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The Unhinged Elizabeth Warren

As they say, history doesn’t repeat itself, but it does indeed rhyme. And so “Elizabeth Warren” rhymes with “Hillary Clinton”—at least in terms of the way they run presidential campaigns. That is, they both go heavy on data and metrics, and light on common sense.

Only a nerdy, screens-before-people mindset could have yielded Warren’s tone-deaf attempt to use DNA data to “prove” that she is a Native American. And then that same mindset manifested itself in an elaborate rollout plan: puffy kickoff article [1] in her hometown newspaper, The Boston Globe? Check. Slick accompanying campaign video [2]? Check. Copious supporting details on her website [3]? Check.

Yet despite—or perhaps because of—all that planning, the whole thing blew up like the Hindenburg. Even friendly observers laughed at the argument that her being .09 percent Native American amounted to anything compelling. After all, according to a 2014 report [4] in The New York Times, the average “European-American” is .18 percent Native American—that is, double Warren’s share—while African Americans and Hispanics have significantly more Native American ancestry. (As an aside, the average white American is .19 percent black, which is to say, if Warren can claim Native American status—a claim that undoubtedly spurred her academic career, no matter how many fawning Globe articles [5] say otherwise—then most Americans could make the claim, too; indeed, they could also claim African-American status.)

The blowback against Warren’s genetics gambit was instantaneous—and ferocious. Most spectacularly, Cherokee Nation official Chuck Hoskin told CNN [6], “It makes a mockery out of DNA tests and its legitimate uses while also dishonoring legitimate tribal governments and their citizens, whose ancestors are well documented and whose heritage is proven. Senator Warren is undermining tribal interests with her continued claims of tribal heritage.”

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For its part, National Review gleefully jumped in, compiling a string of harsh tweets [7] from Native Americans. One Ashley Fairbanks, a citizen of Minnesota’s White Earth nation, was even harsher, headlining [8] her opinion piece, “Elizabeth Warren’s DNA test is only proof that she’s an [expletive].”

The Washington Post summed it up [9] on October 16: “Elizabeth Warren angers prominent Native Americans with politically fraught DNA test.” Even the Warren-centric Globe had to admit, in an oh-so-polite headline, “Elizabeth Warren’s DNA results don’t silence attacks against her.”

Indeed, the coming days are likely to be worse, as diggers dig up more awkward material that suggests Warren was playing the faux ethnic victim card for all it was worth. An example is this video clip [10] in which she “recovered” memories of her “Cherokee” mother supposedly suffering from anti-Indian discrimination. In the meantime, satirists are moving in for the kill. As The Onion [11] had it, “Elizabeth Warren Disappointed After DNA Test Shows Zero Trace Of Presidential Material.”

Needless to say, journalists, political scientists, and other chroniclers of folly will be chewing on this incident for a long time to come. Most likely, they will conclude that it was a case of groupthink—that is, the hermetic optimism that can abound in a closed system. And lately, it seems, the phenomenon has grown worse, as snowflakey young people are aided in their misapprehensions by the wise fool known as the computer.

That’s why Team Warren, in 2018, repeated the mistakes of Team Clinton, in 2016. The day after Hillary lost an election that she should have won, The Washington Post headlined [12] its explanation: “Clinton’s data-driven campaign relied heavily on an algorithm named Ada. What didn’t she see?” Answer: a lot, starting with the human quintessence that’s invisible to silicon chips.

In 2017, veteran Democratic pollster Stanley Greenberg [13] summed up the Clintonians’ disastrous dependence on the crutch of computing: “The campaign relied far too heavily on something that campaign technicians call ‘data analytics.’” Greenberg continued, “When campaign developments overtake the model’s assumptions, you get surprised by the voters—and this happened repeatedly.” That’s how you lose.

Yet the prestige of tech, and the accompanying data-based mindset, is so great that despite the debacle of ’16, the Warren peeps embraced it in ’18. This metrics fetish was on full display in a Washington Post article that appeared on October 14. The reporter was spoon-fed impressive-sounding details [14]: “Warren’s team has offered to send out emails to her list (180 times), given contributions (167 times) or provided policy documents (63 times). She also has met with candidates one-on-one (61 times) and done videos (36 times) and fundraisers (41 times).”

