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‘Goida!’ Russia’s ‘Holy War’

The Bear is wounded and humiliated. It is past time for peace initiatives
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Well, this sounds not at all Mordor-like:

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And then there was Putin's speech there, which Kisin translates here. Basically, this is no longer about Ukraine for Putin; this is about war on the West.

Meanwhile, Ukraine has applied for NATO membership, which makes sense from a Kyiv perspective, but would be completely insane from the point of view of Western interests (thank goodness the Biden White House nixed it). Elbridge Colby gets it right in this thread, saying that there is no strategic benefit to the West in increasing the likelihood of NUCLEAR WAR WITH RUSSIA.

We need to be pushing for peace now. Who can do that? Which nation's diplomats? Listen to that "holy war" speech, and imagine what the Russian state is preparing its people for. This is not a video game. Per Colby, this is political theater that could lead us into the abyss.

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Giuseppe Scalas
Giuseppe Scalas
At this point, everyone needs to keep one's cool. We need to let the Ukrainians fight their war until its strain brings change in Russia. This already happened once, when losing WWI brought about the October revolution.
Heated rhethoric on our side won't help. It's important, however, to signal to Russia that the use of nuclear weapons is not going to be acceptable.
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Giuseppe Scalas
Giuseppe Scalas
According to Spengler, around 2200 AD our nephews will witness the rise of the Slavs as a new ruling civilization in the West. I wonder if this has to happen through the nuclear annihilation of Western Europe.
The Ukraininas are emerging as a remarkably warlike people. Will they be standard bearers of the Slavs, and not the Russians?
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    Zenos Alexandrovitch
    Zenos Alexandrovitch
    No. Spengler makes clear in a lecture Q&A that his belief in specifically Russian ascension is due to their living tradition (Eastern Orthodoxy), which Ukraine doesn't qualify as considering that their state-sponsored schismatic church doesn't even have valid ordinations for as much as a third of their clergy - as well, as the sacrifice of their traditional values to cuck to the west.

    And of course, this 'warlike' people had nearly 200,000 casualities months ago and wasted thousands of lives on mostly symbolic advances recently. Western fools who don't know anything about war see this and attribute their self-proclaimed idiotic issues about the war from it.
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      Giuseppe Scalas
      Giuseppe Scalas
      I think that Spengler's theory is broadly correct, as his predictions have been so far broadly validated. But his predictions are necessarily painted with a broad brush. You are denying the Ukrainians' religious feeling, but schism is actually a sign of a deep religious passion. Many of the Goths were Aryan, and nonetheless they conquered.
      You also minimize the warlike-ness of Ukrainians: but they have shown they aren't afraid to die in battle, and this, according to Spengler, is one of the key signs of a rising civilization.
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        JON FRAZIER
        JON FRAZIER
        Meanwhile the nation that has been gallivanting around the globe making wars and near-wars with abandon in the United States.
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    JON FRAZIER
    JON FRAZIER
    A "nuclear annihilation of Western Europe" would have catastrophic consequences for eastern Europe, in multiple ways. The old Time of Troubles and the Deluge would look like teapot tempests next to what would ensue. Australia and New Zealand might emerge from such a catastrophe still intact and as the dominant powers, but the northern hemisphere would be a vast ruin.
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rksyrus
rksyrus
Here's a question: if one elides the demagoguery (a necessary garnish for the annexation banquet) what, in Putin's speech is NOT true?

Russia, China, Brazil, India, and Muslim majority countries view America, the Anglosphere, and Europe as Satanic parasitic shells of their formerly glorious incarnations that currently marinate in a bath of wokeness, self-loathing, and increasingly tranny grooming and outright pedophilia.

Eight-five percent of the world's population live in countries which do NOT recognize sanctions against Russia. Putin successfully annexed 20% of Ukraine (90% of the country's industrial base). There is no realistic scenario under which those regions ever return to Kiev.

What do the corrupt perverts in Washington and Davos have to offer which any conservative and moral person would find more appealing than Putin's request Russia be respected as a Great Power and his vision of a multipolar world order?
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    Zenos Alexandrovitch
    Zenos Alexandrovitch
    Remember, "
    Russia, China, Brazil, India, and Muslim majority countries view America, the Anglosphere, and Europe as Satanic parasitic shells of their formerly glorious incarnations that currently marinate in a bath of wokeness, self-loathing, and increasingly tranny grooming and outright pedophilia." will get you banned on the AmCon Diaspora Discord.

    The moderator finds that sentence offensive to her family and banned me for making that exact point.
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      Bogdán Emil
      Bogdán Emil
      The moderator there is an absurd busybody who bans a lot of people. I got banned without any sensible reason and without warning, so I have cause be sore, too. But don't worry about it, because they're obviously too cheap to debate here, which makes exactly zero sense, by the way.

      Dear longtime reader currently missing from the TAC debate: you really can't spend $5 a month? Okay. I didn't know things were that bad.

