ukraine, and the Crimean peninsula, which Russia annexed earlier. This is impossible. Do you understand that? It is not possible. If that is the standard for "absolute victory," then the war will grind on.

If you watched the Zelensky speech -- and I hope you did -- you should also watch this important Freddy Sayers interview with Prof. John Mearsheimer, the foreign-policy realist. I'm going to embed it here. It will sound positively grinchy after Zelensky's speech, but it's absolutely vital to understanding how this conflict started, and how it's likely to continue:

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Mearsheimer explains patiently the role that Washington played in setting the stage for this war. He also explains, at around the 19:40 point, how we are now locked in a hopeless situation ("We're screwed," he says), because at this point, neither Russia nor the United States can sustain a loss. And, emphasizes Mearsheimer, we had better grasp that we are perilously close to nuclear weapons being used on the battlefield. He doesn't think it likely, not at this point, but he does believe there is a non-trivial chance that Russia will deploy battlefield nukes if it's situation there becomes grave enough. Mearsheimer tells Gray that even if the chance is something like five percent, that's still too great a risk when dealing with weapons as apocalyptic as nuclear bombs. He's right.

What we ought to be doing is working towards some sort of peace. Neither Russia nor Ukraine will be satisfied with any conceivable settlement. As I see it, if Ukraine would give up its claims to its eastern territories and to Crimea (where the Russian Black Sea fleet is docked), in exchange for solid security guarantees, short of joining NATO, and if the US would give up its insistence that Ukraine join NATO, then we might conceivably have peace. Mearsheimer says it's ridiculous to think that Russia poses an invasion threat to western Europe; it can't even conquer Ukraine! He also says it is absurd for the United States, whose "Monroe Doctrine" requires it to oppose any Great Powers establishing themselves in the Americas, to also believe that Russia has no legitimate interest in preventing Ukraine from joining NATO. He's right about that. This does not mean that Ukraine should become a puppet state of Moscow, but it does mean that it is folly to think that Russia can stand by while Ukraine allies with its enemy.

Yesterday I had coffee with a Hungarian friend. He was reflecting on the suffering that the war has caused in his country. Of course it's nothing compared to what the Ukrainian people are going through ... but it's not nothing. People here in Hungary are enduring very difficult economic circumstances, and are facing a cold winter, unable to afford sky-high utility bills. I was talking yesterday with my TAC podcast partner Kale Zelden, who told me that as he sees it, the American people have little to no idea how hard this war has been on European peoples. If Americans were having to live through what Hungarians (and others) are living through right now, would they be so willing to keep the money pipeline open to Kyiv, with no diplomatic efforts to end the war underway? I doubt it very much. It's easy to put the Ukrainian flag on your front porch, to say, "Slava Ukraini," and the rest, when you don't feel the cost of continuing this war.

Look at this:

The most important challenge facing the United States, according to the leader of Senate Republicans, is shoveling more money to Ukraine?!? Not the massive crisis on America's southern border, which Washington has demonstrated no interest in solving. Not the drug abuse crisis (fentanyl) that is killing so many Americans. Not growing wealth inequality and related structural economic issues, which means that young people today are going to live materially worse lives than their parents. Not China, America's real geopolitical rival. Not rising crime. Not the dividing of Americans (by elites) according to race and racial privilege, and the systematic discrimination against Americans on the basis of race. Not the ongoing campaign -- driven in large part by woke capitalism and its allies in the professions, and in academia -- to queer America's children.

(On that front, just this morning, a European friend texted with the information that his close friend from high school moved to California some years ago, and let my friend know this morning that his (the immigrant to California) daughter now wants to be a boy. My Euro pal shared with me a couple more examples of American friends of his who have been caught by the woke gender virus. One has had surgery and is on hormones, and will be dependent on pharmaceuticals for the rest of her life. Another is now on the same path. Said my friend, "If that were me, I would leave the US and move to a place where this madness is labeled what it is: madness.")

All these things are happening in America, to Americans, but none of that matters to the Republican leadership as much as Ukraine. Let history show that while their own country fell apart, Republican leadership was more interested in this proxy war with Russia -- which, surprise!, ends up enriching defense contractors.

This is a good thread. Excerpts:

We the People will keep allowing our leaders to behave like this. We have pot, we have porn, most of our kids don't have to pay the price for the Empire's wars.

What happens when the money runs out, though? And: what do you call an Empire that is governed by a class of people who think like Mitch McConnell, who prioritized Empire more than Nation? Our national leaders won't even secure our own southern border, because they care more about restoring and securing Ukraine's borders against Russian invaders. Washington's interests are not the interests of the American people, in my view. This cannot last forever, but as Adam Smith memorably observed, "There's a lot of ruin in a nation" -- meaning that a nation can sustain a great deal of destruction before collapsing. We're well on our way. None of this diminishes the courage and canny of President Zelensky, but it does challenge what faith one has in the ruling class of the United States.