As a data-mad Warren aide added, “We know every single district. We’ve researched every district. We’re granularly paying attention to every place on the map.” Here the rest of us might pause to repurpose that Oscar Wilde quip: they knew the price of everything, but the value of nothing. We might presume that out of such a mindset came the idea that if there was an “ethnic box” to be checked, well, the way to do it right was with data.

So in that sense, Warren’s crowing over her ethnic heritage was simply the next lap in the Democrats’ galloping preoccupation with diversity, intersectionality, and other kinds of racial apportionment.

Of course, there were other factors, too—most obviously, President Trump’s attacks on Warren as “Pocahontas.” As CNN’s Chris Cillizza explained [15], “Trump’s attacks were hurting her,” even as he added that Warren’s response amounted to “overkill.”

Thus we are reminded of one of Trump’s greatest strengths: his ability to unhinge his opponents. Of course, his foes think he’s unhinged, but then, it seems, in an anti-Trump tantrum, they go out and do things they shouldn’t do, thereby reminding everyone that unhinged is a relative concept. This sort of perverse escalation hasn’t worked out well for Trump’s opponents in the past, nor is it working out today. As The Washington Post headlined [16], “In dust-up with Elizabeth Warren, President Trump shows he’s pulling the strings in the Democratic presidential contest.”

Of course, no matter how bad Warren’s situation might seem at the moment, all is not lost for her. Trump has proven that a determined candidate can climb out of a mighty deep hole.

So while Warren has just turned herself into a punchline, she still has punches to throw. In a tweet storm [17], she sought to turn her problem into Trump’s problem: “Whenever someone brings up my family story, I’ll use it to lift up the story of Native families and communities.”

As we have seen, many Native Americans don’t want that sort of help from Warren, but most Democrats, furious as they are at Trump, do want a fighter. And so if a heavy-handed pugilist such as Michael Avenatti is too improbable even for this day and age, well, maybe Warren can put on the gloves for the #Resistance.

Thus we can see that Warren and Trump can, in effect, both help each other. That is, Trump elevates Warren by attacking her, lifting her above the Democratic pack. And for her part, Warren’s attacks on Trump serve to further firm up his base of support—which now extends to virtually all Republicans.

So yes, it’s possible that Warren’s October surprise might yet redound to her benefit, at least in the short run. That short run, we can observe, is the time between now and the Democratic National Convention in July 2020.

However, there’s also a longer run—the run-up to the November 2020 general election. Nobody’s crystal ball extends that far, but even so, we can venture this much: as of today, Warren’s DNA antics have hurt her with swing voters. Yes, the Democratic base might love her for the orange enemy she has made, and that might help her get the nomination. But the general election is likely to be a different story—with a different ending.

You see, in the course of rising in politics, Warren has gone from being an Oklahoma Democrat to a Massachusetts Democrat. Once upon a time—that is, a decade ago, in the wake of the Great Recession, when she burst onto the scene as a champion of consumer finance reform—she had the homespun aspect of a prairie populist; she was the plucky housewife-turned-lawyer, fighting for the little guy. Yet since her election to the Senate in 2012, she’s become a new-style Boston brahmin, having embraced the whole liturgy of high-church liberalism.

It’s this newer Elizabeth Warren who seeks to go up against Trump in two years. She must know that since JFK in 1960, the national track record for Massachusetts liberalism has been poor. Over the last six decades, many Bay State Democrats have yearned for the presidency, and yet only two of them managed to win their party’s nomination—Michael Dukakis in 1988, and John Kerry in 2004—and they both lost. (In that same period, winning Democrats were from Texas, Georgia, Arkansas, and Illinois—all states closer to Oklahoma than Massachusetts.)

Of course, in their anger at Trump, today’s Democrats might be blind to the obvious reasons—including the latest self-inflicted reason—to question Warren’s electability.

But then, as we have seen, the ability to bewitch his enemies is one of Trump’s greatest strengths.

