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More UFO Sightings — And Navy Notices

 

Uh, what?!: [1]

A recent uptick in sightings of unidentified flying objects — or as the military calls them, “unexplained aerial phenomena” — prompted the Navy to draft [2] formal procedures for pilots to document encounters, a corrective measure that former officials say is long overdue.

As first reported by POLITICO [2], these intrusions have been happening on a regular basis since 2014. Recently, unidentified aircraft have entered military-designated airspace as often as multiple times per month, Joseph Gradisher, spokesman for office of the deputy chief of naval operations for information warfare, told The Washington Post on Wednesday.

More:

In some cases, pilots — many of whom are engineers and academy graduates — claimed to observe small spherical objects flying in formation. Others say they’ve seen white, Tic Tac-shaped vehicles. Aside from drones, all engines rely on burning fuel to generate power, but these vehicles all had no air intake, no wind and no exhaust.

“It’s very mysterious, and they still seem to exceed our aircraft in speed,” he said, calling it a “truly radical technology.”

And:

Elizondo, who ran the AATIP, said the newly drafted guidelines were a culmination of many things, most notably that the Navy had enough credible evidence — including eyewitness accounts and corroborating radar information — to “know this is occurring.”

“If I came to you and said, ‘There are these things that can fly over our country with impunity, defying the laws of physics, and within moments could deploy a nuclear device at will,’ that would be a matter of national security,” Elizondo said.

With the number of U.S. military personnel in the Air Force and Navy who described the same observations, the noise level could not be ignored.

Read it all.  [1]

This makes me think about the work of Rice University professor Jeffrey Kripal, whose book Authors Of The Impossible [3] I reviewed here [4]. Excerpt:

In the end, “Authors of the Impossible” is not a book about “The X Files” and spiritualist ooga-booga, but one about epistemology. How do we know what we know? How do we know that we are refusing to ask the right questions because we are afraid of the answers? Have we set up our modes of inquiry such that we cannot possibly penetrate these mysteries? We don’t need to toss out the rational and to embrace the irrational, he argues, but we do need more balance in our approach to these things. Writes Kripal, “Why continue to tolerate a kind of armchair skepticism that has everything to do with scientistic propaganda and nothing at all to do with honest, rigorously open-minded collection, classification, and theory building, that is, with real science and real humanistic inquiry? True enough, anomalies may be just anomalies — meaningless glitches in the statistical field of possibility. But anomalies may also be the signals of the impossible, that is, signs of the end of one paradigm and the beginning of another.”

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#1 Comment By Siarlys Jenkins On April 25, 2019 @ 10:37 pm

Do these aliens sin? Do they suffer death and sickness? Did Christ’s sacrifice on the Cross apply to them? Or did God send Jesus to another planet to die for them?

See Mark Twain’s An Excerpt From Captain Stormfield’s Visit to Heaven. “The number of worlds he has saved is like unto the gates of heaven, none can count them.”

#2 Comment By Tom Marchione On April 25, 2019 @ 10:42 pm

I was a civilian aerospace engineer for the Navy early in my career, and I can tell you firsthand that physics, aerodynamics and fluid dynamics are unforgiving things. Not to mention the limits of control system technology. For those imagining that the military has magic devices that can circumvent these things, the best I can tell you is …highly doubtful. Yes, “black” programs abound. In my day it was the new stealth technology, whose parameters led to aircraft that looked like the sci-fi contraptions that stunned people during the first Gulf War. Still, the feasibility of such aircraft was well-established long before the computer technology existed to make them possible. We knew we could build them if we could develop the requisite materials and computers. Aircraft that do what is described here are in a different category. I can assure that nobody knows how to make an aircraft do these things in principle, let alone in practice.

The Kripal quote is the important metastory here. People refuse to understand the self-imposed limitations of post-Enlightenment science, and they refuse to admit that this type of science routinely ignores evidence that cannot accommodate prevailing paradigms. If modern physics (and biology for that matter) are telling us anything, it is that this universe of ours does not submit to simplistic explanations based on the assumption that the world is as knowable and predictable as a slowly unwinding clock. It’s not. Modern science and technology are amazing things, no doubt. But they operate at a level that, in principle, is unable to explain everything that we observe.

