TAC’s Senior Editor, Helen Andrews, and Editor-at-Large, Dan McCarthy, talked with New York Times‘ columnist, Ross Douthat, about how conservatives should view the upcoming presidential election:

What do Trump supporters talk about when they talk about 2020? This week on “The Argument,” Ross Douthat hosts a special intra-right debate over whether conservatives should support Trump in 2020. He plays “moderate squish” (i.e., NeverTrumper) to Pro-Trump conservatives Dan McCarthy, the editor of Modern Age, and Helen Andrews, a senior editor of The American Conservative. They disagree with Ross about the president’s handling of the coronavirus and argue against his ultimate question for Republicans in 2020: Should conservatives actually hope for a Trump loss in November?

You can read more about the interview and listen here.