James P. Pinkerton is an author and contributing editor at The American Conservative. He served as a White House policy aide to both Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush.

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45 Comments To "The Unhinged Elizabeth Warren"

#1 Comment By Daniel (not Larrison) On October 16, 2018 @ 11:23 pm

This was the first thing I thought of when I saw the ridiculous claim that Warren’s test “proved” she was a Native American: [18]

#2 Comment By Jannie On October 16, 2018 @ 11:40 pm

The Oklahoma Cherokee tribe does not have blood quantum requirement for entry into tribe, but an individual must prove descent from someone who is on the Dawes rolls. She could be a member of the tribe with 1/1000 of Cherokee blood. What would be cool is for Elizabeth Warren to have a deep search done to see if she could establish her missing ancestor. Since she is from Oklahoma, perhaps the missing person can be traced to the Dawes roll. As an amateur genealogist I just learned how it is possible to do this at a recent DNA conference. And of course the police know to hire some DNA genealogists to find crooks by who they are related to. If anyone could have the resources to do such a thing she should be able to get it done. Then if she found a Dawes roll ancestor and if she could document descent she should publically apply for membership in the tribe. That would upset some and give a lot of folks a vicarious thrill.

#3 Comment By EngineerScotty On October 17, 2018 @ 1:24 am

There’s an old saying: “Never mud-wrestle with a pig. You’ll get dirty, and the pig enjoys it”.

Trump, of course, likely could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and get away with it–he’s a sufficiently large cadre of supporters who will let him. Few Democrats, if any, have that sort of license from their respective bases–and Warren has to deal with criticism and flak concerning her native heritage (or lack thereof), something which is a minor infraction compared to the various things Trump has been up to.

Perhaps it’s a good thing, and a hope for democracy, that no politician on the left appeals to the liberal id in the same way that Trump does on the right.

#4 Comment By Eric Bergerud On October 17, 2018 @ 2:47 am

Warren is too wonkey for the Demos. Her federal board members will not fly well for the mega-rich Demos in Silicon Valley either. (I think they won’t like Bernie or a Clone either – they’re social warriors, not socialists.) I’d look for some real cold blooded and utterly ruthless opportunist like Kamala Harris to be in a very good position. And in the ethnic hypersensitive culture found today on the Left, having real native Americans showing rage on Warren may be a death certificate.

#5 Comment By S On October 17, 2018 @ 3:15 am

Sadly, no matter who wins, US gets a neocon administration waging war upon the world.

#6 Comment By DrivingBy On October 17, 2018 @ 4:15 am

“The day after Hillary lost an election that she should have won”

Hillary and ‘should have won’ resting comfortably in the same phrase, eh? “The American Conservative” contains at least one inaccurate word, and I’m not sure about the other two 😉

#7 Comment By spite On October 17, 2018 @ 5:46 am

The biggest joke regarding this is how there are leftist pundits that openly state how her 0.000…% Indian DNA refutes Trump.

#8 Comment By Mike McG On October 17, 2018 @ 7:34 am

Since Warren has “proved” that she has 1/1024th Native American ancestry, it would be interesting if Trump would pay 1/1024th (USD 976.5) of the million dollar wager that he made with her, re her being unable to prove such ancestry.

This would arguably fulfil his commitment, and would probably help keep the conversation on Warren’s “ancestry” going until the upcoming elections. Win-win (for Trump), at very reasonable cost?

#9 Comment By connecticut farmer On October 17, 2018 @ 8:15 am

“The day after Hillary lost an election that she should have won”

It was her election to lose, not Trump’s to win. She lost because she ran a godawful campaign while all but thumbing her nose at White America from the middle class on down. And Warren looks like her clone, another out of touch elitist wonk who reduces flesh and blood human beings to statistics on a spreadsheet.

#10 Comment By Phillip On October 17, 2018 @ 8:20 am

I just lost 20 minutes of my life wasting it reading this petty tripe of tomfoolery.

#11 Comment By Fran Macadam On October 17, 2018 @ 10:15 am

Another liberal Becky defeated in the Identity Politics dustup.