Humans are control freaks by nature. Every human civilization wants to believe that its philosophy, its science, its accumulated knowledge, are the pinnacle of what is possible, capable of explaining everything. But no such civilization has ever existed. Instead, humans simply ignore what they cannot control. Or worship it. I have no idea what these UFO sightings are. They very well could be a foreign technology that is taking us off guard. But for that to be true, a whole lot of other highly improbably things must be true — things for which there is zero evidence. At some point we need to be willing to accept that the limits of our scientific methodology necessarily require us to relinquish the control we crave. We can try to define things away, but that doesn’t extinguish their reality.

#3 Comment By davido On April 25, 2019 @ 10:54 pm

These aren’t natural phenomena, they are extremely fast, and they’re not operating on any kind of technology we’ve ever seen. — RD]

“UFO’s” remind me a lot of the Kennedy assassination conspiracy theories. To hear them talk it is a foregone conclusion but where’s the beef? Any aliens/spacecraft/communication? Amazingly elusive – why? And the accounts/pics change over time (per popular culture?). Remember flying saucers?
And Rod, do you think the Bible is compatible with life on other planets? Does the Bible give the slightest indication of this (and why would it not if true)? There has been zero evidence of life anywhere else but Earth. Jesus will return to Israel, not Alpha Centauri.

#4 Comment By Nelson On April 25, 2019 @ 11:02 pm

Nothing can break the laws of physics except the Creator himself. That being said, we still have a lot to learn about what those laws actually are.

#5 Comment By Fran Macadam On April 25, 2019 @ 11:29 pm

Some who have the power of the air delight in deception and trickery. The best way to fool the current crop of humanity would be to always hide… but the narcissism and hubris inherent can’t resist exposing itself.

#6 Comment By Donald On April 25, 2019 @ 11:32 pm

“What I see here is not nearly strong enough to prove the very strong claim that we are being visited by space aliens. ”

So don’t claim it is space aliens without very strong evidence.

But also don’t pretend there isn’t something apparently strange going on. I get the very strong impression that most self described skeptics are as irrational as the believers on this subject. For most of us who haven’t seen anything first hand, the proper attitude to take is curious open minded agnosticism.

[NFR: Yes, that’s pretty much where I am. I have not the slightest idea if these are aliens, or if I believe in aliens. I think that there is something going on here that deserves serious consideration. Because these craft appear to behave in ways that seem physically impossible, I doubt they are secret US military projects (or Chinese ones). But I cannot even guess what they might be. Aliens is as good a guess as any, but I wouldn’t claim it. I have a couple of older friends who have had close encounters with UFOs, though not with beings. — RD]

#7 Comment By Ben H On April 25, 2019 @ 11:39 pm

For those who are interested, here is an interview with the Dr Hugh Ross mentioned by Fermi’s Paradox above (start at 12 minutes in [5] )

Most UFO sightings are military planes, mistakes of some kind or optical illusions. However there are real instances when people make contact in one way or the other with intelligent beings.

In particular he talks about the connection between contact experiences with UFO’s and Aliens and the occult. People who see aliens and talk to them are always people who have some other connection to occult practice. (this explains why hardly any astronomers see UFO’s – that sort of person isn’t typically into any kind of occult superstition)

It turns out that the UFO phenomenon isn’t new – in the 19th century people used to see super fast zeppelins and meet aliens who said they were from the dark side of the moon. As our understanding of the impossibility of life in such situations advanced the aliens/demons change their stories, claiming to be from further and further out in the solar system and the galaxy. We can see how this might be related to the fairies and little people seen in previous ages.

#8 Comment By Brendan from Oz On April 25, 2019 @ 11:59 pm

What can explain phenomena that “defy the laws of physics”?

1. An inadequate or incomplete understanding of said laws. True, but things such as aerodynamics, friction, lift, propulsion and the like have considerable evidential bases.
2. The Supernatural, whether Divine, Magical or Demonic

To me it seems that too many people like to conflate the two, and think “Alien Technology” = “Magic” because we all tend to conflate the two (eg computers etc), and our silver-screen aliens can travel faster than light, teleport and use light swords and fire kill-o-zap guns.

