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Catholicism Hearts Chinese Commies?

According to a top Vatican bishop, an Argentine: [1]

“Right now, those who are best implementing the social doctrine of the Church are the Chinese,” a senior Vatican official has said.

Bishop Marcelo Sánchez Sorondo, chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, praised the Communist state as “extraordinary”, saying: “You do not have shantytowns, you do not have drugs, young people do not take drugs”. Instead, there is a “positive national conscience”.

The bishop told the Spanish-language edition of Vatican Insider [2] that in China “the economy does not dominate politics, as happens in the United States, something Americans themselves would say.”

The economy does not dominate politics because China is a one-party dictatorship, you boob!


Bishop Sánchez Sorondo said that China was implementing Pope Francis’s encyclical Laudato Si’ better than many other countries and praised it for defending Paris Climate Accord. “In that, it is assuming a moral leadership that others have abandoned”, he added.

He accused US president Donald Trump of being “manipulated” by global oil firms, and said that, as opposed to those who follow “liberal thought”, the Chinese are working for the greater good of the planet.

Here is a link to the Spanish language original. [2]

This is shameless whoring. Did the bishop forget that China continues to do forced abortions? [3]How can this bishop praise China for implementing the pope’s environmentalist encyclical when China has catastrophically bad air pollution? Look at this 2013 photo of the same scene in Shanghai, taken three days apart:

A year ago, this was the news about the religious liberty situation in China: [5]

In its annual report released March 2, China Aid said Beijing’s shift in how it seeks to manage religion and the adoption of that new policy by government agencies resulted in expanded persecution of individual Christians and greater oppression of unregistered house churches in 2016. Conditions for Christians in the world’s most populous country are expected to deteriorate further this year, the non-profit organization reported.

Chinese President Xi Jinping signaled the shift when he stressed during an April 2016 speech the significance of religions “persistently following the path of Sinicization,” according to the report. China Aid has described “Sinicization” as the effort to “transform Christian theology into a doctrine that aligns with the core values of socialism and so-called Chinese characteristics.” Beijing formerly guided “religion and socialism to mutually adapt,” China Aid reported.

The Vatican under this pope is eager to obey.

Yesterday, George Weigel wrote that the Vatican’s diplomacy with authoritarian regimes continues to be terrible. [6] Excerpt:

If the situation gets worse — if, through increasing repression, Xi Jinping manages to hold together a Maoist political system despite a rising middle class — then what reason is there to have any confidence that the Chinese Communist regime would not tighten the screws on Catholics who challenged the state on human-rights grounds? What reason is there to believe that the Chinese Communists would break the pattern set by Italian fascists, German Nazis, and Eastern and Central European Communists by honoring treaty obligations? Has nothing been learned from the past about the rather elastic view of legality taken by all totalitarian regimes of whatever ideological stripe?

In light of this dismal track record, prudence and caution would seem to be the order of the day in Vatican negotiations with the totalitarians in charge in Beijing. If, on the other hand, things get better in a liberalizing China, with more and more social space being created for civil-society associations and organizations, why should those Chinese interested in exploring the possibility of religious faith be interested in a Catholicism that had kowtowed to the Communist regime? Why wouldn’t Evangelical Protestants who had defied the regime in the heroic house-church movement be the more attractive option?

Weigel, who wrote St. John Paul II’s biography, is right about that. More Weigel:

The truth of the matter is that, today, the only power the Holy See wields is moral power, the slow accretion of moral authority that has come to Catholicism, as embodied by the pope, through the Church’s sometimes sacrificial defense of the human rights of all. How playing Let’s Make a Deal with totalitarians in Beijing who at this very moment are imprisoning and torturing Christians adds to the sum total of Catholicism’s moral authority, or the papacy’s, is, to put it gently, unclear. The same might be said for the de facto betrayal of Rome-loyal bishops in China who are now, it seems, being asked to step aside so that they can be replaced by bishops essentially chosen by the Chinese Communist Party apparatus. This is far less realism than a species of cynicism that ill befits a diplomacy presumably based on the premise that “the truth will make you free” (John 8:32).

Read the whole thing. [6]

There have long been priests eager to sanctify communism, but you ever think you would see it from the Vatican itself? My God. What must John Paul think? Remember him in 1983, putting his finger in the face of Father Ernesto Cardenal, the Sandinista priest who served in the communist government there?