#12 Comment By KAM On October 17, 2018 @ 10:28 am

“I just lost 20 minutes of my life wasting it reading this petty tripe of tomfoolery.”

What, did you read it aloud?

#13 Comment By Alex (the one that likes Ike) On October 17, 2018 @ 11:58 am

Perhaps it’s a good thing, and a hope for democracy, that no politician on the left appeals to the liberal id in the same way that Trump does on the right.

Yup. Unlike Trump, they appeal to it in a self-defeating way. Apart from Sandernist-style politicians maybe, but the DNC would rather have Republicans in the West Wing for decades than let one of them win the nomination.

#14 Comment By Roy Fassel On October 17, 2018 @ 12:45 pm

If Elizabeth Warren is unhinged….then Donald Trump is unhinged on steroids.

#15 Comment By EarlyBird On October 17, 2018 @ 12:45 pm

The political stupidity of Warren’s DNA stunt today is that it reminds voters of the cynical use of her “Cherokee ancestry” in the first place. Speck of Cherokee DNA notwithstanding, she is as alien to the Cherokee experience as is a Martian. Her “Cherokeeness” doesn’t even quality as an asterisk, yet she mentioned this in college entrance applications, books and in other small biographical profiles.

Why? To gain advantage in the diversity sweepstakes. Imagine: a super white – dare I say “privileged” – women can claim some kind of solidarity with Native Americans and other people of color while experiencing none of the disadvantages, and colleges could tick off the “Native American” box in their diversity roster.

Warren was nearly entering Rachel Dolezal territory. It illustrates everything wrong with how the left thinks about and uses ethnic and racial identity.

#16 Comment By EarlyBird On October 17, 2018 @ 12:53 pm

Phillip, it took you 20 minutes to read it?

#17 Comment By James Keye On October 17, 2018 @ 1:42 pm

Such foolishness! Warren was told that she had an indigenous ancestor, she told others this family story and, in fact, she does have such an ancestor as indicated by DNA testing. She never claimed to be an “Indian”, only that there was a family story of such a history. The rest is misrepresentation for political gain.

#18 Comment By balconesfault On October 17, 2018 @ 2:15 pm

Seems to me simple.

Trump owes $1 million to the charity of Elizabeth Warren’s choice.

Of course, Trump also apparently owes plumbers, electicians, etc who worked on his DC Hotel about $5 million.

But we all expect him to be looking out for America’s best interests, right? Because after all, he promised to.

#19 Comment By Cratylus On October 17, 2018 @ 2:34 pm

There is another milestone for Trump’s progress in articles like this.
The author felt no need to disparage Trump to prove his bona fides. No mention of “orange,” “stupid,” or “vulgar” etc.

#20 Comment By Cratylus On October 17, 2018 @ 2:36 pm

Another mark of progress for Trump contained in this article.
The author felt no need to insult or otherwise put down Trump to prove his own worth and superiority.
No “orange,” “moron,” “vulgar” etc.

#21 Comment By JessicaR On October 17, 2018 @ 2:49 pm

The headline seems a little harsh. Warren may have made a mistake, but I doubt she is unhinged.

#22 Comment By Andrew Stanton On October 17, 2018 @ 3:00 pm

I doubt JFK could qualify as a contemporary liberal, Massachusetts or otherwise.

#23 Comment By Sisera On October 17, 2018 @ 3:39 pm

Last I checked elizabeth Warren was one of two senators not to take PAC and/or dark money.
In spite of this she is promoted by CNN, MSDNC, et al.
They want to butter her up to split the lefty vote between her and Bernie in the primary. The abolishment is superdelegates had the rule that after the first ballot, they become unpledged (then an Avenatti/Oprah ticket can go on to struggle for 200 electoral votes)

Her embrace of IDPol likely stems from a desire to insulate her and her supporters from attacks like Bernie received (his supporters are racist/sexist, he’s a Russian agent, etc).

