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The Social-Media Shaming Arms Race

Reader Candles, responding to reader Ping Lin’s comments on the Petty Barbecue Tyrant story [1]:

Ping Lin: “So the busybody harasser actually gets some social punishment instead of getting off scot-free? It’s long overdue.”

I think this is a horrible set of norms and deeply corrosive to small l liberal interactions generally. It’s basically elevating the worst kind of mob impulse…

BUT if this is where we’re going to go socially, I would like for you to explain for me what would be wrong with the following action on my part.

My wife is an English professor in a R1 university. My social circle includes a LOT of humanities and social science professors, who consider me friendly. They are not shy about loudly repeating outspoken opinions around me.

I am not, however, a white progressive. In fact, I am increasingly highly white progressive critical. I consider a lot of born again politicized wokeness as deeply illiberal and divisive.

Many of the people I know, though not all, often live up to the absolute worst caricatures conservatives repeat about arrogant, ignorant, sanctimonious, anti-christian, anti-white (though they all are white themselves), anti-rural, anti-conservative, anti-Western jackasses who have a profound contempt and moral disgust for the families who pay their bills and entrust their students with them, and who aren’t shy about using their class rooms to evangelize their politics, which are, for them, the primary arena for performing morality.

I spend a great deal of time in social gatherings biting my tongue and listening to people who really, seriously deserve a comeuppance. I probably sit through 5 or 10 stray statements per social gathering that would go viral via campusreform or other higher ed critical activist networks if I were to surreptiously record and upload them talking and verify the status of the speakers, who are all professors responsible for teaching plenty of students.

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Now, I don’t do that, partially because it would be obvious it was me in smaller social gatherings, but mostly because that would be morally wrong and bad for society. I don’t think it’s the right way to deal with this problem, because any responses via social media would be highly disproportionate and unfair, and because, even though they are being jerks, they are not intending to be speaking on a public stage in that context.

But it seems to me that if we are going to abandon that older norm, of not yanking private citizens out of their local, thoughtless, private contexts and making global examples of them, then I would be a sucker to not record and share the worst of these professors to my hearts content. That would be the reasonable endpoint of all this, right?

I mean, I imagine that some people might object that, unlike the racist busybody, these professors I know aren’t actually doing anything wrong, and it would be horrible for someone like me to subject them to the whims of a hateful mob. But the magic of mob justice is, if I disagree, and I can find a mob who agrees with me, then your objections really don’t matter one whit, because this is between me, the professors I record, and the mob I can find as an audience.

 

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#1 Comment By Anonymous On May 15, 2018 @ 3:35 pm

Candle absolutely should start doing this. What’s the alternative, allow the Left to sic angry mobs on anyone they deem racist with impunity? It’s not like they’re going to change their ways if you don’t fight back. You could do some serious damage if you exposed these professors for the bigots they are, especially if they’re employed by public universities, who have to answer to state legislators and governors.

#2 Comment By Adamant On May 15, 2018 @ 3:44 pm

“But it seems to me that if we are going to abandon that older norm, of not yanking private citizens out of their local, thoughtless, private contexts and making global examples of them, then I would be a sucker to not record and share the worst of these professors to my hearts content. That would be the reasonable endpoint of all this, right?“

I can’t imagine anything less private than being in a public park and calling the police. It’s a ridiculous to compare it to private, intimate conversations.

#3 Comment By Siarlys Jenkins On May 15, 2018 @ 3:51 pm

Michelle Snider is a racist. First, in trying to ostentatiously be a white anti-racist, she is putting some value on her pale tan skin with a little pink showing through. If she were not a racist, this really wouldn’t matter to her and she wouldn’t have gone to all the trouble to parade around showing off what an anti-racist white person she is. Second, coming upon a situation she knows nothing about, she jumped to the conclusion that this was all about the skin colors of the people involved. It may be true, but to assume it is THE operative cause is racist.

Someone who was not racist would care no more about the color of their own skin or that of anyone else present, only about the actions and words of the people involved.

Candles should go ahead and shock people. I shock Pentecostal friends by asserting that evolutionary biology is a set of facts and God must have known about it all the time. I shock liberal friends either by the fact that I believe in God, or that I’m leery of the narcissism in the gay movement and agnostic about same sex marriage. Not against it, just not all that concerned either way. Go ahead, shock your friends. If you lose a friend over it, they were never really your friend anyway. I haven’t lost any yet.