The pope told Cardenal to “regularize” his position with the Church — in effect, telling him that as a priest, he has no business serving as a government official. John Paul had the Code of Canon Law changed to keep priests, monks, and nuns from serving in government, period. This is not the same thing as rebuking Cardenal for serving a communist regime, per se. Still, I love this image, and like to think of St. John Paul II correcting his current successor on the matter of China.

Anybody who defends this episcopal lickspittle Sanchez Sorondo had better not direct a single word of criticism to Evangelical pastors who venerate Donald Trump — who, despite his many sins and failings, does not force abortions on women or send Catholics and others to prison because of their religious beliefs. [7]

The underground Catholic Bishop Shi Enxiang, who spend half of his 94 years in prison for his faith, was not available for comment on Bishop Sanchez’s interview, having died in communist prison in 2015. [8]

But Cardinal Joseph Zen of Hong Kong is not shutting up. From his latest: [9]

The mainland brothers and sisters, in the past few days, have heard that the Vatican is ready to surrender to the Chinese Communists, their hearts are probably very uncomfortable. If the illicit and excommunicated bishops are to be legitimized, and the legitimate bishops are to be forced to retreat, wouldn’t the legitimate bishops of the underground communities be worried about their fate? Priests and believers will soon have to obey and respect those who are today illicit and excommunicated but become legitimized bishops by the Holy See because of the backing by the Chinese government. How painful nights will they have to bear?

No need to say tomorrow, but even today the great plague has begun. Since February 1, 2018 the Chinese government will strictly enforce the Religious Regulations. The underground priests of Shanghai have informed their Church members not to go to their Masses. Those who are stubborn and disobedient will probably be detained!

Don’t be afraid, God will heal the broken heart!

UPDATE: Though I am furious over all this, I really am eager to read the best case for the Vatican’s deal with the Chinese. If you see something worth posting, do let me know.

UPDATE.2: A Catholic theologian tweets:

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35 Comments To "Catholicism Hearts Chinese Commies?"

#1 Comment By Adamant On February 6, 2018 @ 7:38 pm

I really think there is a deeper story, and a longer game being played here than you realize.


#2 Comment By Raskolnik On February 6, 2018 @ 7:39 pm

Me five years ago: sedevacantism is crazy talk

Me today: will no one rid us of this meddlesome antipope?

#3 Comment By Adamant On February 6, 2018 @ 8:02 pm

Specifically from Ratzinger’s letter:

“There would not be any particular difficulties with acceptance of the recognition granted by civil authorities on condition that this does not entail the denial of unrenounceable principles of faith and of ecclesiastical communion. In not a few particular instances, however, indeed almost always, in the process of recognition the intervention of certain bodies obliges the people involved to adopt attitudes, make gestures and undertake commitments that are contrary to the dictates of their conscience as Catholics. I understand, therefore, how in such varied conditions and circumstances it is difficult to determine the correct choice to be made. For this reason the Holy See, after restating the principles, leaves the decision to the individual Bishop who, having consulted his presbyterate, is better able to know the local situation, to weigh the concrete possibilities of choice and to evaluate the possible consequences within the diocesan community. It could be that the final decision does not obtain the consensus of all the priests and faithful. I express the hope, however, that it will be accepted, albeit with suffering, and that the unity of the diocesan community with its own Pastor will be maintained.”

This is a long game being played for the highest of stakes: that the Church could take deep root and thrive in the most populous nation on earth. This would be a world-historical BFD were it to come to fruition. I think we should understand what the Church is actually encountering on the ground there before passing judgement in such a cavalier manner:


#4 Comment By DM On February 6, 2018 @ 8:06 pm

I’m not a huge Francis fan but healing the schism in the Chinese church has been a goal of the Vatican for a long time. There have been plenty of other deals like this done throughout history. JPII’s Poland was a deeply Catholic nation, this is not. The tongue bath for the Chi-coms is probably part dumb clerics saying dumb things, part sausage getting made.

[NFR: I find it hard to understand why you dismiss it as “sausage getting made.” The Chinese government imprisons and even tortures Christians (and other religious believers). Besides, as Weigel points out in his article, the current code of canon law forbids the Vatican from letting governments tell them who they can and can’t have as bishops. Francis can break that law if he likes, but it took the Catholic Church centuries to gain for itself the right to name its own bishops. This is a tremendous defeat. — RD]

#5 Comment By Dale McNamee On February 6, 2018 @ 8:33 pm

What can be expected from a Pope that was probably influenced by the liberation theology prevalent in South America ?