We have an accurate, verified sample point of one: life on Earth with one species capable of advanced technology. Earth is essentially a double-planet given the size of our moon, and tides and other effects are crucial. How common are such double-planets? None discovered elsewhere so far: gas giants appear in close in many other solar systems, while we have Jupiter, Saturn etc farther out that catch comets.

This planet also has an active magnetic core, volcanism etc.

Out of all the species that ever lived and died on this one and only example of life (so far) anywhere in the universe, only one ever developed advanced technology, and some consider this as much curse as blessing and may cause another Mass Extinction, so how long do species with advanced technology last?

The Drake Equation is useless: you can draw any line or curve you care to make up if you have a sample point of one. People just make up values to use in the equation to suit the result they want.

“We don’t know” is a good and accurate answer. I recall reading a comment by an astronomer along the lines of “If you haven’t seen anything strange in the sky you haven’t been looking”. The atmosphere creates all manner of optical illusions.

#9 Comment By galanx On April 26, 2019 @ 2:30 am

Reminds me of a cartoon:
Psychic, being interviewed:”Using my mind I can project an image of a wavy line or a triangle all the way across the room.”
Interviewer:”All that way? Wow! that’s amazing. Let me Snapchat that to send to my friend in Australia.”

#10 Comment By William Murphy On April 26, 2019 @ 4:05 am

There have been proposals around for years for super-speed aircraft using various technologies. My late aero engineer friend described certain near-science fiction proposals which were being seriously pursued years ago by various UK and US companies. It may be a few of these leading edge designs which are now being sighted in our skies. But there are all manner of weird phenomena in the sky, some of which occur only rarely under certain circumstances. Decades ago, Arthur C Clarke described one vision of a UFO shaped like a flying saucer. It was merely a rare but entirely natural focussing of magnetic fields.

#11 Comment By Rombald On April 26, 2019 @ 8:19 am

A related issue to aliens is beings that are supernatural (in some sense), but are, like humans, not clearly on the side of either God or the Devil: elves, trolls, fairies, jinn, hobgoblins of various sorts. Most cultures have believed in such beings, but how do they fit into Christianity?

I know that Islam has interesting ideas about jinn, being sort of parallel to humans, created from fire instead of earth. I would whether input from a Muslim might be interesting here?

#12 Comment By JCM On April 26, 2019 @ 9:02 am

We may live in an universe where the Fatima apparitions and extra-terrestrial visitation of the physical kind may both be true. I would have no way to reconcile that theologically.

#13 Comment By Connecticut Farmer On April 26, 2019 @ 9:45 am

@Emil Bogdan

A reasonable observation. The body of evidence is indeed “too large to dismiss”–and has been for a long time. As to what these things are and their ultimate source, physical (some kind of astronomical or atmospheric phenomena, ET etc.) or non-physical (supernatural), in the absence of firm evidence it seems to me that at present any reasonable person would have to remain at the very least an agnostic.

Bottom line: we just don’t know.

#14 Comment By RevJonathan On April 26, 2019 @ 10:44 am

Out of curiosity, Rod, since you posted the link to your 2011 review of Kripal: Over the past eight years, have you come any closer to finding a way to understand your experiences in 1994?

(Have a blessed Holy Friday!)

[NFR: I believe that my grandfather’s soul was in some sense bound to this plane until my father’s forgiveness released him. I believe that God permitted this. — RD]

#15 Comment By Ben H On April 26, 2019 @ 12:14 pm

By the way, many or maybe all of the major cults and “religions” that originated in the 20th century have had a significant UFO component.

Off the top of my head I can think of:

Scientology

That horrible Heaven’s Gate cult where they all killed themselves.

Nation of Islam (NOI isn’t Islam – seriously – there are videos of Louis Farrakhan asserting that Earth is orbited by a huge UFO that we can’t see because it is so super fast)

The Jim Jones Cult (which is weirder and more disturbingly and openly demonic than most people are aware of)

#16 Comment By Ted On April 26, 2019 @ 1:01 pm

Maybe the Simulation-runners are getting bored and want to toy with us. There’s Trump, and there’s this.

#17 Comment By Lert345 On April 26, 2019 @ 1:12 pm

A few years ago, I saw a flying object that I knew was not a plane, balloon, bird, satellite, meteor, or Superman. It was daylight and the object appeared as a black disk, very very high up, moving in wide circles at an extreme speed.