#4 Comment By Matt in VA On May 15, 2018 @ 3:55 pm

BUT if this is where we’re going to go socially, I would like for you to explain for me what would be wrong with the following action on my part.

Liberals don’t care about justifying themselves by answering your hypothetical because they know that you won’t do anything, and that even if you did, the fallout would quite likely be worse for you than for them. It doesn’t matter that they say obnoxious things all the time in front of someone who’s not a fellow white liberal. They know that they can punish you socially more easily than you can punish them, if you try anything.

Now, I don’t do that, partially because it would be obvious it was me in smaller social gatherings, but mostly because that would be morally wrong and bad for society.

The first part of this sentence is all that needs to be true for liberals to keep doing what they do. They know that they run an extremely low risk of anything like this happening because the vast majority of people like you fear being found out if you try it, and if you do try it anyway, they can punish you worse socially than it is likely you can punish them. That is what having social power and social capital means.

But it seems to me that if we are going to abandon that older norm, of not yanking private citizens out of their local, thoughtless, private contexts and making global examples of them, then I would be a sucker to not record and share the worst of these professors to my hearts content. That would be the reasonable endpoint of all this, right?

I’m sure there are plenty of people out there who find liberal sanctimony tedious and offensive and who are not as purely motivated and golden-rule-following as you are. Yet the very behavior of these professors — the incredible frequency of their sanctimonious bull**** — is a testament to the fact that they don’t, in fact, have to worry too much about being recorded and publicly shamed. I bet they say the same things in front of whole classrooms of kids all the time, without vetting their politics first — because they actually have a quite accurate sense of where power lies in our society. I think you overestimate how easy it would be to actually rouse a mob against these people in a way that would do them permanent damage. After all, academia is the place where you have literal Communists with tenure and job security for life organizing to get twenty-year-olds playing at being white nationalists fired from their jobs at Subway or Kohl’s or wherever for mean Twitter posts. There is a tremendous power imbalance here. What’s likely to happen if you were to act is that, at most, Campus Reform does an indignation post about the professor, the professor digs in, and everybody forgets about it in a week. Meanwhile, they figure out it was you and they make your life hell from then on– in the actual community in which you live, in the environment in which your wife has to work every day, etc.

I honestly find this “Oh, I hear the worst all the time, and I could respond to it, but I don’t do anything, because I’m such a Good Person, not like those liberals!” shtick from conservatives incredibly tiresome. The modern-day Respectable Conservative always, but always, but always backs down, and he always, but always, but always, loudly tells himself and others that he’s backing down because he’s such a Good Noble Christian and so large-souled. This is itself a form of sanctimony and dishonesty.

#5 Comment By Matt in VA On May 15, 2018 @ 4:11 pm

I spend a great deal of time in social gatherings biting my tongue and listening to people who really, seriously deserve a comeuppance. …Now, I don’t do that, partially because it would be obvious it was me in smaller social gatherings, but mostly because that would be morally wrong and bad for society.

Why should we trust your self-reported reasons for not doing anything, reasons which flatter you?

Why not instead look at American conservatism (or non-liberalism) writ large over the last few decades, its record of folding to liberalism on just about every battlefield, its inability to conserve anything, and say, instead, that perhaps the reason these sanctimonious liberal professors don’t have to worry much is because conservatives are cowards?

#6 Comment By Egypt Steve On May 15, 2018 @ 4:23 pm

The list of reasons to hate social media never stops growing. Hopefully Facebooking etc. is a fad, like swallowing goldfish. Hopefully.

#7 Comment By AB On May 15, 2018 @ 4:24 pm

Candles should do the traditional thing: put all this in his diary for posterity.

The historian David McCullough said that any American that wants to can be very famous. Nobody keeps diaries anymore. Do that, and leave it to the Library of Congress when you die and historians will quote you forever.

#8 Comment By Jonathan On May 15, 2018 @ 4:33 pm

“There’ll be the breaking of the ancient western code, / Your private life will suddenly explode. . .”

Leonard Cohen, 1992. “The Future” is a really great song. If you don’t know it, you should. An anthem for our time.

#9 Comment By charles cosimano On May 15, 2018 @ 4:56 pm

Be thou as Uncle Chuckie. Be so shameless that they are powerless. All one need do is laugh and say, “And they say that as if I would care.”

There is of course another response. “I suggest that you acquire the services of a good attorney. You will need one.”