#6 Comment By Bernie On February 6, 2018 @ 8:34 pm

George Weigel, a respected Catholic journalist, makes these points at Rod’s referenced site for him:

“…dealing with the Devil — at least as Vatican diplomacy has done in dealing with totalitarianisms — has never worked out. Consorting with the Devil’s agents is a ticklish business; assuming their willingness to abide by agreements (much less their goodwill) is folly; and carrying the sulfurous odor of too much contact with the Devil’s legions does absolutely nothing to advance the evangelical mission of the Church. In fact, it does just the opposite.”

“Pope Pius XI made a concordat with Mussolini’s Italy — a treaty that was thought to guarantee the Catholic Church’s freedom of action in the fascist state. Two years later, with blackshirt thugs beating up Catholic youth groups and the state media conducting a viciously anticlerical propaganda campaign, Pius XI denounced Mussolini’s policies with the blistering 1931 encyclical Non abbiamo bisogno, in which he condemned fascism’s “pagan worship of the State.”

“In 1933, as Hitler was consolidating Nazi power, Vatican diplomacy negotiated the Reich Concordat in another attempt to protect the Catholic Church from the totalitarian state through a web of legal guarantees. The strategy worked as poorly in Germany as it had in Italy, and in 1937, after many attacks on churchmen and Catholic organizations, Pius XI condemned Hitler’s race-ideology in another thunderbolt encyclical, Mit brennender Sorge, which had to be smuggled into Germany to be read from Catholic pulpits.”

“For well over a century, Vatican diplomacy worked hard…to disentangle the Church from state interference in the appointment of Catholic bishops. That achievement was recognized by Vatican II in its decree Christus Dominus, “On the Pastoral Office of Bishops in the Church.” There, the Council fathers said this about the imperative that the Church be free to choose its own ordained leaders: “In order to safeguard the liberty of the Church and more effectively to promote the good of the faithful, it is the desire of the sacred Council that for the future no rights or privileges be conceded to the civil authorities in regard to the election, nomination, or presentation to bishoprics.” That conciliar desire was then given legislative effect in the 1983 Code of Canon Law, where canon 377.5 flatly states that “for the future, no rights or privileges of election, appointment, presentation, or designation of Bishops are conceded to civil authorities.”

I believe Pope Francis can change Canon Law and it looks like he will for China’s totalitarian government. Shame.

#7 Comment By ~d On February 6, 2018 @ 8:34 pm

Yes, people here are worried about the impact of the new regulations. The main concerns so far are the potential fines for landlords who rent to underground churches (300K RMB) and whether Sunday schools will be prohibited, even at state churches.

#8 Comment By KD On February 6, 2018 @ 8:58 pm

Come now, Chinese “Communism” has a lot more in common with what you might call “authoritarian” regimes in post-WWI Europe than the Soviet Union.

They managed to work with Franco and Salazar, why not the CCP?

[NFR: I don’t care that they work with non-democratic regimes. That’s normal. What I care about is that this particular regime severely persecutes Christians and other religious believers. Rome seems willing to give them control over the naming of bishops … and for what? How on earth a Catholic bishop can go out and make such obsequious public comments about this persecuting government — well, it is revolting. We all know that churchmen (not only Catholics, of course) at times have to be diplomatic, but in my view, the words of that bishop rubbed the noses of the persecuted Catholics of China in dung. — RD]

#9 Comment By Anne On February 6, 2018 @ 9:16 pm

What must John Paul think? Who knows? But it happens to have been none other than he who appointed Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo to the chancellorship of the Pontifical Academy of Science (and Social Science), and he also happens to have been the pope who originally kicked off the diplomatic offensive aimed at getting the Church back in China, which seems to be culminating as Sanchez Sorondo speaks. (Benedict XVI, as I keep pointing out, was the one who in 2007 set off this final push by sending an open letter to Chinese Catholics, asking the underground church and the nationalist Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association version to accept each others’ sacraments as valid and holy.) In any case, JP II didn’t get where he was before his election to the papacy by insulting the Communist party of Poland, and Catholics there always had more clout than they do in China. I doubt anything being said right now would come as a great surprise.

Of course, even if Sanchez Sorondo, a latter-day Latin American Catholic, honestly sympathizes with the Communist system, I think we still have quite enough bishops who’ve been buddy-buddy with rightwing dictators all across the third world to balance off the Church, politically speaking,for quite some time.