While I do believe we’re not alone, I think these folks will eventually realize there is no intelligent life on earth and move on to planets with better prospects.

Seriously, I suspect they’re watching until we mature enough for them to make contact.

#18 Comment By JEinCA On April 26, 2019 @ 2:06 pm

The Russians (and probably the Chinese and us as well) have been experimenting with military technology that induces hallucinations. It is interesting that this “uptick” began in 2014. The same year Washington decided to overthrow the President of Ukraine and set up it’s own anti-Russian junta in Kiev.

I would put my money on that explanation.

#19 Comment By Hound of Ulster On April 26, 2019 @ 3:11 pm

Strong claims require strong evidence.

Anything, in heaven, hell, and on earth, is possible in this case. Optical illusions, mis-identified aircraft of various flavors, orbiting/re-entering space junk, celestial bodies of various sorts (Venus is a common one) demonic beings, aliens, angelic visitors, the list goes on.

Discernment and caution are warranted.

#20 Comment By mike On April 26, 2019 @ 3:13 pm

At the quantum level, interacting waves and fields can create particles of matter.
Could somebody be doing this on a macro scale?
If some entity were sending out beams of energy from different locations which interact to produce matter, it would not be difficult at all to move these macro-particles at extremely high speeds.

#21 Comment By Erin M. On April 26, 2019 @ 3:28 pm

[NFR: Yes, that’s pretty much where I am. I have not the slightest idea if these are aliens, or if I believe in aliens. I think that there is something going on here that deserves serious consideration. Because these craft appear to behave in ways that seem physically impossible, I doubt they are secret US military projects (or Chinese ones). But I cannot even guess what they might be. Aliens is as good a guess as any, but I wouldn’t claim it. I have a couple of older friends who have had close encounters with UFOs, though not with beings. — RD]

Yes! This, exactly this. A real and true scientific mystery in our time. So wonderfully exciting and delicious.

As a side note Rod, you are an unusual mixture of the conservative closedness to new experience and the liberal openness (and I am talking here about the well-documented personality differences between liberal and conservative brains, not my own biases or observations). Your crunchy con side I suppose. I suspect it’s part of why you draw and retain so many liberal readers even when we disagree with you so strongly on key topics.

[NFR: I think you’re right about that. It’s a quirky combination, for sure. I’m very much like Russell Kirk, a traditional conservative who loved ghost stories because he believed in the spectral realm. — RD]

#22 Comment By Erin M. On April 26, 2019 @ 3:42 pm

What I see here is not nearly strong enough to prove the very strong claim that we are being visited by space aliens.

No one is claiming that it’s aliens. They are saying that it is an unexplained phenomenon worthy of documentation and investigation, rather than hand-waving it away as a bunch of crazy or lying pilots. That’s called science, and it’s awesome.

#23 Comment By Dr. Diprospan On April 26, 2019 @ 4:57 pm

I like Mr. Drecher’s articles about mystical phenomena in which he poses perfectly fair questions.
American conservatives are like nobody close to an adequate attitude to this difficult topic, because they traditionally allow transcendence, but value clarity of consciousness and perception. The truth is, apparently, in the gap between enthusiastic ufologists and traditional scientists focused on the reproducibility of the event.
A pharmaceutical company spends at least $ 1 billion on creating a new drug and at least 5 years of time. Each year, an electronic company like Samsung spends $ 22 billion on new technologies. Meanwhile, the problem of understanding UFOs seems more like the history of human interaction with other living beings: wheat, bees, dogs, cattle, and a horse. In order to establish the first friendly contact with the dog, it was not necessary to be necessarily rich, clever or very strong. Other qualities were necessary – first of all benevolence, patience. The process of establishing contact can stretch over millennia..
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Attempts to create artificial plasma formations are equivalent to the attempts of alchemists to create a homunculus in a flask. Nevertheless, in order to make you feel in the subject, you can take one grape, cut it in half, but not completely – open it like a book on the skin, put it on a glass plate, cover it with a glass cup. Then put the device in the microwave and turn it on. In a minute the plasmoid will appear in the glass for a split second .. This event is due to a magnetron embedded in a microwave oven.
Much more powerful magnetrons irradiate planes, determining their location.
What is a magnetron? Good question. Well, now everyone has access to Wikipedia ..