#10 Comment By MKW On May 15, 2018 @ 5:00 pm

Remember, the purest form of democracy is the angry mob.

#11 Comment By Lee Penn On May 15, 2018 @ 5:08 pm

More from the same song by Cohen:

“Give me back the Berlin wall
give me Stalin and St Paul
I’ve seen the future, brother:
it is murder.

Things are going to slide, slide in all directions
Won’t be nothing
Nothing you can measure anymore
The blizzard, the blizzard of the world
has crossed the threshold
and it has overturned
the order of the soul”

“Your servant here, he has been told
to say it clear, to say it cold:
It’s over, it ain’t going
any further
And now the wheels of heaven stop
you feel the devil’s riding crop
Get ready for the future:
it is murder”

There is more, and some of that is NSFW. but nevertheless, Cohen saw what was coming … in 1992.

#12 Comment By Bob Sberry On May 15, 2018 @ 5:19 pm

Matt in VA
What do you suggest we do?

#13 Comment By Celery On May 15, 2018 @ 5:46 pm

Candles disagrees with others and chooses to be resentful instead of learning how to share his point in a non-confrontational way. OK, his choice. He could also stop attending gatherings with his wife’s annoying (to him) friends. But then he couldn’t look down on others.

#14 Comment By MK On May 15, 2018 @ 6:14 pm

Good article. I find it timely. As a traditional person, I’ve been censoring my speech since gradeschool. I find it no big deal. Just have to be more clever than the libs in how you express yourself. That’s easy.

It’s actually quite an advantage. I’ve become a hard target. Libs? Soft, weak, and vulnerable. As the commentator shows; they have no idea what’s headed their way, since libs so often eat their own and the wind changes day-to-day. Look at the trans BS. Like the French Revolution, sooner or later the guillotine comes back to you. The conservative is ready. The liberal is ripe for slaughter.

I do actively teach my kids on this though because they are naturally innocent and naive. My standard line? Hey, you can easily prove X is true (say about race or religion or gender or science or whatever is the latest truth liberals make taboo) you just can’t say it. It’s like a game, just be more clever than the other guy. And of course explain this is why you never invite libs to frankfurter parties, so you can have fun in peace (without watching your speech!). It’s not a bad deal; life ain’t perfect, but it’s better than Russia or China.

On a sidenote: I’ve been surprised to find abortion a very accurate litmus test for who is “safe” to speak openly around. Pro-life? I can usually find enough common logical ground. Pro-abort? Watch out!

#15 Comment By Jackie Treehorn On May 15, 2018 @ 6:24 pm

I have no problem in theory with what “Candles” is saying, although it seems an awful lot of work to go through instead of just ignoring those you disagree with, like we used to do.

If you don’t want to be shamed don’t be a jerk and do things like:

Call the police on a black family for barbecuing in the ‘wrong’ spot.
Entertain the ‘thought experiment’ of hanging 1 in 4 American women.
Say asinine things like ‘slavery was a choice’.

Social media is an enormous megaphone. The solution is to learn to restrain your worst impulses lest you face the ire of the mob and social shunning. If you must be reprehensible, at least do so in private – although technology is rapidly making privacy a pipe dream as well. You can complain about it, but it’s not going to change for you.
Self-policing is indeed the best policing.

#16 Comment By LouB On May 15, 2018 @ 6:44 pm

The left has the podium.
They can shout to the hills if they want.
As they say, make hay while the sun shines…

#17 Comment By Julie Gould On May 15, 2018 @ 8:05 pm

Try to be like the angels, not like the demons. If you do the work of demons — accusing, sneaking, destroying, tormenting — you will receive their wages.

#18 Comment By Eric Mader On May 15, 2018 @ 8:23 pm

The capability that smart phones and social media give us to 1) demonize the other by displaying his/her bad behavior even as we 2) garner attention for ourselves through shares and “likes” is toxic. Film an ugly exchange or petty squabble, upload it with a few sentences of commentary, and watch the love pour in. An interesting question that may have been taken up in the TNC thread (I haven’t read all the comments) is this: What would general communal solidarity be in America at present if America weren’t digitized? It’s almost certain we’d be a more unified country. The lure of fame that social media offers is just too great to resist for most of us. If we can document and send some minor outrage out into the web knowing that our story may gain traction and that our personal name will be attached to said story, far too many will jump at the chance. We’re creatures of such ego that probably we never should have been given this temptation to begin with.