Mearsheimer has it right: "We're screwed."

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Bogdán Emil
Bogdán Emil
We live in interesting times, that's all. As soon as the Russians drop a tactical nuke on Ukraine, everybody will sober up and start negotiating realistically. Unfortunately, we're stupid enough as a species to invite such an occurrence. Hell, we'll even dare the Russians to do it. Everybody's talking about it, it's almost like there's an air of inevitability developing. Literal fallout is coming. Calmness is called for, meanwhile Zelensky's anger was palpable at times, which is not a good sign. Yes, he's heroic. He also said the Russians are poisoned by the Kremlin, but in my opinion, the Russians are not exactly poisoned, they are like everyone else, wayward at times as a nation, but proud of their country, and desirous of its success. Which they get to define in rational terms we can understand. They have told us, and we should read the signs. The importance of honor and prestige cannot be ignored in life, and it's just as salient in the international arena as anywhere else. Most wars start with an honor code violation.

For some slight perspective, this is the nation that started the Marxist-Leninist revolution, and who suffered the longest under that bad idea. Expecting them to suddenly become what they cannot is plainly unfair. Should they become perfect democrats and capitalists like the Dutch, and do it in a mere generation? No, they need time to recover, even more time than the Eastern-Central Europeans.
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JON FRAZIER
JON FRAZIER
Re: If Americans were having to live through what Hungarians (and others) are living through right now

Have you paid attention to stuff in the US right now? Gasoline price have fallen quite a bit (I paid $2.99 at the pump yesterday)-- but a trip to the grocery store is a budget-busting experience compared to just a year ago. Housing, especially rentals, continues to sky rocket. And even though healthcare inflation has slowed, our prices-- and out of pocket costs-- are stratospheric compared to just about anywhere else in the world.
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    Bogdán Emil
    Bogdán Emil
    I just heard on Hungarian TV that food costs take up 25% of the average Hungarian household budget.

    One quarter of Hungarian income goes to groceries. Meanwhile, we're in the lap of luxury in the US, relatively speaking. People tend to leave Hungary, presently. It's not an easy life there, and everything they have is much more delicate, and precarious, easily unbalanced by external shocks.
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      JON FRAZIER
      JON FRAZIER
      The difficulties of life in the former Warsaw Pact countries is not a new thing and people have emigrated from them in droves since the Berlin Wall came down. The Polish Plumber was practically a stereotype in the UK. And yes, those of us in North America (at least north of the Rio Grade) have it easy in many ways-- but not in everything. The three Big Ticket items in life-- Housing, Healthcare and Education-- are pretty exorbitant in the US.
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    Fran Macadam
    Fran Macadam
    We're paying $4 for gas and $5 for diesel in Oregon. A month ago traveling along I80 in western states gasoline was as high as $6.89 at a crossroads. I have kept receipts from 2020 where we paid $1.64 for diesel fuel.
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      JON FRAZIER
      JON FRAZIER
      At the height of the Pandemic gasoline prices collapsed due to the fact people were staying home-- worldwide. (We got down to 1.79) That's like citing the temperatures in a heat wave in July and complaining that it isn't that hot year round. Hereabouts gas prices have dripped below $3.00. A month ago I drive down to Florida and was amazed to see them that low on I-95 in Georgia south of Savannah, but now they're like that in quite a few places in this area. Not sure why yours are so high-- do you have sky-high state taxes. I seem to remember gas prices being a good deal elevated in Oregon when I visited (Portland and Crater Lake) in the fall of 2019.
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        georgeinbandon,oregon
        georgeinbandon,oregon
        FWIW, gas prices are even higher in California. yes, all the "far west" states apparently have higher gas taxes than the rest of the country but think part of the price problem may be due to the fact that we do not get fuel from the same places that the Midwest and East do---most comes from Alaska or California and apparently there's almost always going wrong with one or more of the refineries in the Golden State.
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Frans
Frans
That UnHerd video is one of the most sensible and useful interviews about Ukraine I’ve watched, thanks for posting it.
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    Frans
    Frans
    It seems somewhat iconic to hear Zelensky talk in his speech to congress about brightening up a dark Christmas with the “light of our faith in ourselves.” I can’t help but draw a connection between the very real resilience, sacrifices and bravery of the Ukranian people with such an obvious lack of appreciation about what Christmas is really about and the real promises it holds on the one hand and the very real resilience, sacrifices and bravery of the Ukrainian people with a very widespread lack of appreciation about what the war is really about, and what its causes and potential consequences really amount to on the other.
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      Bogdán Emil
      Bogdán Emil
      I noticed that as well, and it was jarring, but the man is Jewish, after all.
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Fran Macadam
Fran Macadam
It should be pointed out that the $5 billion support for the 2014 coup that overthrew the legitimately elected Ukrainian compromise government - the Party of All Regions - created a civil war, because the government installed by the United States officials ordered the language and institutions of the eastern part of Ukraine, which is ethnically and culturally Russian, illegal. That provoked a civil war when that population refused, resulting in the loss of 14,000 lives in that area as the western government tried to impose its will by military force. The Minsk agreements by Ukraine, the United States, Germany, France and Russia were supposed to restore the eastern Ukraine's former rights to end the bloodshed, but were never implemented. Former German Chancellor Merkel has now revealed that the western governments never intended to implement the agreement, but use it as a subterfuge to prepare for war.

