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The Christian Wisdom Of The Ignorant

A well-trained Evangelical pastor reflects repentantly on the hidden virtues of the simple preachers he used to mock
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(Photo above a screenshot of this video about Appalachian Christianity.)

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This Twitter thread is making the rounds, deservedly so. It starts like this:

And includes this:

But then he changed his mind. Click here to read the whole story, and to see some amazing documents.

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I thought about this while reflecting on something a former occultist, now Christian, told me when I interviewed him for my new book. He said that having come out of a very, very dark place, he realizes now that the fundagelicals he used to make fun of in his pre-occult youth are actually far better judges of the dangers of the occult's dangers than the sophisticated Christians he used to admire before becoming an occultist. After he began openly and willingly to serve the dark side, he used to laugh at the sophisticated Christians as no threat at all to the designs of him and his co-religionists. The ex-occultist, who has an advanced education, even told me that as crude as he is, old Jack Chick, with his crazypants pamphlets, was a lot closer to the truth of what the occult is than are many more sophisticated theologians (and it's not harder to be more sophisticated than Chick). A characteristic image from a Chick tract:

I'm reminded too of what the late Polish Cardinal Stefan Wyszyinski, the spiritual leader of Poland during most of its Communist oppression, did to ensure the survival of the faith under the Communist yoke. The Blessed Stefan (he was beatified last year) understood that the new Communist rulers of Poland would try to subdue the Church and secularize the Polish people by winning over intellectual elites. So he strongly promoted Polish folk piety, judging that the faithfulness of the simple people of Poland, which entailed some pious practices that were shallow and sentimental, were a stronger bulwark against the totalitarians than intellection. (If you read Czeslaw Milosz's The Captive Mind, about the surrender of some Polish intellectuals to Communism, you can understand why).

The point of all this is not to praise ignorance in Christian pastors. Not long ago I encountered a low-church Christian who didn't know what he didn't know, and who made a number of bad judgments based on his ignorance, which for him had become a form not of humility, but of self-righteousness. Pride may take different forms, but it's still pride. No, the point is not to praise ignorance per se, but rather to say that in some ways, the ignorant-but-faithful are much wiser than those who look down on them from a mountain of books, but who have lost something vital in their intellectual assent. May God bless Michael Clary for his testimony. He has given me a lot to think about -- as has this ex-occultist with whom I spoke.

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JON FRAZIER
JON FRAZIER
Sorry, but I don't and can't believe in "the occult". I believe in the Risen Christ. Ocultist nonsense is just superstition and heretical superstition at that. The early medieval Church pronounced belief in witchcraft heretical due to the Manichean implications of the concept. Only God has mastery over nature - something we 21st century humans need to remember for our own ressons too.
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    Theodore Iacobuzio
    Theodore Iacobuzio
    The canonical text is in Kit Marlowe's wonderful play:

    Faust. Did not my conjuring speeches raise thee? Speak.
    Mephistopheles. That was the cause, but yet per accidens;
    For when we hear one rack the name of God,
    Abjure the Scriptures and his Saviour Christ,
    We fly in hope to get his glorious soul;
    Nor will we come, unless he use such means
    Whereby he is in danger to be damn’d:
    Therefore the shortest cut for conjuring
    Is stoutly to abjure the Trinity,
    And pray devoutly to the Prince of Hell.

    Disbelief in the Devil is not orthodox either, Frazier.
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      Fran Macadam
      Fran Macadam
      And then there's this from Goethe. Faust asks Mephistopheles whom he's conjured up through his intellectual quest, how he knows so many hidden things. "Art thou omniscient?" Faust queries. Mephistopheles admits his limit. "No, merely... well informed."

      Such is the power of the air, by those who have flown in from the east finding their former haunts become less hospitable, and the one we inhabit cleaned out and ready for occupation.
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      JON FRAZIER
      JON FRAZIER
      Where do you see me disbelieving in the Devil? Have you actually read any of my comments on this subject? I am arguing against a near-heretical form of superstition. Hell certainly exists-- but not in some potboiler horror novel way.
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    Peter Pratt
    Peter Pratt
    Christ cast out demons. Was this all just fantasy added by writers?
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      Frans
      Frans
      As did his disciples.
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      JON FRAZIER
      JON FRAZIER
      Am I arguing that Hell and the Devil and his host do not exist? No, I am arguing against superstition and Manichean dualism. The Devil has no power that God does not give him.
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        Eusebius Pamphilus
        Eusebius Pamphilus
        You're arguing for complacency. That is your modus operandi. At least that is how it is perceived.
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          JON FRAZIER
          JON FRAZIER
          In this case, no. I am arguing for confronting the Devil where it most matters: in your own soul.
          I would also advise people to consider the several places where Satan actually appears in Scripture and his role. He tempts Eve into eating the Forbidden Fruit (the Serpent in Eden is universally, within Christianity, perceived as a avatar of the Devil); he afflicts Job, and with God's permission, to tempt him away from his faith in God; and in the New Testament he tempts Christ into forsaking his incarnational purpose and instead becoming the sort of worldly Messiah the Jews were expecting.
          That is the conflict we face with Hell and its master, one that is never ending in this world. Externalizing that conflict means you will likely be led astray and fail to meet the true danger within you. And you may even end up serving the Devil's purposes by succumbing to hate and anger at others.
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Fran Macadam
Fran Macadam
Glad for Christian intellectuals who've realized their salvation isn't the product of their own intellectual gifts
- which in any case they are not the author of.

Philosopher Mortimer Adler confessed that his lifelong search for God had failed because he had wanted Mortimer to find God, not for God to find him. He explained how he finally came to salvation in Christ when he allowed God to intervene.
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Maclin Horton
Maclin Horton
I had a very similar realization early in my adult return to Christian faith. I was listening to some semi-literate radio preacher and thinking "what an idiot", but it dawned on me that in the end what I had in common with him was more significant and essential than what I had in common with sophisticated and educated Christians who were selling out to the modern world.
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Frans
Frans
The innate innocence of soul of the sheep of the good shepherd grazing upon the hillsides of the world is not only the most precious thing on this planet, but also the most powerful.
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JON FRAZIER
JON FRAZIER
We are told to become as children again to enter the Kingdom. And there are Fools for Christ, though only a very few are called to so demanding an ascesis. Yet we are so told to be wise as serpents while being as meek as doves.
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    Fran Macadam
    Fran Macadam
    They may lose you about ascesis.
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      JON FRAZIER
      JON FRAZIER
      Right, because Christians should lead comfortable lives.
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        Fran Macadam
        Fran Macadam
        No, only because they don't share your elite vocabulary!
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          JON FRAZIER
          JON FRAZIER
          One of the small pleasures of Rod's blog has been learning new things. Perhaps you do not share that.
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