#24 Comment By Tony D. On April 26, 2019 @ 5:35 pm

Seraphim Rose (…candidate for sainthood)

Waaay off topic, but…WHAAAAT? First I’ve heard of that. I’ve stayed away from Fr. Seraphim’s writings precisely because he’s so polarizing within Orthodoxy, which is a big red flag.

#25 Comment By Dave K On April 26, 2019 @ 7:44 pm

I have a military/space background. I’m highly skeptical that the sightings described are explained by any experimental technology.

My guess would be that UFOs are possibly natural unexplained phenomenon, or of a supernatural nature. What I highly doubt is any technological explanation whether terrestrial or extraterrestrial.

#26 Comment By MarkVA On April 26, 2019 @ 7:47 pm

Evidence, however it comes to us, needs to be thought about. Especially when such thoughts lead to uncomfortable places;

Something analogous is happening in the area of Near Death Experiences – some scientists are willing to “look thru the telescope”, so to speak, others refuse;

A sure way to keep quackery out is to sift the evidence without prejudice, according to the established methods. The strength of that sifting is the strength of the resulting hypothesis.

#27 Comment By Emil Bogdan On April 26, 2019 @ 10:24 pm

Connecticut Farmer, agnosticism is a reasonable position. For me, I’m less likely to indulge in contemplating the supernatural than life on other planets, yet there’s also credible evidence for the supernatural. I never thought I would give much credence to ghosts and exorcisms, but lo and behold, my mind has become more open with time, and not based on personal experience but again due to testimonies of people who seem to have little to gain and a lot more to lose by describing their experiences. So I’m not firm on the paranormal nor on alien visitors, but I’m more inclined to lean and give the benefit of the doubt than to claim a perfectly neutral agnosticism. The sightings are numerous and share too many common elements, and we have our own “uncontacted” people here on earth, sometimes we fly helicopters over them. To some of them we’re surely aliens, or demons, mindboggling yet undeniably real. If strange but nonetheless physically present crafts are being routinely observed by pilots and bystanders and sometimes RADAR, if the government itself is concerned that these aren’t mere chimera to snicker about but may represent genuine technological opportunities and threats, then it’s also perfectly safe to assume that sentient beings engineered those things and are directing them, just as helicopters don’t make themselves and don’t fly themselves.
I’m definitely not agnostic about reflexive dismissals and reassuring tales of weather balloons and hallucinations. The data indicates neither Chinese drones nor meteors nor mirages. The evidence is of large and apparently metallic crafts, objects in the sky performing feats beyond any earthly capability. So not firmly, but I lean towards the most obvious and simple explanation: Earth isn’t the only planet capable of hosting lifeforms–advanced technology appears magical to the uninitiated–all the testimonies are highly unlikely to be indicative of mere repeated perception error–so we’re probably being visited. Yet probably doesn’t mean definitely, and probability itself exists on a spectrum.

For something even more difficult for me to accept, consider the evidence for exorcisms being real, even though most cases of possession turn out to be mental illness and are rightly dismissed–but do we just dismiss all of it as imagined? Is that reasonable? As the psychiatrist Richard Gallagher said: “Despite varying interpretations, multiple depictions of the same phenomena in astonishingly consistent ways offer cumulative evidence of their credibility.”

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He believes because he knows from direct personal experience. For me as a layperson getting this information second hand, there is lots of room between a neutral agnosticism and outright credulity. I think the reality of alien visitors as well as demonic possession is likely. How likely? Likely enough.

#28 Comment By JonF On April 27, 2019 @ 8:15 am

Re: Earth isn’t the only planet capable of hosting lifeforms–advanced

I think the above is highly likely no matter how restrictive the probabilities (which we know are not zero since we exist): the sheer number of planets in the universe is some colossally big number that ensures that even something radically rare will happen with some frequency.
BUT: those planets are all a colossal distance from us. Despite all the Star Trek/Star Wars/etc. movies and TV shows, travel between star systems is not like flying to Australia, and the speed of light really is the universe’s speed limit. If any creatures are so advanced as to be able to travel in ways that ignore that speed limit they are as unlike to us as gods, may not even be physical entities any longer, and aren’t tooling around in jazzed up space ships.