#24 Comment By George Hoffman On October 17, 2018 @ 3:53 pm

This faux pas will be remembered in much the same way as Hillary’s “basket of deplorables” comment was at an LGBQT rally and Mitt’s “47% we never vote for me” that was surreptitiously taped at a private RNC fundraiser. Americans know instinctively politics is a contact sport, and they abhor any politician who appear weak. Warren’s toast.

#25 Comment By Ken Hamilton On October 17, 2018 @ 3:57 pm

Mr. Pinkerton is not the first person I have read today who tries to dismiss Senator Warren’s 2020 chances. Considering how many times that pundits tried to do the same thing to Trump’s chances during the 2016 campaign, I think they should pump the brakes on so doing.

That being said, I hope either Congressman Delaney or Governor Bullock win the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination.

#26 Comment By Steve S. On October 17, 2018 @ 3:57 pm

I am a member of the Cherokee tribe and an employee of it. Many of us here are less than 1% Cherokee by blood, myself included. My family registered their tribal membership with the Dawes Commission over a hundred years ago and so I am Cherokee.

If Senator Warren’s family had sense enough to register with the Dawes Roll, she would be a card-carrying Cherokee today so it’s not really her fault. The distinction between Senator Warren and myself, however, is that I don’t capitalize on my “ethnicity” as she has in her career. I never claim on census or job applications to be Native American or a “person of color”.

More importantly though, I was in Standing Rock Camp in North Dakota with the veterans in early December 2016 (after the election). I was there when the Army Corps of Engineers declined to grant the easement to the pipeline company (on a Sunday afternoon, no less).

It was ONLY THEN that Senator Warren came out in support of we protestors, NOT before. The Corp’s decision was all for show. I believe that it was to forestall the worldwide media spectacle of our brave male and female veterans in uniform being beaten bloody in broad daylight by police-state thugs dressed like Darth Vader. With 20,000 of us in the camp, we could have swarmed all around the police.

I knew at the time that Trump would likely reverse the Corp’s decision when he became president the following month (and he did just that, on Day 2). I expect that Senator Warren knew that too when she finally came out in support of us. DO remember that in 2019 when she and the other 2020 Democratic Party candidates signal their virtuous opposition to Big Oil by claiming to have opposed the Dakota Pipeline. I’ll remember. All of us who were there at Standing Rock will remember.

#27 Comment By cka2nd On October 17, 2018 @ 4:01 pm

I will just note that a friend of mine with whom I’ve since lost touch once told me that she was from the South – Georgia, I think – and that when she was growing up – she’d probably be in her mid- to late-60’s now, so I think we’re talking about the 50’s and 60’s – she was never allowed to forget that she was tainted for having even a single drop of Indian blood in her. Now, I’ve mostly read that Southerners and border folks of older generations “often brag about” having some Indian blood in them, while they hid the fact that they may also have had some “colored” ancestors, too, but I remember the sincerity and gravity of my friend’s comment, so I take the dismissal of Warren’s efforts to respond to Trump’s constant attacks with a grain of salt.

#28 Comment By RR On October 17, 2018 @ 6:27 pm

quote: “Trump owes $1 million to the charity of Elizabeth Warren’s choice.”

He should write her a check for .09% of $1 million.

#29 Comment By cj On October 17, 2018 @ 6:41 pm

I’m worried much less by an unhinged senator than I am the unhinged, intellectually lazy and incurious, donald trump. We’re in dire times and a nutjob and his enablers are running the country.

#30 Comment By Mark Krvavica On October 17, 2018 @ 7:44 pm

I will not vote for Trump again in 2020, but U.S. Senator Elizabeth Warren is not my girl. I would love to see a good Independent candidate for U.S. President on the California ballot two years from now, I’m willing to vote for him/her.

#31 Comment By Mr. Morningstar On October 17, 2018 @ 10:04 pm

Trump has been flogging the ‘Pocohontas’ angle for years to no effect. When he returns to his regularly scheduled buffoonery, people will forget this latest episode too.

#32 Comment By jim On October 18, 2018 @ 2:07 am

“Such foolishness! Warren was told that she had an indigenous ancestor, she told others this family story and, in fact, she does have such an ancestor as indicated by DNA testing.”

