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Stasi Doping Made This Girl A Man

Last night I watched the first episode [1] of a three-part BBC documentary series titled The Lost World Of Communism, which aired in 2009. It was a portrait of life in East Germany. It was pretty interesting. The most shocking thing was the part (starts 34:20) about Andreas Krieger [2]. As Heidi, Krieger was a medal-winning East German athlete who received massive doses of anabolic steroids, starting when she was only 16. She was unaware of what was happening to her. Krieger blames the steroids for making her male. Eventually she underwent a sex change operation. She tells the BBC that as a teenager, her sexuality was fluid, and that she believes that because of this secret state hormone dosing, “I switched over to the masculine side.”

“I realized they’d made a lab rat out of me, because they saw my potential,” Krieger says. “East Germany has taken my life away from me, and without asking.”

Naturally we recoil in horror at what the totalitarian state did to this minor without her consent or knowledge. But you know, minors in our culture today can not meaningfully consent to hormone-dosing any more than Heidi Krieger did. Yet our doctors conspire openly with parents of these children to jack them up with hormones too, with the express purpose of altering their sex.

It’s not the Stasi doing it here; it’s mom and dad.

And as in East Germany, it is supported by the ruling class. Just the other day, NBC News’s LGBT advocacy web channel reported that the Biden Foundation is helping support a campaign to promote trans children acceptance [3]. When even 76-year-old Joe Biden, the former Democratic vice president, is foursquare behind promoting sex changes for children, you have to wonder what special kind of madness has descended upon the left-wing elites. Naturally, the media propaganda factory churns out cheerful “news” normalizing this stuff too.

In his book The Demon in Democracy [4], Ryszard Legutko writes:

When we look at communism and liberal democracy from this point of view, we can see that they are both fuelled by the idea of modernization. In both systems a cult of technology translates itself into acceptance of social engineering as a proper approach to reforming society, changing human behavior, and solving existing social problems. This engineering may have a different scope and dynamics in each case, but the society and the world at large are regarded as undergoing a continuous process of construction and reconstruction. In one system this meant reversing the current of Siberia’s rivers, in the other, a formation of alternative family models; invariably, however it was the constant improvement of nature, which turns out to be barely a substrate to be molded into a desired form. Although today’s ideology of environmentalism fashioned idolatrous reverence for the earth and its fauna and flora, it did not change the enthusiasm for treating human nature and society in a dangerously technological manner.

I hope I live long enough to see justice done for these child victims of their own parents and family doctors.

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#1 Comment By 11bravo On February 12, 2019 @ 1:49 am

They are ghouls!! Just look at the progressives and the late term abortion promotions going on today. A governor of NY and VA just come right out and promote this monstrous view.
The trans-world and the LGBTQ community are getting waay too much play these days. It is only intuition, and common sense that a child should at least go through puberty before makin DRASTIC life altering decisions. Set the age at 18.

#2 Comment By charles cosimano On February 12, 2019 @ 2:57 am

Poor Legutko. He did not know the inspiration for reversing the rivers in Siberia came from reversing the flow of the Chicago River, which was considered one of the greatest engineering feats of its time, but then one gets the impression that he does not know much about anything and only manages to attempt to twist every aspect of life to fit his bizarre ideology.

What can be done will be done and the objections of the Legutkos of this world will not stop them.

#3 Comment By Richard2 On February 12, 2019 @ 5:25 am

The fate of Andreas Krieger was not a planned change of sex. On the contrary the East German athletic authorities wanted to keep Heidi female so she could compete in competitions restricted to women. At the worst they may not have cared whether the doping might eventually kill her so long as she won.

Otherwise the doping caused Heidi to develop some superficially masculine characteristics. But once she realized what had been done to her, she was in no way compelled to seek a sex change operation. She could more easily have sought treatment to improve her overall health and to make herself appear more feminine. So perhaps adopting a male identity gave Andreas his best chance to find some happiness after the extensive damage which had been done to his body, but that was neither the easiest nor the safest choice. And the differences in age and in present health probably make any comparison of Andreas’ choice to that of U.S. children now seeking sex changes pretty much worthless.

#4 Comment By ludo On February 12, 2019 @ 5:56 am

But it’s seemingly not only a ‘left-wing’ phenomenon, one ostensibly sees it in the case of the religiously right-wing Iranian regime’s compulsion of male homosexuals to undergo sex change operations:

“The Safra Project report further states that currently, it is not possible for presumed transgender individuals to choose not to undergo surgery – if they are approved for sex reassignment, they are expected to undergo treatment immediately. Those who wish to remain “non-operative” (as well as those who cross-dress and/or identify as genderqueer) are considered their gender assigned at birth, and as such they are likely to face harassment as being homosexuals and subject to the same laws barring homosexual acts.”

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In the definitionaly religiously conservative case of the Islamic Republic of Iran, it appears that the effective ‘regimist’ philosophy is what one might call one of “Edenic correctivity”: a prelapsarian return via permanent surgical method to a religio-biological ‘naturality’ approximative of Islamically idealized scenes and instances of psychological, societal, and familial tranquility and stability: in short, acts directed–quite imperfectly, to be sure–towards both a comparative and telic view of Eden.