      Dude, let them have their mis-shapen "diaspora," absent the author of the blog posts, of course, and let them be ruled by an illiberal liberal progressive fundamentalist, or whatever she is.

      Yeah, you know who you are!
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        Peter Pratt
        Peter Pratt
        I don't miss all the crazy liberal trolls. We still have Jon, but most others won't pay the $5.
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          Bogdán Emil
          Bogdán Emil
          Well... I'm one of them, or was, but time and life experience moderates the passions. Jon isn't technically a troll in my opinion.

          TAC came into being to propagate a sane conservative perspective, versus an insane one that blindly marched to war.

          Since liberals are mere people, there are flavors and degrees of (in)sanity and (un)reason within that diverse tribe.

          Sometimes, we even turn in a more conservative direction. At times it has happened, collectively and individually.

          I also get the feeling that Rod welcomes a respectful contribution to the debate by liberals striving for sanity.

          On many current topics, you might not find much argument from me, except the one on behalf of open minds, open debates, and a pluralism of ideas, for steel sharpens steel.
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        Chris Karr
        Chris Karr
        I paid my $60 for the year, but am spending time over there (at the Discord) as the format (and partners) are a bit more amenable for actual conversations.

        As for comments about the folks there and the moderator, don't ever take a look at the Reddit forum r/brokehugs.
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          Bogdán Emil
          Bogdán Emil
          I've been to Reddit and that's not discussion. I also enjoyed the Diaspora, especially talking to my friend "radur." Tell him Brandon Falusi says hi, but apparently I'm not wanted there. I think I defended Roman Polanski's stature as an artist. But he's a pedophile, apparently, so therefore I must endorse pedophilia, or something like that.
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          Bogdán Emil
          Bogdán Emil
          Say hi to radur
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        JON FRAZIER
        JON FRAZIER
        Exactly two people have been banned on that site. Back in the Disqus days Rod occasionally banned people too.
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          Bogdán Emil
          Bogdán Emil
          Rod banned people, with cause sometimes, and he also let them back, sometimes.

          Jon, do you have any idea why Brandon Falusi was banned from the Diaspora? Or do you just reflexively approve of all banning?

          With all due respect, banning and censure and censorship should be kept to a necessary minimum. I would think that should be self-evident, given the recent social trends regarding illiberals and their hair-trigger ostricism.
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    Peter Pratt
    Peter Pratt
    Exactly. The only countries supporting this are American vassals. And even those are not highly supportive. Turkey may end up almost neutral in the end. The BRICS are expanding.

    No nations in the southern hemisphere support the US except vassals Australia and New Zealand. Most of Asia is against the US.
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Bogdán Emil
Bogdán Emil
The Hun descendants are angling for the role of historic peacemaker, Budapest and maybe Istanbul, contrary to the historical distortion about us being barbarians. Do you know how proud Hungarians see Attila the Hun? As a visionary ruler who wisely foresaw the EU itself and tried to create it in his lifetime.

Yeah, that's right, Attila the Hun is the spiritual grandfather of the EU, and this is considered an all around good thing by the descendants of Hunor and Magyar. It's a template for the peaceful coexistence of Europe's nations. Would a barbaric people teach such things?

Of course not. And of course it will be a stretch for Viktor Orbán to be the one who ultimately brings the belligerents to a mutually acceptable conclusion, but maybe not a completely implausible stretch. Even if he's only in the background, as one of the primary exponents of European Realism, the balance he has struck between unhealthy extremes should be instructive, and will attain its just due in the long run.

Hungary has not vetoed or interfered with the vast majority of sanctions, because as the prime minister recently explained to the opposition, a responsible brand of politics takes into full consideration both the national interests of Hungary as well as the importance of European unity.

However, no matter how successful Orbán may be in his endeavors, it's still a Realist fact of life that Hungarians are a small nation, no matter how great our past.

The glory of fulfilling the role of blessed peacemaker in this horrible war between brothers may end up falling to the French, who are slick enough and strong enough to steal Hungarian laurels, just like they stole/adopted the fleur de lis. Yes, we Scythians, the Huns, the Magyars, we gave them that gift.

Once they get a National Conservative government, the French will steal all the thunder from everybody else, like they usually do.
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Zenos Alexandrovitch
Zenos Alexandrovitch
"We should actively support Ukraine's defense" ... said the maniac who pretends not to be for nuclear war, but wants to use slavs as meatshields in a proxy war.
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    Peter Pratt
    Peter Pratt
    We should have pressured Ukraine before February. The Donbas should have been given local autonomy and Ukraine bound to never go to NATO.

    Reportedly, there were numerous agreements worked out in the first 3 months of the conflict, that the US torpedoed.

    This all could have been avoided, but the idiots in Washington have wanted this war since 2014.
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Zenos Alexandrovitch
Zenos Alexandrovitch
Considering the West's evil military support - a holy war would probably be justified.
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