#29 Comment By MH – Secular Misanthropist On April 27, 2019 @ 10:14 am

@Ben H, don’t forget the Raëlians!

I think the claims of unknown objects seem within the realm of the possible, and worthy of investigation.

But founding dangerous religious cult is so in character for humans, making caution and restraint also worthwhile.

#30 Comment By DRK On April 27, 2019 @ 2:23 pm

I want to believe.

But.

I strongly suspect these will turn out to be natural phenomena, perhaps akin to the strange forms of lightning that occur above thunderstorms (Google “weather phenomena elves, sprites and trolls” for some pictures). We didn’t know about those until we invented planes that could go above clouds, and later, satellites.

There’s a lot we still don’t know about this blue marble we live on. It’s hard to believe that it was not until 1995 that scientists actually confirmed the existence of sudden huge “rogue waves” that occur far out to sea. That’s in spite of centuries of sailors’ tales about them.

It’s good that these cosmic tic-tacs (my nomination for the name of these phenomena) are finally being studied.

#31 Comment By Fran Macadam On April 27, 2019 @ 6:46 pm

I wonder what Malachi Martin thought.

I think those who believe they were abducted, were hostages to the Devil or his legionnaires!

In the cyber-sphere, “Death Cookies” are what cause web browsers to crash unexplained. They are around, but not round like UFOs. They are sometimes evidenced by little colored spinning disks on the horizon of your desktop, which may instantly disappear after perplexing you.

#32 Comment By Zhang Beihai On April 27, 2019 @ 8:49 pm

Trisolaran probes. See Liu Cixin: The Three-body Problem. This is not good news.

#33 Comment By Science is stranger than fiction On April 28, 2019 @ 1:25 am

I’ll just leave this here:

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#34 Comment By Science is stranger than fiction On April 28, 2019 @ 1:32 am

Craft using an inertial mass reduction device

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#35 Comment By Connecticut Farmer On April 28, 2019 @ 1:48 pm

@ Tom Marchione

Amen! I am staggered at the thought of what we don’t know. And moreover by the possibility that what we thought we knew turned out NOT to be true after all.

#36 Comment By Moone Boy On April 28, 2019 @ 6:07 pm

[11] and UFOs?

I love this place!

#37 Comment By Moone Boy On April 28, 2019 @ 6:22 pm

¡Viva Posadas!

It’s all working out to the [12] of The Great Filter, and Extra Terrestrial Socialism. And the Dolphins. And the nuclear war.

Wait… oh boo</em

#38 Comment By Moone Boy On April 28, 2019 @ 6:39 pm

Rombald says:
April 26, 2019 at 8:19 am
A related issue to aliens is beings that are supernatural (in some sense), but are, like humans, not clearly on the side of either God or the Devil: elves, trolls, fairies, jinn, hobgoblins of various sorts. Most cultures have believed in such beings, but how do they fit into Christianity?

As I recall from my teenaged pillaging of primary and secondary sources concerning medieval Irish monks and their writing of pagan myths (alright, alright – I was a lonely kid, ok?): they thought they might be the offspring of the [13] (“These were the heroes that were of old, warriors of renown.”); or might be real creatures but without human souls – even if they seemed to have personalities (our closest analogue might be artificial intelligence that could pass a Turing test).
Remember also that our neat cultural categories of “little people” (in the Celtic realms – sometimes demoted gods) and philosophical ones of natural/supernatural are the end products of long debate – those boundaries were not nearly as obvious nor real to our predecessors.

#39 Comment By Steve in WI On April 28, 2019 @ 10:43 pm

A great analysis of one significant set of sightings was just written here: [14].

I find the suggestion here that the US has some secret black tech plausible.

#40 Comment By Connecticut Farmer On April 29, 2019 @ 1:17 pm

@Steve in WI

“I find the suggestion here that the US has some secret black tech plausible.”

Plausible? Yes. But not subject to verification in as much as plausibility implies belief as opposed to empirical evidence. And the latter remains elusive. As Ben Franklin said “two people can keep a secret but only so long as one of them is dead.” It says here that if the means used to produce this phenomena actually exist, it would have been made public by now in some fashion. Indeed, if for example the folks at MIT, Cal Tech, the Max Planck Institute etc. discovered some kind of a “fifth force” (besides gravity, electromagnetism and the strong/weak nuclear forces) this would make the headlines world wide These UFOs, or whatever the hell they are, were around long before Newton and Leibnitz co-invented the calculus (which is the basic tool of modern physics). So, I find the notion of a “black tech” sealed off from the rest of the world remote–though not impossible.