In other words, one is dealing in the Iranian exmaple with the establishment of medico-political measures in the service of a hyper-corrective authoritarian religiosity, focused on both a comparative and telic regard for ‘paradisus’ (in itself ultimately an Iranian term): that spatially (i.e. geographic/political) foundational promise-holder of the panaceaic diffusion and solution of all tensions, problems, and contradictions afflictive of human psychology, biology, and society: the potential answer–as utopian space, place, and power–to the potential problem of humanity, to humanity as an otherwise ‘mysterium inexplicabile.’

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The point is that this is far from limited to left-wing politics, to the West, or anything conceivable as such (think millennial tradition of eunuchs in the East).

P.S. The German theologian Rudolf Otto seems to discuss something similar to the Khomeinian view to such mysteries, which are simultaneously both human and necessarily beyond the human, when he writes: “The feeling of it may at times come sweeping like a gentle tide, pervading the mind with a tranquil mood of deepest worship…It has its wild and demonic forms and can sink to an almost grisly horror and shuddering. It has its crude, barbaric antecedents and early manifestations, and again it may be developed into something beautiful and pure and glorious.* It may become the hushed, trembling, and speechless humility of the creature in the presence of—whom or what? In the presence of that which is a Mystery inexpressible and above all creatures.

*(The solution to the problem posed by the transgender subject through ‘biologized’ religiosity?)

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#5 Comment By Kirt Higdon On February 12, 2019 @ 6:55 am

Agree with Legutko. This is not a problem of communism, socialism, or democracy. It’s all three and any other ideology derived from the anti-Christian Enlightenment.

#6 Comment By Gail Finke On February 12, 2019 @ 8:24 am

I hope I live long enough to see it too. Last week our local newspaper ran a story about a mother who sent “it’s a boy!” announcements after her teen daughter’s “coming out party,” featuring a photo of her, with friends, dressed as a boy and holding party balloons. On the social media version of the story, people were gushing about how accepting and loving the mother was. I remarked that it was terribly sad that this girl was not getting real help for her serious problems, and that this was child abuse and that the newspaper was complicit — hardly anything new, as I had dropped my subscription a few years ago after a glowing tribute to a family from Canada who had brought their adopted son here for “transgender” treatments at our children’s hospital. He was 11. The paper ran photos of him wearing a woman’s high heels, baking cookies, etc. I don’t know whether I was banned or not, I didn’t get any replies so probably they have banned me at last. I hope that when these kids sue, they get millions and millions. But who will give them their childhoods and lives back? No one.

#7 Comment By GaryH On February 12, 2019 @ 8:54 am

“I hope I live long enough to see justice done for these child victims of their own parents and family doctors.”

The Western Elites, hardcore Liberals, embraced the Marxists from failed eastern European Marxist states. There was no de-Marxification, much less executions and prison sentences – the Marxists were kissed on the cheeks.

Joe Stalin may have won World War II, buy Leon Trotsky won the Cold War.

#8 Comment By Fran Macadam On February 12, 2019 @ 9:13 am

I’ll never get used to it.

#9 Comment By TR On February 12, 2019 @ 9:40 am

I wrote a comment asking you what you thought justice would look like in this case, because I couldn’t envision it. But I erased it because it suddenly dawned on me that as soon as these kids start turning eighteen, any who feel they were victimized will be free to use the tort system. Ultimately, plaintiff’s attorneys may create enough of a “chilling effect” to end juvenile sex change operations.

#10 Comment By Al Bundy On February 12, 2019 @ 10:05 am

Steve Sailer has been speculating for some time that performance enhancing hormones are at least partly behind the gender insanity.

Regardless of what you think about the progress of mankind, we live in a world that is radically out of whack with our DNA. There are are thousands of plausible explanations for gender dysphoria–steroids would be a good start. But nobody has the freedom to pursue them. Sociologists are too busy studying whiteness and scientists don’t want to be condemned publicly. So, all we get is “acceptance.”

#11 Comment By Kurt Gayle On February 12, 2019 @ 10:40 am

The headline “Stasi Doping Made This Girl A Man” masks the far more nuanced story of Heidi (Andreas) Krieger. As the New York Times’ Jere Longman reported on Jan. 26, 2004:

“Heidi Krieger [was] the 1986 European women’s shot-put champion…The taking of pills and injections of anabolic steroids created virile features and heightened confusion about an already uncertain sexual identity, Krieger said, influencing a decision to have a sex-change operation [11 years later] in 1997…At 16, Heidi [born 1966] began to receive round blue pills wrapped in foil. This was the steroid Oral-Turinabol…Six months later, Heidi’s clothes no longer fit and she felt ‘like the Michelin Man or a stuffed goose,’ Krieger said. By the time she was 18, she weighed 220 pounds, had a deep voice, increased body and facial hair and appeared mannish…[In 1990 East Germany dissolved itself as a state and in 1991 reunited with West Germany.] In 1991, Heidi’s career ended…Retired, unemployed, the social safety net of her country [East Germany] no longer available to soften her fall after reunification, Heidi began to experience a deepening sense of dislocation, despair and ambiguity about her sexual identity. She never had a relationship with a man. She did have relationships with two women, but did not consider herself a lesbian, Krieger said. By 1994, Heidi grew so depressed one day that she filled her tub with water and sat inside with a razor blade, intending to slit her wrists, seeing the blood flow in her mind, Krieger said. At that moment, Heidi’s dog, a shepherd named Rex, nuzzled her arm, signaling it was time for a walk. ‘’The dog nudged me with that cold nose and it was like a shock, like I woke up from a dream,’ Krieger said. In 1995, Heidi met a transsexual and began considering a sex-change operation, Krieger said. Two years later, she had her breasts removed and underwent a hysterectomy and other surgical procedures to begin the process of becoming a man known as Andreas…Although the complex decision to have a sex change could not precisely be connected to steroids, the psychologist [American psychologist, Dr. Steven] Ungerleider said, ‘’Emotional fallout from high levels of testosterone can make people unsure who they are’.”