James Keyes, you are an ignoramus.

Go find the boston globe story that clearly states that they did NOT have a Native American DNA database. They matched her against Colombian, Peruvian and Mexican DNA samples.

In short, there was NO match to Native American DNA because they lacked population data.

Duh

#33 Comment By mrsctacker On October 18, 2018 @ 10:05 am

James Keye says:

“Warren was told that she had an indigenous ancestor, she told others this family story and, in fact, she does have such an ancestor as indicated by DNA testing. She never claimed to be an “Indian”, only that there was a family story of such a history. The rest is misrepresentation for political gain.”
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I always assumed it was perfectly possible for her to have some Indian DNA but to exploit that as an identity to gain benefits is a different matter.

Many “white” folks here in the South have 2-3% African DNA but I’d imagine they’d face some ridicule & resistance if they demanded to be recognized as “black” & sought to gain benefits intended to assist minorities.

That said, if I remember correctly, the Cherokees & other tribes did adopt non-Indians into the tribe so tribal membership rather than DNA could prove she had an “Indian” ancestor.

#34 Comment By mrscracker On October 18, 2018 @ 10:05 am

Sorry, can’t even type my user name correctly this morning.
🙂

#35 Comment By Johann On October 18, 2018 @ 10:08 am

The whole idea of a blond haired blue-eyed woman claiming native american heritage on her resume is absurd, and taking the DNA test was just as absurd. But speaking of the DNA test, the results round to zero, as expected.

#36 Comment By D3F1ANT On October 18, 2018 @ 11:02 am

Hillary and Liz “…both go heavy on data and metrics, and light on common sense.”

LMAO!! You mean they both go heavy on CREATING data and metrics…not the same thing!

#37 Comment By mrscracker On October 18, 2018 @ 11:47 am

cka2nd says:

“I will just note that a friend of mine with whom I’ve since lost touch once told me that she was from the South – Georgia, I think… she was never allowed to forget that she was tainted for having even a single drop of Indian blood in her. Now, I’ve mostly read that Southerners and border folks of older generations “often brag about” having some Indian blood in them, while they hid the fact that they may also have had some “colored” ancestors, too,…”
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I’ve found that Indian ancestry is often claimed by families as a way to obscure their African ancestry. They may well have both kinds of ancestors, but only the Indian ancestry is mentioned.

Claiming to be part Indian in some locales allowed you to not be subject to segregation laws. So if you looked a little different from the rest of the “white” population you could claim a distant Indian ancestor & still attend white schools, etc. I think that type of law was in effect in VA because of Woodrow Wilson’s wife being a descendant of Pocahontas.

We have a number of plantations nearby which were owned by Creole people of color. They were very wealthy & owned numerous slaves.

One plantation’s tour guides now claim the Creole owner had Indian ancestry rather than African -I guess because the notion of people of color owning slaves has been misused in the past as a defense of slavery. But that seems a bit unfair to the Indians. Sort of throws them under the bus instead.

#38 Comment By mrscracker On October 18, 2018 @ 2:27 pm

Johann says:
“The whole idea of a blond haired blue-eyed woman claiming native american heritage on her resume is absurd…”
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I had a friend whose grandma had belonged to one of the Indian tribes & had lived on a reservation. The rest of her ancestry was European- I think Scandinavian, maybe. She had light brown hair & blue eyes. You would never have guessed she had any recent Indian ancestors, but she did & because of that she qualified for a grant to pay for college.

#39 Comment By cka2nd On October 18, 2018 @ 3:05 pm

mrscracker says: “One plantation’s tour guides now claim the Creole owner had Indian ancestry rather than African -I guess because the notion of people of color owning slaves has been misused in the past as a defense of slavery. But that seems a bit unfair to the Indians. Sort of throws them under the bus instead.”

There were Southern tribes that adopted slavery to a greater or lesser degree, the Chickasaws even more than the more famous Cherokee, Creek and Choctaw. The novelist Eric Flint discusses it extensively in his brilliant alternative history novels, 1812: The Rivers of War and 1824: The Arkansas War. I’ve gained a greater appreciation for Sam Houston, John Quincy Adams and even Andrew Jackson – Lord save my soul! – from reading and re-reading those novels.

