The following is an edited excerpt from bestselling author and columnist Ann Coulter’s interview on TAC’s Right Now podcast last week, about her break with Trump, and how his administration has failed to deliver. To hear the full interview with Coulter, preceded by a conversation with Jeff Sessions, hit play on the widget below, or subscribe to our podcast on iTunes, Stitcher, Spotify, or Google Play.

TAC: You’ve been very strong in your condemnation of Trump over his endorsement of Tommy Tuberville over Jeff Sessions in the Alabama senate race. Why does this race matter to people who don’t live in Alabama, and what caused you to sour on Trump?

Coulter: That’s funny, I thought I was soft-pedaling it. I’ve just gotten really fed up. We knew Trump was a child, I did a podcast with Michael Isikoff and Dan Klaidman and they act like, as so many liberals did during the campaign, like it’s breaking news to Trump supporters that he’s a coarse, vulgar, narcissistic, egomaniacal, lazy individual. No, I grew up in New Canaan, familiar with Donald Trump in New York, well aware of him, though I have never seen an episode of The Apprentice, during the campaign it seemed like it was an actually an advantage that he was such a boorish mongrelo, because he seemed to have no interest in what the fancy people thought. We’d been voting for less immigration for 40, 50 years and the politicians will never, ever give it to us. So when you see the attacks Trump came under, it just seemed plausible to think, let’s try this. We’ve tried elegant politicians, we’ve tried well-spoken politicians, let’s try a complete joke of a candidate, because he would say things like build the wall, the Mexican rapists speech, and then he didn’t back down. Yay, hallelujah.

Turns out we didn’t get that advantage. No, his boorishness, narcissism and egomaniacal childish behavior went in all the worst directions he could possibly go in, starting with not keeping any of his promises. He was too lazy. As I pointed out in In Trump We Trust, every one of his major promises is 100 percent in the control of the president. He didn’t need Congress. They kept saying, how is he going to build the wall without Congress, and I kept saying the president is Commander-in-Chief, he has full authority to build the wall. But it turns out that would have required him to, I don’t know, make a phone call. Get up and walk to the other side of the room. Nah, I’ll just sit here and tweet Michael Moore conspiracy theories about Joe Scarborough killing his intern, that’s more fun. I’ll sit in bed eating a cheeseburger.

He could have continued to do that. I mean, look at the courts, the one bright spot of the entire Trump administration, he wouldn’t have known Brett Kavanaugh if he’d found him in his soup. He turned over the courts to the Federalist Society. That’s what we hoped he would do with his promises on immigration, on building the wall, on deporting illegals, on signing the anchor baby executive order, on ending the guest workers or indentured servitude provisions. But no, he hired none of his early supporters, he hired no one who supported the MAGA agenda, and brought in half of Goldman Sachs. The Donald Trump administration had more Goldman Sachs employees than the Bush and Obama administrations combined. That’s why we never got the ending of the carried interest loophole.

In any event, to fast forward to what I was upset about this week. Trump has a habit of creating messes for himself because he’s so easy to play. So, so easy to play. You could get him to admit to robbing a bank by sitting him down and saying, ‘we know you weren’t the brains of the operation, you were just the getaway driver,’ and he’s say, ‘No, no! I was the one who shot the bank clerk! That was me! That was my decision!’ He recently did this with coronavirus, this famed 3D chess everyone keeps telling me about. No politician wants to be in charge of reopening, because every death the media is going to leap on. So for some reason, the media got a bee in their bonnet, saying Trump has nothing to do with reopening, this is up to governors and mayors. And the next day, he holds a press conference saying it’s my decision.

After the Lester Holt interview, for some reason he gets it into his head to blame Jeff Sessions, because who technically appointed the special prosecutor? Rod Rosenstein. Rod Rosenstein was Donald Trump’s pick to be the assistant attorney general. He put Rod Rosenstein in that position, it was his choice, it was his appointee. And as for Sessions recusing himself, this always gets lied about by the Donald Trump brown-losers, it was 100% manifestly obviously required for Sessions to recuse himself from any investigations into the campaign. It wasn’t anything having to do with Russia. If it had something to do with Burisma, or something new that came up during the administration, then of course Sessions could oversee it, but he was part of the Trump campaign. The Democrats’ conspiracy theory about Trump was that his campaign conspired with Russia. Sessions was part of the Trump campaign. Of course he had to recuse himself, by law he had to recuse himself.

But this gigantic fruitcake in the Oval Office, instead of just firing Sessions, and by the way Sessions offered his resignation the day after. When Trump first came into office Sessions recommended, fire Comey right away, start with a clean slate. There would have been no Russia investigation. But he disregarded Sessions’ advice, the day after the special counsel was appointed, Sessions offers his resignation letter, Trump rejects it. Though it would have been stupid, if at any point Trump could have decided to fire Sessions. You’re the president. You’re the president. Fire him. But no. Giant fruitcake doesn’t fire him, he just taunts him, he humiliates him on Twitter, over and over and over again. So needless to say all sane, rational people hated Trump for that, they really hated Trump for that. Sessions was one of two-and-a-half members of Trump’s cabinet who wasn’t an abominable open-borders, forever war, anti-MAGA, anti-Trump person. Sessions was the greatest U.S. senator. He’s great on immigration, he’s great on crime, and apparently, according to the tweets I was reading last night from Ryan Girdusky, that’s the whole reason Jared detests Sessions.

Listen to the rest of the interview here (Coulter begins at about 38:25). 

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