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#12 Comment By Siarlys Jenkins On February 12, 2019 @ 11:06 am

Careful Rod… this story also supports that claim that sexuality really is fluid.

In a limited sense of course, it is. The basic human frame is a standard model, but certain clumps of cells will develop as male or female organs depending on the balance of certain hormones. Which does not mean its really so simplistic as “trans women are women” — because reversing and undoing already developed organs is not so simple as applying the right solvent.

But I wouldn’t have guessed that prescribing anabolic steroids could actually turn a woman into a man so definitively. On the other hand, the fact that he regrets the change is worth pondering as well.

#13 Comment By Joe C. On February 12, 2019 @ 11:29 am

Rod, I think you found your answer as to why socialism and social conservatism can’t exist. It is in this quote you took from The Demon in Democracy by Ryszard Legutko:

“When we look at communism and liberal democracy from this point of view, we can see that they are both fuelled by the idea of modernization. In both systems a cult of technology translates itself into acceptance of social engineering as a proper approach to reforming society, changing human behavior, and solving existing social problems.”

The problem, as the quote suggests, is that the larger movement of scientific progressivism — including socialism — believes that the best way to study human societies and the problems that they face through a scientific lens. That is to say that socialists, as part of this scientific progressive movement, tend to believe that human societies are created as a result of inanimate and often irresistible forces — such as economic, geographic, gender, or racial realities — that act upon and are essentially independent of human will. (By “progressivism,” I am thinking both about contemporary progressivism and its progenitor, the late 19th century intellectual and political movement of the same name.) These forces are generally understood to be so large and difficult (or even impossible) to control that only the highest order of social institutions (generally, the state) have any hope of dealing with them. That’s why socialists inevitably turn to “experts” and technocrats who have a special knowledge of these forces and how to tame them. It is also why they tend to eschew democratic and popular forms of government in favor of elite-run governments, either through the administrative state or through some form of aristocracy or dictatorship.

This type of thinking inevitable objectifies the human person, since human beings are seen as the the objects on which the forces act rather than as the subjects of their own lives. This has enormous consequences for the form of government that will likely evolve. If human beings are the objects of forces beyond their control that most of them either won’t acknowledge or don’t understand or both, then how can they be fit to govern themselves or others? Again, this type of thinking inevitably leads to concentration of the power of government in the elites.

But it also inevitably leads to a permanent estrangement from any religious traditions that are founded on the concept of a personal God who created human beings in His image and likeness. If that religious belief is true, it automatically elevates the human person above the forces that socialism insists dominate all of human society. This religious tradition also requires a belief that a human being, made in the image and likeness of God, has the ability and obligation to affect the world around him or her and to shape that world in a manner consistent with God’s will. In other words, it conceives of the human person as primarily the subject, rather than primarily as the object, of world. And it conceives of the human person as a being with an inherent dignity that demands greater attention and respect than the impersonal forces that socialism sees as the proper object of government attention.

These religious principles also see God as a personal God and elevate a person’s individual relationship with God. A society based on these principles recognize that relationship as an essential building block of society in general. That creates an irreconcilable conflict with the socialist vision of impersonal forces as the most important ingredients of human society.

At the end of the day, there is no room in the socialist view of government and society for a vision of a God (or human beings created by God) who can command or transcend the forces the socialist see at play. And thus there is no practical way for socialism to accommodate social conservatism — at least not one based on Judeo-Christian religious traditions.

#14 Comment By Teri Moto On February 12, 2019 @ 12:07 pm

Given that today’s leftists are falling all over themselves applauding Governor Cuomo’s new law (and Governor KKK-wannabe’s almost new law) allowing for abortion up to the moment of delivery….or soon afterwards…..the chance that any of them are going to be too upset about current trans kids losing their ability to procreate twenty or thirty years from now is not something they might care about.

In fact, they’ll probably think it’s a feature, especially if the trans kid in question is some “privileged” brat.

After all, we have to do everything we can to realize that Green New Deal! (Just ignore all those tons of synthesized hormones in the runoff, it’s not like they are cow farts.)

#15 Comment By redbrick On February 12, 2019 @ 12:26 pm

The East German communists drugged up kids to win medals.

But why are our elites drugging little kids?

That’s the question.

#16 Comment By JohnE_o On February 12, 2019 @ 12:30 pm

There was no de-Marxification, much less executions and prison sentences…

Let’s not forget Nicolae Ceaușescu

#17 Comment By Myron Hudson On February 12, 2019 @ 12:41 pm

redbrick: This business, and I do mean business, gets its impetus from a movement in the UK to medicalize gender. Who profits? Who gains control? That should answer your question.