#10 Comment By Giuseppe Scalas On February 6, 2018 @ 9:28 pm

Vatican Insider signals this interesting op-ed from Global Times, the Chinese Communist Party magazine devoted to international issues


#11 Comment By Giuseppe Scalas On February 6, 2018 @ 9:33 pm

See also this one.
Interesting as they show the Communist Party’s perspective on the matter.


#12 Comment By Anne On February 6, 2018 @ 9:45 pm

What’s a “latter-day Latin American Catholic”? Good question. That’s yet another editing misfire that slipped past my lazy eagle eye. Deleting the “latter-day” should suffice.

#13 Comment By charles cosimano On February 6, 2018 @ 9:51 pm

The Catholic Church has the right to name its own Bishops in its own imagination. Francis I in France took that away before the Reformation when he created the Gallican Church. The Chinese would have no problem naming the Bishops and giving the Vatican no choice if it wants to have a Catholic Church in China. Remember, there was a time when the Japanese made quick work of it.

“The truth of the matter is that, today, the only power the Holy See wields is moral power,”

Which only works on the sheep willing to be sheared. It won’t work on the Chinese. They are all too willing to show the world what moral power is worth–nothing. (In that respect the Chinese are seriously Cosimanian Orthodox.) Remember, it was a Chinese philosopher, Lord Shang, who said, “When you are willing to do that which others are ashamed to do, therein lies an advantage.”

#14 Comment By CatherineNY On February 6, 2018 @ 10:25 pm

As a mother of two children adopted from China — two children who were found abandoned on sidewalks, and who were lucky to have escaped forced abortion — I cannot tell you how angry this makes me. On both of our adoption trips, we witnessed horrible poverty in China. Get off the tourist track, and you will be shocked by what you see. As for the climate, when we were in the city where we adopted our son (this was in 2007), we were warned to stay in the hotel, lest we be made ill by the dreadful air pollution. We were also told that the city was rife with pickpockets. Catholic social teaching paradise, my eye.

[NFR: Bishop Duranty would like to invite you to a struggle session to reconsider your views. — RD]

#15 Comment By Thomas Tucker On February 6, 2018 @ 10:37 pm

Ends should not justify means.

#16 Comment By Jen On February 6, 2018 @ 11:03 pm

Oof. “You do not have drugs, young people do not take drugs.”

This assertion is untrue. Read the medical literature. China has a heavy burden of HIV and hepatitis, largely due to IV drug use. They are no more immune to these societal problems than other countries.

#17 Comment By Hound of Ulster On February 6, 2018 @ 11:58 pm

Roman Catholic Church sides with a dictatorship…In other earth-shattering news, water is wet.

[NFR: Are you sure that as an Orthodox Christian, you feel good about pointing fingers at Catholics for their church supporting autocracy? — RD]

#18 Comment By Janos On February 7, 2018 @ 4:37 am


Core Catholic principle: The end does not justify the means.

#19 Comment By Fr. Frank On February 7, 2018 @ 7:23 am

May the Savior hear the cries of His servants who glorify Him even now in Chinese prison cells and labor camps. May the Great Shepherd of the sheep strengthen and console the shepherds who have themselves been thrown to the wolves.

And may God be merciful to the man who spits on the testimony of the Martyrs, Passion-bearers, and Confessors who loved Jesus more than their own life. It would be better if such a man had never been born.

#20 Comment By Egypt Steve On February 7, 2018 @ 8:01 am

Er, my understanding of China’s single party rule is that it is self-avowedly Marxist-Leninist. Which means, ipso facto, the economy dominates politics.

#21 Comment By Eric Todd On February 7, 2018 @ 9:34 am

Well, as you know, my Russian Orthodox Church has a very close relationship with Putin’s government in Russia. Historically, Russia has been one of the most liberal countries in the world in allowing abortion, though thanks to the efforts of some sincere Orthodox Christians in Russia, including Svetlana Vladimirovna Medvedeva, the wife of Dmitry Medvedev, this may be changing (God grant her many years!).

What is not changing in Russia is the systemic discrimination against many Protestant groups that seek to evangelise in Russia. For many Orthodox, that may seem acceptable and justified, but it is true.

So I think the Orthodox situation in Russia is not that different from perhaps what the Roman Catholics might be doing in China.