Of course this toxic social/digital dynamic has been widely commented and was likely taken up in the Barbecue Busybody thread too. I didn’t read all the comments there. But given the facts on the ground, the stew we’re being cooked in, what are we to do? Social media is often reprehensible, the Internet itself is, but is just refusing to play along the wiser solution? Can we really just insist on refusing to stir this particular pot? Can we defend what’s left of Christian/Western culture by just ceding the whole social media territory?

While I see the digital toxicity and lament that this is how it is, I also think Matt in VA’s comment above is spot on:

Why not instead look at American conservatism (or non-liberalism) writ large over the last few decades, its record of folding to liberalism on just about every battlefield, its inability to conserve anything, and say, instead, that perhaps the reason these sanctimonious liberal professors don’t have to worry much is because conservatives are cowards?

There’s nothing to be done but document, condemn, and widely publish the insanity of the SJW crowd. Sad to say, but if the illiberal incident in question is not downright petty, it should be called out to as large an audience as cares to listen. Ugly, huh? But what other route is there? The only hope we have (for our Christian culture, as well as for any future liberty) is in prodding people to recognize just how narrow and corrosive and illiberal the left has become. We need as many people on board as possible recognizing this left for what it is and saying No. Still far too many Americans seem to believe the problem is confined to campuses or that “these SJWs, in any case, won’t eventually be coming for me.”

Rod’s blog itself is probably at least 60% a matter of finding incidents and presenting them to the conservative reader so as to rally resistance to SJW insanity. If the incidents Rod documents also manage to stoke his readers’ rage, how could it be otherwise?

I loathe racism as probably the lowest and dumbest lens through which to interpret humanity. But when left-liberals champion obsessive hotheads like Ta-Nehisi Coates, when a huge chunk of the left’s whole spiel is race race race, the “plague of whiteness”, etc., etc., when a wide swath of the white population itself is buying into it–well, what can be done in response except take up the issue of race, at least now and then? If only to call them out on their own racism.

All of it is sad, far too much of it centers on petty non-events, but since this is the territory the left chooses to attack from, what can be done in defense? One can’t always choose the battlefield.

Or: It’s an ugly bull, no doubt, be we still need to take it by the horns.

#19 Comment By G On May 15, 2018 @ 9:38 pm

I think Matt in VA pretty much nailed it: this is the wrong tactic for conservatives to use on the playing field, such as it is in 2018.

Why bother recording what is said in private when much the same is said by liberals publicly? For example, weren’t the going on’s at Reed College filmed and put all over the Internet? That didn’t seem to shame anyone into changing their behavior…

Why not just walk into any liberal arts classrom with a tape recorder and post everything you hear online? Because conservatives will say “See? See! This is everything that we’ve been complaining about for years and years”; while liberals and the administrators will respond with “Meh, what’s the big deal?” — nothing will change.

Conservatives need better tactics, but more importantly we need to figure out among ourselves what battles are worth fighting.

#20 Comment By KyleW On May 15, 2018 @ 10:01 pm

And… the fact that the usual crop of leftists turn up on a post like this to say, essentially, “Well, if you don’t want mob justice, don’t deserve it!” is why we, as a society, are more or less screwed.

#21 Comment By Hammock On May 15, 2018 @ 10:06 pm

I commented on the Petty BBQ Tyrant post that shaming really only works in a constructive way when 1) the shamed and shamers have a pre-existing relationship, and especially when there is a mutual respect between them; and 2) when the shamed have an opportunity to atone for/make good on their wrongdoing; and that ultimately, the exact nature of the behavior triggering the shaming is very important.

Condition 1) doesn’t hold in many of these cases, either because no relationship exists and/or because the (progressive) shamers have no actual respect for their targets.

Condition 2) is also uncommon, and when it does happen, it often takes the form of an auto da fe, where the shamed’s perspective or side has no validity.

It’s been a mixed bag regarding the cause of the shaming–in some cases it’s innocuous, in other cases truly bad behavior, yet the viciousness of the shaming is usually way out of proportion with the offense.

I think Matt in VA is right that the extremist progressives generally have no intention of being fair or justifying themselves. Where does that leave us?