#18 Comment By Lee On February 12, 2019 @ 12:54 pm

@ Siarlys Jenkins
“But I wouldn’t have guessed that prescribing anabolic steroids could actually turn a woman into a man so definitively. On the other hand, the fact that he regrets the change is worth pondering as well.”

It is not definitive that prescribing anabolic sterioids could turn a woman into a man. Heidi’s gender and orientation were already “ambiguous” before the steroids and after them she still had breasts and female equipment.

Where does it say “he regrets the change”? It says he is angry that they doped him without his knowledge but in googling about him, he says elsewhere that realizing he was transgender and transitioning “saved his life” and he later married a woman and considers himself “so blessed” by that relationship. There is a difference between being angry at being manipulated with personal knowledge and the steps taken voluntarily to deal with the result of that manipulation.

[NFR: Yeah, I don’t know that s/he regrets the change, so much as s/he is angry that s/he wasn’t given a choice in her fate. — RD]

#19 Comment By Kevin in OR On February 12, 2019 @ 1:04 pm

With regard to Biden, acceptance of trans kids is not the same thing as promotion of sex changes. I can accept (tolerate, if you like) something without encouraging it, wishing it to be so, or seeing it as a “good” thing.

#20 Comment By Meg Quinn On February 12, 2019 @ 1:07 pm

There was a story last week that a man is suing his parents for having given him life without his consent. It seems that is a “joke” lawsuit, but the lawsuits we’ll see in another 10-20 years won’t be a joke.

#21 Comment By Lee On February 12, 2019 @ 1:15 pm

You have certainly convinced me that rapid onset gender dysphoria is a big issue of great concern and very frightening. On the other hand, you have not convinced me that early onset gender dysphoria is not real. It does make sense to me that where the gender dysphoria is clear from a very early age, transitioning before puberty is often far easier on the body and mind of the individual concerned (which is what adult transgender people say). I had the misfortune to have endometriosis and was given large doses of male hormones to try to force my body into premature menopause to treat it. Believe me, it was highly unpleasant and I still had to have a hysterectomy in spite of it.

In any event, I think it is important to note that the parents and medical people involved are, by and large, trying to do the best thing for the child. They are going about it based on incomplete scientific understanding and with significant (and here I agree more with you) social pressure. But in cases of early gender dysphoria, I think they probably are doing what really is best for the child. I wish we could change the brain to match the body instead of vice versa but at this point we can not.

We have done many similar things in the past, not that that has any effect on what is happening now, but it does offer some perspective, particularly in terms of the things on which we lay the blame for social changes. We (the US) practiced forced sterilization of many people – primarily the mentally or physically disabled but also some unmarried mothers – and, of course, most of those sterilized were women – from around 1910 until about 1970. We have done all kinds of things to disabled people throughout history thanks to “medical science” (lobotomies anyone?), generally with good intentions but not with complete knowledge. We have also made intersex kids girls without their knowledge as a matter of routine for as long as we have been technologically able to do so.

I just don’t think these things can be reduced to such simplistic terms nor do I think people who are truly trying to do the right thing by their kids should be subject to such extreme vilification.

I fully agree that many transgender activists have gone way too far in trying to normalize a condition that is simply not normal and to apply pressure in inappropriate, dangerous and damaging ways but transgenders are also real and can not will themselves out of their situation. They should not be shunned, shamed and vilified either and I think the fact that we have done so for so long is part of the reason they have gone overboard in their efforts to normalize themselves.

#22 Comment By DRK On February 12, 2019 @ 1:46 pm

Poor kid. It’s amazing this didn’t happen to more East German athletes considering the number of people undergoing the years of doping that the East German athletic program imposed. As far as I know, though many of the ten thousand or so East German athletes that were doped suffered ill effects, Krieger is the only one that attributes transition to them – isn’t it possible he actually was a transman all along? Anabolic steroids do have masculinizing effects on women (and feminizing effects on men), yet Krieger appears to be the only transgender person produced by the massive doping to which he was subjected. Strange if so.

Though it does make me think that someone should do a study on possible correlations between childhood steroid use, (corticosteroids are often given to asthmatics), and transgenderism. Personally, I think the increased prevalence of transgenderism is due to the cocktail soup of endocrines, hormones, steroids, gonadotropins and chemicals that all of us, and specifically pregnant women, are bathed in. Fetuses are being affected in the womb, and are being born with their brains in an intersex condition. Transgender people really are born that way.

Question: If, ten years from now, someone does a survey of all the children and teens who have declared themselves to be transgender in the last few years, and it turns out that only ten percent or so are unhappy with their decision, will conservatives finally respect the majority’s decision?

Could be. I have seen a change in how many conservatives on this website view homosexuals; where they used to insist that all people are heterosexual and those who insisted they weren’t were simply lying, led astray, attention seeking, or mentally ill, (in other words, exactly how they currently view transgendered people) now many conservatives appear to feel the homesexuals are indeed born that way, but nevertheless must not act on their desires if they want to be in conservative churches. It’s a subtle change, and it’s not universal, but it’s there. I don’t agree with it, but it’s more conducive to a live and let live society than the previous attitude, so I guess I hope it happens with transgendered people as well.