Moreover, I wonder if the Roman Catholic Church is all that worried about the persecution of “subversive” house church Christians in China. Think about it: China is the largest country in the world and the fastest growing Christian church there is not the Roman Catholic Church, but rather unofficial Evangelical groups. Perhaps they are hoping for the same sort of monopoly protection in China that the Orthodox Church has in Russia. If the Roman Catholic Church is concerned about relevance in the largest country in the world, teaming up with the current government seems like a reasonable strategy to enable them to gain “market share”, however morally objectionable it may be.

#22 Comment By Bernie On February 7, 2018 @ 9:53 am

@ Anne who states: “Benedict XVI, as I keep pointing out, was the one who in 2007 set off this final push by sending an open letter to Chinese Catholics, asking the underground church and the nationalist Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association version to accept each others’ sacraments as valid and holy.”

I read this letter from Pope Benedict at the site below. Unless I missed something, because the letter is long, I think Anne’s characterization of it is entirely misleading. Pope Benedict is as orthodox as they come and he is trying to be pastoral and clear up some misunderstandings. Every statement in the letter needs to be read in context.


#23 Comment By GSW On February 7, 2018 @ 10:02 am

I’m the kind of guy who puts little stock in clergy who engage in political activism as it has the potential both to divide the faithful and distract from the faith. So I generally pay little or no mind to the political opinions of church leaders concerning particular regimes and political leaders. In particular, I don’t care a hoot what the Roman Catholic hierarchy thinks about the Chinese Communist Party, the EU, or Donald Trump – not a hoot.

But I do have a personal interest in Chinese population policies being the proud father of two adult Chinese daughters born there in the early 1990s.

I remind everyone that it is dangerous and misleading to overgeneralize about a country as socially, economically and politically complex and physically large as China – 1.4 billion people and roughly the same territorial size as Canada or the United States.

Material conditions are ***so*** very much better for ordinary Chinese than they were when our daughters were born and, of course, the entire Chinese 20th Century was a human catastrophe of civil war, invasion and revolution. It is also impossible to equate contemporary political conditions with conditions in the Maoist dictatorship.

As an Orthodox Christian, I am deeply sorrowed by the use of abortion as a method of birth control anywhere, anytime. But forced abortion is not state policy in China. Indeed, it is against the law. It has caused scandal in Chinese civil society and forced policy changes.

I think this excerpt from an article posted on the PRI website reflects reality as I understand it. “But are coercive abortions still happening? Yes, but they are rare, it seems. Coercive abortion is officially illegal in China, and according to China expert Leta Hong, author of “Leftover Women: The Resurgence of Gender Inequality in China,” the practice was always unevenly executed, with many forced abortions occurring in the countryside by government civil servants looking for promotions or trying to avoid penalties for not keeping their birth rates in check. There may still be cases, but the practice has decreased significantly since the 2000s, and even more so since China officially lifted its one-child policy last year, Hong says. There are still examples, though, such as the one that made headlines globally in 2015.”





China has a vibrant civil society – something absent in totalitarian regimes – and growing millions of Chinese Christians. We would do well to keep this in mind when assessing the international diplomacy of the Roman Catholic hierarchy.

Holy Chinese Martyrs of the Boxer Rebellion, pray for us.

#24 Comment By Hector_St_Clare On February 7, 2018 @ 10:20 am

Come now, Chinese “Communism” has a lot more in common with what you might call “authoritarian” regimes in post-WWI Europe than the Soviet Union.

They managed to work with Franco and Salazar, why not the CCP?

For once, I agree with KD here.

#25 Comment By collin On February 7, 2018 @ 12:17 pm

The economy does not dominate politics because China is a one-party dictatorship, you boob!

I know it is a party system but the Chinese communist party is very dominated by the economy. They do a lot of small things to ensure the private sector does the right things that is way beyond what our government does. (Any read of local government and local factory is a big part of it.) China foreign policy is completely dominated by the Treasury Department and the government has more influence on foreign investments. Now it has been very successful for the last 30 years but I still think they do hit a Japan wall in the next five years.

#26 Comment By charles cosimano On February 7, 2018 @ 1:29 pm

“Core Catholic principle: The end does not justify the means.”

Core principle of Chinese politics since the 1st Emperor: The ends always justify the means.

#27 Comment By Garrett On February 7, 2018 @ 2:02 pm

I will not believe the premise that the “best implementing the social doctrine of the Church are the Chinese,” until our Church leaders move there.

Argentinean Bishop Marcelo Sánchez Sorondo, as the true believer for which he is, should easily accept this challenge immediately.

I will gladly chip in on his one-way airfare.