What I might recommend to Candles is:
1) follow Anonymous’ advice and record/video and send to state legislators. I’m loathe to get politicians involved in the inner workings of universities, but this is a case that calls for intervention. If students and parents are too scared to do anything, and alumni too wrapped up in their own lives, legislators may be the only ones with any power to do anything. Also, encourage legislators to promote programs to help young people get a good career start without attending college.
2) Recruit like-minded students and send their parents recordings. Alternatively, why not organize student boycotts of these classes? (I know why, but it’s just an idea)
3) Send recordings to any alumni who would not approve of this.
4) Sending to friendly media/watchdog organizations can be helpful, but by all means, try to keep the mob out of it. Mob justice is too often unjust itself, and mobs have a tendency to get out of control quickly…

If these professors really deserve a comeuppance, the only way they’re going to get one is if some group of people who can exert pressure on them knows what they’re doing. Unless that happens, they’ll continue to mock, denigrate, abuse, and worse. Indeed, a lack of resistance often increases disdain and disrespect for one’s opponents.

This kind of aggressive public shaming/private mockery is absolutely poisonous to societies, and there’s no way this kind of behavior ends well. Involving social media/the mob should be avoided at just about all costs. The problem is that if you try to take the “high road” against someone who doesn’t, then it’s very likely you’ll be defeated. Like the scene in Game of Thrones when Bronn kills the Vale knight in the trial by combat: when the Queen blasts Bronn for not fighting with honor, he gestures to the dead Vale knight and says “he did.” You’ll need to decide whether you’re willing to be abused and lose ever more influence in society, yet keep your virtue, or take effective action that may not be especially virtuous.

Very strong personalities can make the virtuous path far more attractive than the nasty, self-serving one–and we should always strive to embody the Golden Rule and promote virtue–but these are not common and probably not enough.

Probably the best bet to defusing this cultural chemical warfare is to lead by example, but go after the people who promote the toxicity hard.

#22 Comment By charles cosimano On May 15, 2018 @ 11:48 pm

The way to silence social media is simple–legislation expanding the laws on harrassment. If the lynch mob starters are jailed–end of social lynching. Just lock them up.

#23 Comment By Josh Gibson On May 16, 2018 @ 8:53 am

I did a presentation at an academic conference on the subject of race recently. My audience was approximately ninety-seven percent white. I wasn’t surprised. I am convinced a large number of white people are perplexed by the racial animus they see in our society. They were seeking answers.

I asked is race popular subject. Several of my participants firmly answered no. I realized they misunderstood what I was asking so I rephrased the question asking is it a much discussed subject. Then I found agreement. The audience also agreed it is a controversial subject.

I have a theory I am beginning to share with other academics that argues we are exactly where we should be when it comes to race in America. I further argue what we are seeing right now is grounds for optimism about the future of race relations in this country and about the future of America in general.

I’m not sure I convinced them, but I did get some very good questions about my material and several compliments on what I had to say. I know it feels like race is tearing the country apart at times and if you are white you can do no right, but I think this is a short term view of a long term movement towards greater equality in America. Just my two cents.

#24 Comment By kgasmart On May 16, 2018 @ 9:27 am

There’s nothing to be done but document, condemn, and widely publish the insanity of the SJW crowd. Sad to say, but if the illiberal incident in question is not downright petty, it should be called out to as large an audience as cares to listen. Ugly, huh? But what other route is there?

Violence. That’s where all this goes.

#25 Comment By Centralist On May 16, 2018 @ 10:46 am

A lot of you seem focused on liberals but many so called conservatives do this too. Its the extremists on both sides kind of like the olden street fights. The battles have moved from the actually streets to the information highway the results though still leave scared people. David French was on the receiving end of such a campaign. A lot of people are literally saying “no true Scotsman” arguments I feel.
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#26 Comment By Fran Macadam On May 16, 2018 @ 11:20 am

“I probably sit through 5 or 10 stray statements per social gathering that would go viral via campusreform or other higher ed critical activist networks if I were to surreptiously record and upload them talking…”

No, no, no. YOU are the one who would be viciously and mercilessly destroyed — and fired.

#27 Comment By Franklin Evans On May 16, 2018 @ 12:24 pm

“Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.”
— Isaac Asimov

Dialogue, logic in support of an argument, researching objective facts and accurately reporting them, that and other attributes of what used to be journalism in out society have proven just too difficult for the “average” citizen to attempt, let alone accomplish.

We are an incompetent society. I see no reason to be surprised by verbal and too often physical violence in contexts where even the violent can be heard to say (in hindsight): “Why couldn’t we just talk about this?”