#23 Comment By a commenter On February 12, 2019 @ 1:51 pm

I’m sure there are parents who are inciting transition but the parents are often just following the current conventional wisdom and doctors’ advice. Life has become so complicated these days that I don’t think you can blame parents for trusting the judgement of their medical professionals, who they assume to be acting on the basis of sound science. Look at how we think about anti-vaxxers as being anti-science.

I think there are at least two underlying problems here (and maybe a few others). The first is the targeting of anyone whose results don’t match the preconceived “correct” answer. This weakens the trustworthiness of future research in the field. If scientists don’t feel free to report their real results, then you can’t really trust what’s published.

The second problem is that people assume that science is always “correct” because science is self-correcting. Yes, in the long run we’ll probably work this out (I hope). But that could be decades in the future. At any single point in time, science and medical research can actually be right or wrong on any one thing. For example, for years, parents were told to avoid feeding their children peanut and other nut products until age 3 because certain research results suggested early consumption of these foods might lead to more food allergies. But then a carefully controlled long term study was done, that showed that actually the truth is the opposite. (note, I am not a doctor, do not feed your infant nuts based on this post. Check with your doctor as to all feeding strategies). The science self-corrected, but in the meantime, the best available medical advice was based on incorrect conclusions. Science may be self-correcting, but it is not always correct. Political groups and even doctors need to be humble about what science can do.

[NFR: One of the chapters in my book is going to be about how people have got to learn to be skeptical of experts, especially if a bill of goods is being sold as “science”. An actual scientist who grew up under communism has seconded that point in private conversation, by the way. — RD]

#24 Comment By GaryH On February 12, 2019 @ 1:54 pm

edbrick says:
February 12, 2019 at 12:26 pm
The East German communists drugged up kids to win medals.

But why are our elites drugging little kids?

That’s the question.”

Because that will destroy families and local cultures and leave the survivors broken and shattered, making them ideal consumerist serfs.

#25 Comment By Kurt Gayle On February 12, 2019 @ 2:58 pm

Siarlys Jenkins (Feb 12, 11:06 am):” “I wouldn’t have guessed that prescribing anabolic steroids could actually turn a woman into a man so definitively.”

No, there is no credible scientific evidence that anabolic steroids can turn a woman into a man. However, Krieger might have experienced some menstrual irregularities (which is probably at least an important secondary reason for why they gave her birth control pills along with her steroid doses) and, of course, steroids can interfere with hormones. Girls and women on steroids experience deepening voices and more noticeable body and facial hair (Ex: See FloJo’s voice and photos of her face from 1988 when she ran the untested 10.49, still the 100 WR.) Some women on steroids report increased irritability, increased feelings of aggression, depression and sometimes even suicidal thoughts. Heidi was a very talented shot-putter. Fast through the circle with an explosive release. (In her early teens she was identified as a special talent and offered the opportunity to attend a special sports school with access to national coaches and doctors. She and her mom and dad accepted. It was a great honor. Track and field coaching methods in the GDR were much more advanced than in the West. (I would wager that a very small part of the overall GDR athletic success had anything to do with steroid intake.) Back around the time that I visited the GDR it impressed me that they took a finger-prick of blood daily from athletes to determine the daily workout level that they could withstand without risking overwork breakdown or injury. Doctors administered all drugs in carefully determined doses. Unlike in the West, there was very little steroid over-dosing in the GDR (in spite of allegations from certain western sources)—and almost no GDR athletes were detected via standard testing. Try to think of a GDR athlete who ever tested positive at an important competition.) The end of the GDR in 1990 was the end of a lot of athletic careers in the GDR and most of Heidi Krieger’s emotional trauma seems to have come over the next seven years (leading to her sex-change surgeries in 1997) and occurred long after her time of athletic celebrity. Years later, when a lot of former GDR athletes joined class action suits against the former GDR, Heidi joined and some western media sifted through the complainants and picked out the ones that they could write stories about. Thus, Heidi’s story has been written about and there has been the expected spin from the usual media sources. But, no, Mr. Jenkins, steroids didn’t change Heidi into a man.

#26 Comment By Dale R McNamee On February 12, 2019 @ 3:30 pm

The “transgender” advocates at al are the same as the Stash… Totalitarian and evil to the core…

God’s Judgement and the Lake of Fire for eternity awaits them and those willing to follow them…

#27 Comment By Xenie On February 12, 2019 @ 3:43 pm

redbrick says:

The East German communists drugged up kids to win medals.

But why are our elites drugging little kids?

That’s the question.

I have thought about this a great deal, and talked to a great variety of other people who are similarly troubled by this question. I think part of the reason this movement has become so overwhelmingly powerful all of a sudden is because it has united a coalition of people with several different end goals.

1. There are those concerned with “overpopulation” who see the “queering” up of youth, especially when it results in chemical or surgical sterilization, as a great add-on to their other strategies. This sounds kooky sure, but there is a lot of big money involved in the whole overpopulation/ZPG scam and they really believe in the crap they push.