“mrsctacker.” Hah! I’ve misspelled my user name a time or two myself.

#40 Comment By cka2nd On October 18, 2018 @ 3:10 pm

mrscracker says: “I had a friend whose grandma had belonged to one of the Indian tribes & had lived on a reservation. The rest of her ancestry was European- I think Scandinavian, maybe. She had light brown hair & blue eyes. You would never have guessed she had any recent Indian ancestors, but she did & because of that she qualified for a grant to pay for college.”

If there is anything I’ve learned, it’s that if it is even remotely possible, it’s happened, somewhere and sometime.

#41 Comment By mrscracker On October 18, 2018 @ 3:46 pm

cka2nd ,
I remember reading that Andrew Jackson adopted an Indian boy. You probably know about that, too from your reading.

One of my sons visited The Hermitage recently & they have info on their website about that:

“In 1813, Andrew Jackson sent home to Tennessee a Native American child who was found on the battlefield with his dead mother. This boy, Lyncoya, (c1811-1828), may have originally been intended as merely a companion for Andrew Jr., but Jackson soon took a strong interest in him.

Lyncoya was educated along with Andrew Jr., and Jackson had aspirations of sending him to West Point, as well. Unfortunately, political circumstances made that impossible, and he instead trained as a saddle maker in Nashville. He died of tuberculosis in 1828.”

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#42 Comment By cka2nd On October 19, 2018 @ 4:21 pm

mrscracker says: “cka2nd, I remember reading that Andrew Jackson adopted an Indian boy. You probably know about that, too from your reading.”

I did, but only vaguely. I can’t give too much credit to a person for momentary moments of grace, especially when they’re part of an overall package that is really bad, but what Flint posits in his history is that there was an opening in Jackson’s sou that might have led elsewhere, given the opportunity. Henry Clay, on the other hand, comes off badly in Flint’s hands, gifted but terribly flawed man. John Randolph and John Calhoun, on the other hand…yikes!

#43 Comment By balconesfault On October 19, 2018 @ 4:33 pm

@RR quote: “Trump owes $1 million to the charity of Elizabeth Warren’s choice.”

He should write her a check for .09% of $1 million.

A) he doesn’t need to write Warren a check. H needs to write a charity of her choice a check, if he’s a man of honor.

B) Warren never claimed to be full blooded Native American. She said that her family told of a Native American ancestor generations ago. Her claim was 100% validated by the DNA test, and a man of honor should 100% honor his commitment.

Reagan would have. Either Bush would have. Trump has no honor … I’m coming to believe that’s why so many of his fans love him.

#44 Comment By Alex (the one that likes Ike) On October 20, 2018 @ 9:58 am

Warren never claimed to be full blooded Native American. She said that her family told of a Native American ancestor generations ago. Her claim was 100% validated by the DNA test, and a man of honor should 100% honor his commitment.

Show that “validation”.

Trump has no honor … I’m coming to believe that’s why so many of his fans love him.

Nope, they love him, because, when compared to a miserable creature who didn’t shoot herself after an American ambassador was murdered by a barbaric crowd during her tenure as the Secretary of State and precisely because of her childish political games in the country where that ambassador served, Trump looks as honorable as a 19th century military officer.

That’s the problem plaguing nearly all liberals of today. You try to sound sarcastic, but your sarcasm is so hopelessly maladroit, that it’s easily and invariably beaten even with the most artless tu quoque. Tempus exolescere vobis est. Vita non ignoscit puerilitatem.

#45 Comment By mrscracker On October 22, 2018 @ 11:14 am

balconesfault says:

” Warren never claimed to be full blooded Native American. She said that her family told of a Native American ancestor generations ago.”
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My daddy told me the same story but a little family history research showed that it’s very unlikely.
With all the genealogy resources that have been available for the past decade or more, it shouldn’t be too difficult for Sen. Warren to do likewise. Records can tell you more than DNA tests sometimes.