#41 Comment By Dr. Diprospan On April 29, 2019 @ 2:29 pm

Aliens in material form, no matter what stage of development, no matter from what place – from the Moon, Mars or another galaxy do not answer the fundamental question: How does the Lord breathe life into atoms and molecules?
The Lord has a whole army of assistants – angels, seraphim. All these entities and the Lord himself at the head – is life or not life? Or is it another life?
For 5 millirds before the sun appeared life was or was it not? If so, then in what way did this life express itself? 60 years ago, students of the Russian Polytechnic Institute Perhap swanted to answer this question to the opening of the congress of the CPSU.
Representatives of the communist youth, atheists, not believing in God, not in the devil, not in prejudice, they went on an expedition to a place where people fixed luminous, flying formations. They decided to spend the night in the winter on the mountain, which the local tribe of hunters called the mountain of the dead, believing that this is the abode of evil spirits. The whole group of 9 people died. Died awfully. Detailed circumstances of the death classified. This year, the Russian authorities are planning to declassify documents on the tragedy on the Dyatlov Pass that happened in 1959.
100 – 200 tourists, climbers died and die now in Russia every year. No one ever classified the circumstances of their death. Even the circumstances of the death of the Russian marshal during the launch of an intercontinental ballistic missile have long been declassified. 90 servicemen were burned out with the marshal together then.
The authorities explained that the reason for the death of students was the insuperable natural circumstances. Could ball lightning be one of such circumstances?
More than 10,000 testimonies have been accumulated about the encounters of people with ball lightning. [15]
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Fireball is something related to the electromagnetic field. But man himself in the electrotechnical sense is also an electrolyte battery with billions of electrical circuits.
What we call ball lightning can demonstrate intricate behavior: it may stretch into a needle, ribbon, pass through the glass, roll into a ball again, .
In the 1980s, another group of Russian Mountaineers were attacked with a fireball high in the mountains: it flew from the tent to every other tent, leaving terrible burns on people’s limbs, but people remained alive. There are descriptions of rare cases of self-burning people in contact with ball lightning, when the body burns, but the clothing remains intact. Often, fireballs explode, but it does not seem to me that it is quite natural for them. I think that while sitting in a cozy office we didn’t often have to deal with a hornet, but probably a wasp could fly into our house. It can sting but rather it will break into the pane and die after a while.
From the dozens of testimonies of a man meeting with ball lightning one of my favorite stories is this: Once a fireball flew into the church where the service was going, but the elderly parishioner who helped the priest to clean the church was not scared – she began to “sweep” the fireball out of the church with a broom, pushed it into the street where it soon exploded.. No one was hurt, but sometimes I think this ball lightning could be sick, maybe it was trying to seek help from the congregation ..

#42 Comment By Joan from Michigan On April 29, 2019 @ 3:44 pm

I’m gonna propose another explanation just because it seems logical to me but I’ve never seen it in print: that these objects are illusions but not natural phenomena but shapes deliberately created by manipulating electromagnetic waves, both visible light and radio (the basis of radar). Having no solid elements, they would not be restrained by the physical laws governing solid objects, so they could execute all those extreme maneuvers that are beyond the capability of aircraft. The reason for creating them? Well, in a battle involving aircraft, they might be very useful as a distraction, getting the enemy to shoot at them instead of our planes, until word got out that they don’t shoot back. So, like most military secrets, they’d be useful only for a very short window of time. Conclusion: some small government agency has been keeping this technology secret for over half a century, with occasional test runs, on the off chance that it might come in handy one of these days.

#43 Comment By dp On May 4, 2019 @ 2:53 pm

_Strong claims require strong evidence_

This is not a scientific principle, but (like Ockham’s razor) a philosophical/metaphysical principle that is often used as a gatekeeper to exclude conclusions that are outside one’s prior commitments.

Scientific claims require evidence, period, no qualifiers.

_Христос воскрес_, Rod and everyone