2. There are wealthy men with fetishes of various putrid varieties whose interests are served by getting “the kids” to be the face of their movement to intrude upon the space of women and girls.

3. There are central planning types whose end goal is to see parental rights weakened in every way possible, who have discovered that the popularity of gendertrending among youth works as a great wedge to accomplish that goal. See today’s Federalist article by Margot Cleveland to see more on that.

4. There are Silicon Valley transhumanists who see tinkering with genitals and gender presentation as just one of many delightful possibilities for rearranging human life into some kind of customized “skin.”

5. There are pederasts who love the idea of someone who is legally of age and yet has the mind and body of a 13 year old, due to hormone blockers.

6. There are GLBT activists who have won the marriage battle and need a new cause du jour to keep the cushy jobs and donations rolling in. Kids are always more sympathetic looking in these campaigns than some horse-faced dirty old man dressed up in petticoats and fishnets.

7. And lurking behind it all is the Evil One, the Father of Lies, who simply delights in creating this much suffering, chaos, and confusion.

#28 Comment By Siarlys Jenkins On February 12, 2019 @ 4:25 pm

Kurt Gayle’s account is much more believable than the original presentation. Which makes my cautionary notes about the original post all the more on point.

I recall that Bulgaria had a wrestling team that had always been pampered and had the best of everything, then suddenly there was no socialist government to support them in the style they had become accustomed to. So they went into enforcement rackets. If Kreiger’s emotional trauma came during the same years, its quite possible this story is self-serving fiction.

acceptance of trans kids is not the same thing as promotion of sex changes. I can accept (tolerate, if you like) something without encouraging it, wishing it to be so, or seeing it as a “good” thing.

Exactly. Its like any other disability or chronic genetic disorder. If these are the cards you were dealt, you have to deal with it, and the community should (a) not make it harder for you, plus, (b) make reasonable accommodations in terms of private space to get along.

One of the chapters in my book is going to be about how people have got to learn to be skeptical of experts

Please, make that the MAIN THEME of your book, and it will be well worth reading. I’ll provide you background material free of charge just to see such a book produced.

#29 Comment By James D Dean On February 12, 2019 @ 4:42 pm

Matthew 24:37-39

37 For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, 39 and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

To see where this is traveling read Genesis Chapter 6.

#30 Comment By TR On February 12, 2019 @ 5:51 pm

Re: Chapter on distrusting scientists. A very difficult topic. The culture, despite what you believe, is not going to self-destruct, but it would be a lot healthier if it became more skeptical about some kinds of “scientific” claims. (Why go to the Soviet Union for proof of this?)

Anyway, I hope you bring this up several times as you proceed. There are a number of people here whose views could be very useful to you. (And I’d like to hear them.}

#31 Comment By njoseph On February 12, 2019 @ 6:35 pm

With all due respect to Legutko, there is nothing idolatrous about revering nature. On the contrary, I think his point is that we have to revere a natural order in both ecosystems and human nature. If we don’t do the latter, our society will get all screwed up. If we don’t do the former, human society along with many if not most other living things may not survive another few hundred years if not much sooner.

#32 Comment By Dale R McNamee On February 12, 2019 @ 7:46 pm

James D Dean,
2 Peter 3: 3-13, especially verses 11-13 nd Revelation 21 is more accurate regarding the future… God told Noah that He would not use water again to destroy humanity… Genesis 9:9-11

#33 Comment By Dale R McNamee On February 12, 2019 @ 7:59 pm

John D Dean,
2 Peter 3:3-12 and Revelation 20 are very accurate as to the future of the Earth… Also,in Genesis 9:9-11 God states that He will never again use floods to destroy the world.

#34 Comment By Dale R McNamee On February 12, 2019 @ 8:03 pm

Hi Rod !
Here’s an old joke about the East German Female Olympians that made its rounds during that time…

It goes : ” Are you Helga or Helmut ? “

#35 Comment By Anonymous On February 13, 2019 @ 1:24 am

I don’t see that this has been posted here yet. I caught it indirectly via Instapundit. It is amazing! This former notable MtF trans-whatever is telling his story with brutal honesty and courage. Save it in case wordpress deletes it. Twitter apparently just killed his account. Anyone with real connections should contact him. Read his narrative, which seems to be growing right now.
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#36 Comment By galanx On February 13, 2019 @ 4:25 am

Why are we drugging kids? So they can play in the NFL? Thank God we in the West only kill athletes with concussions and heart attacks. Reminds me of an old Freak Brothers cartoon. Fat Freddy has gone to buy a live turkey for Thanksgiving. The farmer eye him suspiciously and asks, “You’RE not going to do anything weird with this turkey?” Freddy reassure him “No,I’m just gonna kill it and eat it.”

#37 Comment By MrsDK On February 13, 2019 @ 7:25 am

Lee, regarding your comment that transgender people are also real:

As a mom with a 20-year-old who has been on testosterone for a year, based on no medical diagnosis whatsoever, my biggest question is: how do you determine if someone is *really* trans? That question has no answers right now. Believe me, I’ve asked. The only answer we questioning parents get is that one must affirm everyone, at any age, based on…nothing in particular except sex stereotypes.