You could say Zelensky is fighting for his people, but that cohort is not identical with the entire population within the former Ukraine borders. He has also been fighting against the people of eastern Ukraine who do not recognize those who abolished their representation in the current regime.

I happen to know from personal involvement what informs U.S. policy since at least 1993, which is known as Total Spectrum Dominance. The neocons ascendant took the lesson from the Cold War that never again must any power emerge that could pose an existential threat to U.S. power as the Soviet Union did. Towards fulfillment of that aim requires hegemony over the entire globe generally, and in particular the "decolonization" of Russia by breaking it up into small satrapies ruled by U.S. proxies after regime change.

So don't wonder why the non-populist portion of the Republican Party shares imperial Washington's sentiment that a final solution of the Russia problem requires all attention and resources to this goal. Yes, cynical military industrial war profiteering contributes to enabling deep state objectives and influence that are contrary to ordinary Americans' interests.
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Michael Cole
Michael Cole
Some numbers to put our aid to Ukraine in perspective:

According to the Council of Foreign Relations (reputed to be a reliable source), between Jan 24 and Nov 30 the US has given Ukraine 48 billion dollars. This consists of

Military aid: 22.9 billion. This accounts for 6.6% of the US military budget for 2022.
Humanitarian aid: 9.9 billion.
Financial aid: 15.1 billion.

If we take the total 48 billion and divide by the US population, then each of us, as one of 330 million Americans, has given Ukraine 145.45 dollars. Dividing by 300 (the number of days since Russia invaded), we find that each of us has been giving Ukraine 48.5 cents a day.

While the US is the biggest contributor to Ukraine in absolute terms, by share of GDP eight countries have given more to Ukraine. In order they are Estonia, Latvia, Poland, Lithuania, Norway, United Kingdom, Czech Republic, and Canada. US is next. After that in descending order Slovakia, Denmark, Sweden, Portugal, Germany, Austria, Slovenia, Finland, Luxemborg, Greece, Netherlands. The above countries are the 20 top contributors to Ukraine in terms of share of GDP. France and Spain haven't given enough to make the top 20. Germany has given about half as much as the US (again measuring by share of GDP).
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Zenos Alexandrovitch
Zenos Alexandrovitch
Zelensky doesn't care about his. The deaths of people in Ukraine are just a way to line the pockets of his cronies and himself.
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    Michael Cole
    Michael Cole
    If only Zelenskey had the same tender solicitude that Putin feels towards his own people. \s
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Zenos Alexandrovitch
Zenos Alexandrovitch
Also, again, Russia hasn't changed it's nuclear strategy, but America did shortly into the war. America wants nuclear war and will probably seek a reason to strike first - just as the pentagon tried in the Cuba Missile Crisis and JFK had to go through unofficial diplomatic channels to subvert the pentagon to stop nuclear war.
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    Michael Cole
    Michael Cole
    It is absurd to say that America or the West "wants a nuclear war". Why would they given the extraordinary disproportion between NATO and Russia for conventional warfare?

    Putin's war in Ukraine, (excuse me, "special military operation") has exhibited to the world the extraordinary, laughable corruption and incompetence of the Russian military and the inferiority of their weapons and military hardware. To me the most inexplicable aspect of Russia's humiliating failures in Ukraine is the inability of the Russian Air Force to easily take control of Ukrainian airspace. That should have been impossible. On paper, Russia air power is mighty indeed. In reality, it is pathetic.

    Just imagine the slaughter that would happen to Russian forces if, God forbid, NATO got directly involved with the full force of NATO air power. It would be like the infamous "turkey shoot" towards the end of the first Gulf War.