#28 Comment By ROB On February 7, 2018 @ 2:21 pm

It would take car loads and car loads of right wing autocrats of the Franco, Salazar, Trujillo stripe to begin to approach the Communists with regard to the Catholic Church. Stepanak and others, many others, call home.

#29 Comment By DM On February 7, 2018 @ 3:15 pm

“The Chinese government imprisons and even tortures Christians (and other religious believers)”

Yes. Which is another reason why the Vatican wants a deal. Would be nice if underground Catholics had legal protections.

#30 Comment By Elijah On February 7, 2018 @ 3:41 pm

“Would be nice if underground Catholics had legal protections.”

And do you really think they’re going to get any kind of guarantee from that in a nation with the world’s largest forced labor camp system?

As is typical in China, the law and reality are often sharply divided. Here is an example of the reality of forced abortions:


#31 Comment By GSW On February 7, 2018 @ 4:36 pm

“How playing Let’s Make a Deal with totalitarians in Beijing who at this very moment are imprisoning and torturing Christians adds to the sum total of Catholicism’s moral authority, or the papacy’s, is, to put it gently, unclear.” @ George Weigel

And, “The Chinese government imprisons and even tortures Christians (and other religious believers).” @RD

Context, please. While there is truth here, some balance is needed.

Although China does persecute some Christians, it is just not true to imply that Beijing systematically persecutes many tens of thousands, most, or all Christians. Often, persecution is provincial/local in origin, like demands that illuminated crosses on the outside of church buildings be removed, rather than being directed from Beijing in some sort of Maoist Rectification Campaign.

Some 25-30 million Christians worship openly in public registered churches every Sunday in China. A few years ago, my family attended unannounced such a service in a city in east-central China. There were about 200-300 people there and we were greeted with polite nods on entering and leaving. Hymns were sung and absolutely no one looked as if they were waiting for the secret police to cart them away to prison camp – no one.

Many millions more (30-60?) worship in unregistered churches which, while technically, in a legal gray area are, in practice, largely tolerated (with exceptions, of course.)

So the number of Christians in China is, say, twice the total population of Canada and while it is true to say that their Christian worship is bureaucratized, even restricted, accusations that most Chinese Christians are persecuted to the point of torture/imprisonment by Beijing overstate the case to the point of being misleading.




#32 Comment By JCA On February 7, 2018 @ 6:33 pm

The Catholic Church _loves_ the people of China, rather. It doesn’t help to reduce a complex problem, involving difficult deliberations, to pejorative name-calling and identifying all of this country of 1.4 billion with its government, nor its system of government, with ‘Communism’. I agree with your Christian critique of modernity, and and don’t think it needs to resort to the reflex political conservatism that is just the other face of secular modernity. That position is well represented by Weigel’s self righteous moral posturing.

#33 Comment By JCA On February 7, 2018 @ 6:36 pm

The Catholic Church _loves_ the people of China, rather. It doesn’t help to reduce a complex problem, involving difficult deliberations, to pejorative name-calling and identifying all of this country of 1.4 billion with its government, nor its system of government with Communism. I agree with your Christian critique of modernity, and and don’t think it needs to resort to the reflex political conservatism that is just the other face of secular modernity. Thay position is well represented by Weigel’s self righteous moral posturing.

#34 Comment By KD On February 7, 2018 @ 8:06 pm

Remember also, unlike the selfish West which wants to preserve its national identity by excluding refugees and immigrants, China practices open borders and admits a rainbow of different peoples… oh, well maybe not so much.

Actually, its kind of like one big Han ethnostate committed to brutally extinguishing the cultures of the local minorities under its boot. How progressive, how Christian, how Catholic is that?

#35 Comment By CatherineNY On February 9, 2018 @ 8:31 am

@JCA writes: “It doesn’t help to reduce a complex problem, involving difficult deliberations, to pejorative name-calling and identifying all of this country of 1.4 billion with its government, nor its system of government with Communism.” Oh please. China is a totalitarian Communist state, as brutal as they come (yes, North Korea makes them look good by comparison, but that’s setting the bar very low indeed). I’ve traveled around the country, and not just to tourist areas. If you haven’t seen the poverty, oppression and environmental degradation that exists there, then you don’t know what you are seeking to whitewash in your statement. I have good friends there. Once, one of the friends took a selfie with me when the friend was in New York for a conference. Then, the friend carefully wrote me a note, saying that I must not post the innocent picture on any social media. That’s the least of what people there live with.