Yet every day, more young people detransition. Look at the Pique Resilience Project video on YouTube, and you will see four young women who are just a little older than my kid. All of them, until recently, were certain that they were “really guys” — at least two of them, like my kid, identified as gay men. A few of these young women were prescribed testosterone — you can hear their permanently changed voices. Yet now, they are no longer trans. What happened??

If this level of medical malpractice was happening with young people who were being misdiagnosed and treated with hormones for any other condition, there would be a public outcry. Yet now we parents have to go to the Heritage Foundation to get our voices heard, while the NYT and the WaPo compete to publish stories about the wonders of trans summer camps for children and gender reveal parties for young people who suddenly discover that their authentic selves have “really always” been trans.

I can’t believe that I once thought there had been a medical breakthrough in trans diagnosis. What I’ve found, to my horror, is that the only breakthrough we’ve had is a political and ideological one. And when your own kid becomes part of it, that’s when the nightmare begins.

#38 Comment By phree On February 13, 2019 @ 11:41 am

Classic propaganda here. Wind up the sex/gender conservatives with tales of horror from East Germany and compare the extraordinarily small percentage of U.S. families dealing with gender dysphoria to the East German Communist State’s secret athletic doping program. Ridiculous.

So, the answer is that government should decide for families what is best for their children? Really? The same government that conservatives have been telling us for years can’t do anything right? Either you believe in liberty and small government, or you don’t. You can’t have it both ways. You can’t support government intrusion into the most private and difficult decisions in life but then claim government can do no right in any other sphere.

I just have to shake my head.

[NFR: Bless your heart. — RD]

#39 Comment By John Strange On February 13, 2019 @ 12:29 pm

The outrage Mr. Dreher seems to have here for parents’ treatment of transgender children seems to be predicated on the idea that the parents of these children are somehow malicious. If your child looked into your eyes and told you that they’re suffering because they’re in the wrong body, and that they are in pain because what they know to be true inside is not reflected in how people see them, any reasonable person might be tempted to call a doctor and at least look into trying to treat the problem medically.

What this isn’t is equivalent to the Stasi example. There is no reason to believe that parents who allow their children to transition are forcing them to do so. Mr. Dreher does not know the details of these rather rare cases. Whether they *can* consent is not at issue because, as with religious upbringing, it’s the parents’ decision to allow to disallow it. Does AmCon actually believe that individual liberty, and the right to raise one’s children the way one wants, always trumps government meddling or not?

It’s interesting that when it comes to religion, Mr. Dreher is silent on the things parents force on their children… baptism, traditional male circumcision, forcing adherence to principles and bronze-age cosmic worldviews before a child can understand what they mean. All of these things can be quite traumatic, are done without consent, and aren’t considered child abuse—and no parents are brought to justice when the adults they become have to live with the consequences.

At the end of the day, it matters what you value. If you value tradition, the parental role as decisionmaker, and virtue as defined by American Christianity, this looks horrific because it’s outside the bounds of what is acceptable. But if you place greater value on individual rights, expression, and acceptance of alternative sexualities and lifestyles, this is a difficult but understandable reaction with no easy answer. What it isn’t is the Stasi trying to win at the Olympics; it’s people with a value system different from yours making difficult decisions for their children.

I’m not saying I categorically support children transitioning, but I do think for all equivalent situations, our society accepts that it is a parental decision. Please don’t act like anyone who would approve of allowing a child to transition is somehow malicious or evil. Considering the traumas that religion inflicts on children in America and around the world, I doubt that’s a can of worms AmCon and transitional conservatives really want to open.

[NFR: I don’t think these parents are malicious. I think they are making decisions for their children that will have permanent, life-altering consequences, and that they should not be empowered to make. If these kids want to take hormones, let them make that choice when they are adults. — RD]

#40 Comment By Kurt Gayle On February 13, 2019 @ 1:05 pm

Dale R McNamee says (Feb 12 8:03 pm): “Hi Rod ! Here’s an old joke about the East German Female Olympians that made its rounds during that time…It goes: ”Are you Helga or Helmut?”

East Germany (the German Democratic Republic–GDR) sent athletes to the Olympic Games (both summer and winter) between 1956 and 1988 – from 1956 to 1966 as part of a combined East and West German team, and from 1966 until 1988 as a separate, distinct East German Olympic team.

To my knowledge, Mr. McNamee, there was never a controversy about the sex of any female East German Olympian (either as part of the combined team or as part of the separate team).

If you have knowledge of any such a sex controversy, Mr. McNamee, I would very much appreciate your posting it here. Thanks.

To be sure, there have been controversies about the actual sex of female Olympic athletes – most recently about the South African runner Caster Semenya. Past controversies have included:

Stella Walsh (Born Stanislawa Walasiewicz. Poland) One of the best female athletes of the 1930s, Walsh set more than 100 national and world records during a distinguished career which included winning sprint gold at the 1932 Los Angeles Olympics and silver at the 1936 Berlin Games. However, confusion mounted when Walsh was tragically killed in 1980, after being caught up in an armed robbery of a department store in Cleveland, Ohio. An autopsy revealed she had male genitalia, which immediately questioned the validity of her athletics achievements. The examination claimed that Walsh suffered from a condition called mosaicism, which meant she had both male and female chromosomes. However, despite this evidence, she is still regarded by most as a gender cheat and a man who posed as a woman.