#28 Comment By cka2nd On May 16, 2018 @ 2:38 pm

I’d much rather Candles stood up for himself and replied to some of those stray statements, which I would find honorable, than surreptitiously record and then release them, which would be horribly dishonorable. I recently had an argument on a sports blog with someone over religion and said the following (leaving out my curses; I was really angry after reading the back and forth between two or three people egging each other on):

“Also, I’ve been an atheist for over 30 years, I’ve defended abortion clinics against Operation Rescue and escorted women past ‘sidewalk counselors,’ but the one-sided, simple-minded caricature of Christianity I’ve read here is an insult to the people of faith who put their bodies on the line to end first slavery and then Jim Crow, build the labor movement, oppose war and nuclear proliferation, and fight for human rights against dictatorships (often backed by their own church hierarchy; oh, look, a position recognizing more than one side of a question!) and U.S. imperialism.”

After some back and forth, I concluded with:

“And a simplistic view of religion is no better than a simplistic view of economics or politics. If you are a teacher, I would hope that any lesson plan on religion in your classroom would ultimately cover not just the Inquisition but also Martin Luther King, Jr., not just Islamist terrorism but also John Brown, not just Joe Scheidler and Scott Roeder but also Maura Clarke, Ita Ford, Dorothy Kazel and Jean Donovan.”

I imagine those last six names caused some googling, but in a face-to-face discussion, I’d have said “not just abortion clinic bombers and murderers but the four American missionaries raped and murdered in El Salvador in 1980.”

I get very hot under the collar when I hear “new atheist” types like Sam Harris and Bill Maher disparage religious folk with their wide, ignorant brushes, and feel no compunction about shaming them to their faces with the best, the finest people of faith I’ve ever known or heard of.

[NFR: I really appreciate this comment. — RD]

#29 Comment By Steve Pickard On May 16, 2018 @ 2:57 pm

I am a liberal East coast secular elitist. My family live in Kansas and are all conservative evegelical creationist. Over the years they and their friends discuss conservative views with me in the same way liberals discuss things in front of conservative. Over the years I have learned to keep quiet and just listen. They do not care what I might contribute to their knowledge about other points of view. I am sure that it is just human nature that we want to win the argument rather than learn. So do not think that liberals have a corner on being bull headed. Next time one has a discussion just ask ” is this an argument that you want to win or learn. We all have the same results.

#30 Comment By Seven sleepers On May 18, 2018 @ 11:03 pm

“Many of the people I know, though not all, often live up to the absolute worst caricatures conservatives repeat about arrogant, ignorant, sanctimonious, anti-christian, anti-white (though they all are white themselves), anti-rural, anti-conservative, anti-Western jackasses who have a profound contempt and moral disgust for the families who pay their bills and entrust their students with them, and who aren’t shy about using their class rooms to evangelize their politics, which are, for them, the primary arena for performing morality.”

So true. Killer pgraph here. So so so true for me

Academia is not the place where smart people go. It is the place where those with a desire to have a captive audience go. When they get that audience, boy do they use it.

And is it any wonder that the natural selection for University positions are MASSIVELY and OVERWHELMINGLY over represented by dweebs who were bullied and sanctimonious in high school? Might it be the shortest stroll in the world then to understand that the burning hatred academics have for ‘Merica is the total lack of love that High School was for them? Vengeance is sweet.

Time to pay back the dumb jocks and ignorant prom queens, in their backwater bible churches and hypocritical parties. I’ll show them!

Why didnt I get to go to my prom!!!

#31 Comment By Siarlys Jenkins On May 19, 2018 @ 10:17 pm

the absolute worst caricatures conservatives repeat about arrogant, ignorant, sanctimonious, anti-christian, anti-white (though they all are white themselves), anti-rural, anti-conservative, anti-Western jackasses

These are people who never tried to build the slightest semblance of a labor movement. You can’t afford such luxuries if you’re doing work in the real world. It is entirely possible to coalesce a lot of Okies and Arkies and people of various shades of African and Indian descent, Mexicans, a few Japanese, and some Polish immigrants and even bring a few anti-Castro Cubans and Puerto Rican Hawaiians on board… but you DON’T act sanctimonious to ANYONE and you don’t even THINK about anyone as a jackass, except for the inevitable mooches, who nobody else of any color has any respect for.

The sanctimonious self-hating “white” liberals from the nearest college campus are nowhere to be seen, and IF they show up for a day or so, they never come back, because they’re afraid of getting mugged on the way to or from. With their attitudes, that’s not an entirely unrealistic fear either.