    Слава Украине а мир России.
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      Bogdán Emil
      Bogdán Emil
      "It is absurd to say that America or the West "wants a nuclear war"

      No, it isn't, because nuclear war is what you appear to want: to defeat Russia, or at the very least, push Russia into a corner, but either way, they need to be a taught a lesson. We need to humble them, even humiliate them, degrade and denigrate them until they simply have enough and finally give in. Contempt and hostility radiate from your words, and with alarming casualness, for is war a human tragedy we should try to avoid, or is it a turkey shoot? Either way, to make you happy, Russians have to say: "You were right, America! And we were wrong. Thanks a lot, USA!"

      That's not going to happen unless we defeat them the same way Germany and Japan were defeated. Total victory for one side, their willpower has to be leveled, otherwise, nobody can be bullied into changing their hearts. So, that means we want war with Russia, because we want them to radically change their behavior, and we're not giving in. NATO expansion is still on the table and to hell with Russia's delicate feelings. Don't you agree? Meanwhile, Russia is nuclear-armed and threatens deploying nukes regularly, and Russia doesn't like to be insulted, defeated, cornered and humiliated by rivals in the international arena, so it's fair to conclude that you and others like you, who want Russia prostrated and humbled, want nuclear war with Russia.

      Don't worry, I can relate, I too know the self-righteous blood-lust, the desire to bend an enemy low and have him kiss the dirt.
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      Fran Macadam
      Fran Macadam
      Do you really mean that Ukraine still has warplanes in the air?

      And that any day now the U.S. will establish a no-fly zone shooting down Russian aircraft?

      And that our first strike nuclear policy, clearly enunciated just weeks ago, did not occur?
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Fran Macadam
Fran Macadam
The empire is so much larger than its homeland, that its interests dwarf those of mere Americans whose lives are not of any priority to those in the imperial city.
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    Bogdán Emil
    Bogdán Emil
    This is true, but balance of power is still a reality. The constantly roiling internal reforms America requires don't absolve it of international responsibilities. We are a regional hegemon, but our hegemony only dominates the periphery. Via the Monroe Doctrine, we command the Western Hemisphere. Should we retreat from that, and allow a great power to set up potentially hostile military alliances in our neighborhood?

    A further corollary of realism demands that we not allow the emergence of another regional hegemon, anywhere, but especially not someone who could dominate the Eurasian landmass, which is decidedly non-peripheral.
    It is considered a pretty basic vital interest to keep this crucial area divided.

    It matters to Americans whether a power emerges that could surpass us, and it matters to everyone that no one becomes a _global_ hegemon. To my mind, the only realistic candidates for that role are Russia and China, for they are located in the core region, Eurasia, the World-Island. Mearsheimer doesn't say that we shouldn't try to influence the shifting global power dynamic. He says we have our gunsights misplaced. Russia is no threat, but China certainly is.

    On realist terms, there's nothing about China that has to be explicitly threatening, their sheer size and power potential is enough. Russia could also be a threat, just by existing, if presently they weren't so weak compared to us.
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Siluan
Siluan
The idea that Ukraine liberating all its original territory isn't possible is a bad analysis, in my opinion. Firstly, it's a largely overlooked fact that Russian morale is completely in the toilet, and Russian military logistics have proven to be nightmarishly bad. And of course, it's morale and logistics that win wars - not numbers. An excellent case study can be made comparing the current war with the USSR's Winter War of 1939-40, in which they were badly defeated by Finland despite superior forces. Second, historically speaking trading land for peace has never really worked. All it inevitably does is encourage further aggression. All the modern-day Neville Chamberlains need to more carefully examine history. Which brings me to the contention that somehow Russia did not represent a threat to the West. This is one area where I really wish our media would make it easier on Americans to view Russian media. The official (read State-controlled) Russia media have never made any bones about the fact that their war is ultimately against NATO. Putin's goals have always included re-constituting the USSR if not the greater Warsaw Pact, which considering the Baltic states and Poland are now part of NATO already made conflict inevitable. The truth is that probably the only reason America's sons and daughters aren't already fighting in Europe is because Ukraine has proven far more capable than anyone predicted.

Another point worth bringing up is that Ukraine joining NATO has never really been on the table. In order to join NATO, the existing members would have to vote unanimously to allow them, and that's just not going to happen - not with Hungary and Turkey both effectively holding veto power. Consider that not only has Ukraine already applied for membership once and been rebuffed, but currently even Sweden and Finland are not being accepted.

If you really want some good analysis of the current situation by someone who really understands Russia (and virtually no one in the US does! ), look up some of the talks by Peter Zeihan on Russia.
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