Ewa Klobukowska (Poland) Sprinter Klobukowska was a double medallist at the 1964 Tokyo Olympics and broke the women’s 100m world record in 1965. But she was banned from all professional sport in 1967 after becoming the first athlete to fail a chromosome test, following suspicions about her masculine appearance.

Hermann “Dora” Ratjen (Germany) Hermann Ratjen disguised himself as a woman by tightly binding his genitals to his body while competing in the women’s high jump at the 1936 Berlin Olympics. Ratjen finished fourth in the competition, and later set a groundbreaking world record at the European Championships in 1938. But despite wearing a dress, Ratjen was later revealed as a man who had male genitals. Ratjen never competed again, and in 1957 admitted he was actually a man

Tamara and Irina Press (Soviet Union) The Press sisters won five track and field Olympic gold medals for the Soviet Union and set 26 world records in the 1960s, covering a range of events from sprinting to pentathlon. Throughout their careers, the sisters’ gender was the subject of debate, heightened by their disappearance following the introduction of compulsory gender testing in 1966. While the Russian media still claim to this day that the sisters’ achievements were legitimate, little has been heard of them since the ’66 ruling.

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#41 Comment By Siarlys Jenkins On February 13, 2019 @ 2:03 pm

NFR: I don’t think these parents are malicious. I think they are making decisions for their children that will have permanent, life-altering consequences, and that they should not be empowered to make. If these kids want to take hormones, let them make that choice when they are adults. — RD

Write a book about that.

One of the great fallacies of people who think they are doing great good is that we simply don’t know enough to know what WILL be the most beneficial course of action. One premise of broad individual freedom and choice is that we may make good or bad choices, but nobody really knows enough to make a given choice mandatory. We simply don’t know that it will be a Good Thing.

There are some things we know to a reasonable certainty. Most of us are better off if most of us are vaccinated, for instance. And its not a good idea to allow murder. But there are a whole lot of things where people should make the best choice they can, as responsible adults, and take the consequences for good or ill.

#42 Comment By Elijah On February 13, 2019 @ 2:33 pm

“One of the great fallacies of people who think they are doing great good is that we simply don’t know enough to know what WILL be the most beneficial course of action. One premise of broad individual freedom and choice is that we may make good or bad choices, but nobody really knows enough to make a given choice mandatory. We simply don’t know that it will be a Good Thing.”

A little humility goes a long way. I am simply amazed by the number of people who make all kinds of pronouncements as if they were really objectively true when it is perfectly clear to anyone with a brain stem that the particular subject is very much up for debate.

Speaking of vaccines, “Slate” had a good piece recently about how vaccinations are indeed good, but media reporting on the recent measles outbreak is positively not just unhinged, but untrue (misleading, at least).

It is the rush to affirm things that I find so dangerous.

#43 Comment By Nora On February 13, 2019 @ 2:46 pm

“Regardless of what you think about the progress of mankind, we live in a world that is radically out of whack with our DNA. There are are thousands of plausible explanations for gender dysphoria–steroids would be a good start. But nobody has the freedom to pursue them. “

Multiple studies have shown how substances like phthalates and components of fertilizers and pesticides break down into estrogen mimics that are affecting animals and humans. (Sorry, don’t have time to provide links).

We let corporations dump these chemicals into our homes and the food chain, so we are all being exposed to extra estrogen. This has caused decreased penis size and sperm count in males and increased reproductive cancers and trouble with conceiving and more miscarriages in females. I don’t say men and women, because multiple species are manifesting similar damages.

You can find more info at the sites for the American Academy of Environmental Medicine and the American academy of Anti-Aging Medicine.

#44 Comment By Lee On February 13, 2019 @ 10:42 pm

@ MrsDK
“Lee, regarding your comment that transgender people are also real:
As a mom with a 20-year-old who has been on testosterone for a year, based on no medical diagnosis whatsoever, my biggest question is: how do you determine if someone is *really* trans? That question has no answers right now. Believe me, I’ve asked. … What I’ve found, to my horror, is that the only breakthrough we’ve had is a political and ideological one. And when your own kid becomes part of it, that’s when the nightmare begins.”

I can not imagine having to live with that nightmare and I am very sorry that you and your child are going through it. I have no answers and believe that you can find individual cases to fit nearly any scenario from social contagion to mental illness to very real gender dysphoria. People often say “If it were me, I would…” very confidently but I am too old to say such things. I do not know what I would do – probably what you are doing – the best you can while agonizing over every choice you and/or your child make. You truly have my deepest sympathies and prayers for your family.

#45 Comment By Siarlys Jenkins On February 13, 2019 @ 11:22 pm

I have no answers and believe that you can find individual cases to fit nearly any scenario from social contagion to mental illness to very real gender dysphoria.

Lee offers a fair answer to Mrs. DK, but to me the bottom line is, if there are so many disparate situations with so many different facts and unknowns, there should be no standardized policy. Its something parents, and children, have to work out, availing themselves of any medical advice they choose to seek, tamp down on the schools taking initiative independently, and recognize that no matter what, some choices will be good, others bad, and the bad choices are not a sound basis for legislation, because it will just result in a policy that is also bad for someone else.