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Jaw, Dropped

9:24pm Central:

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Uncle Chuckie called it.

UPDATE: 9:37 Central:

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UPDATE.1: Oh my God:

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UPDATE.2: One good thing if Trump wins: the agony of fatheads like this:

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UPDATE.3: You know I didn’t vote for the guy, and I think the country is screwed six ways to Sunday, but … imagining the wailing and gnashing of teeth in the NYT newsroom makes me happy:

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#1 Comment By Loudon is a Fool On November 9, 2016 @ 2:31 am

Regarding the comments about “How can an America who voted for Obama vote for Trump” probably don’t remember how Obama campaigned. You were part of the Democratic base who as voting for the first black President and congratulating yourself for being so awesome. And you are awesome. But the people who put Obama over the top voting for him because of the way he campaigned. Obama campaigned as a centrist outsider; an opponent of unnecessary wars; an advocate for the middle class; an advocate for the working man; a social moderate opposed to SSM. That’s not how Obama governed. He was in the pocket of the elites, a neoliberal to the hilt, and a radical on social issues. Trump is broadening the base for certain, but Obama voters are voting for Trump as well. Because Trump is saying many of the same things that Obama said. Time will tell whether he means them any less than Obama did. But it would be hard to mean it less than Obama.

#2 Comment By bayesian On November 9, 2016 @ 2:36 am

Conor Friedersdorf wrote something to the effect of never forgiving the Democratic Party for nominating HRC (he is of course #nevertrump; I infer that he believes that on Earth-2 where some cosmic force for good prevented Clinton from running, the Dems would have nominated $generic_democrat who would have beaten Trump). I feel something similar; I see no reason to forgive any of the several groups, most notably:

1) the Republican primary voters who selected Trump;

2) the Democratic apparatchiks who selected Clinton (granted, after Iowa the Dem primary voters were well and truly scrod, so I cut the post-Iowa people a lot of slack);

3) the Libertarians who selected somebody who somehow lost his mind over the last four years (I cut the Libs slack also in that it may not have been obvious as of mid-year that Johnson had been smoking too much of something, whereas the Trump and Clinton enablers knew exactly what they were choosing);

who collectively drove me to vote for an Edwards-grade crook (Clinton, to be specific; not that Trump isn’t equally a crook and immeasurably more vile). I know, I know, it was my own choice to dive into that particular cesspool – here in CA McMullin was not a recognized write-in.

The comments here, not only especially over the last year or so, have been most enlightening (thanks, all, especially Our Working Boy) in helping me understand an important slice of my fellow citizens.

I was talking a little while ago to a despondent partisan Democrat, who expressed hope that in four years a sufficient number of Trump’s voters would be disappointed that he had not Made America Great Again (only for Real Americans(tm), of course) that the Democrats (who in her hypothesis/fantasy would nominate a minimally capable candidate) would be able to recapture the White House. I’m not intentionally cruel (one of my many, many disqualifications for being a Trumpkin), so I will let a few days go before gently explaining to her that as long as Trump keeps sticking it to the left (who will, of course, continue to volunteer to be targets, because that works for their incentives) he will do just fine. I really appreciate the people here who have helped me grasp that reality in its full magnitude.

#3 Comment By KyleW On November 9, 2016 @ 2:41 am

I thought one of the low pleasures of a Trump victory for me would be seeing the looks of shock and chastisement written on the faces of nearly everyone in my thoroughly leftist college town. Like Damon, I hoped it might lead to some reassessment of the inevitable march of history. But my mood has progressively sunk as I’ve realized that the Left won’t be chastened by this. They won’t deign to learn anything. All this will do is convince the Left they were right to think half the country was composed of Nazis. It will confirm them in their sense of their own tribes right to rule, and deepen their hate for the filthy masses. They’ll come after us harder, not less after this. Erin Manning’s comment encapsulates what the overriding attitude will be all over my campus in the morning. And all for the sake of Donald J. Trump. Lord, turn back your wrath.

#4 Comment By BaronHarkonnen On November 9, 2016 @ 2:44 am

USA 1776-2016, R.I.P.

Whatever comes starting in 2017, it’s a new country. A new era. This is a revolution, a bloodless coup.

Congratulations to President-elect Donald J Trump. I find this person to be morally reprehensible, totally unfit to serve for hundreds of reasons. But I wish him well, I hope he can get real now and govern seriously and quietly.

And to folks who didn’t vote for Clinton: I don’t ever want to hear you complain about Trump, because it’s your fault. You abstainers, you third party protest voters, thanks for that. Really. Good luck with that then. Own it. It’s on you. You could have stopped it. Now you own it.

[NFR: “Coup”? If by “coup” you mean “election”. Jeez. — RD]

#5 Comment By Michelle On November 9, 2016 @ 2:49 am

You’re hearing things in his words that he’s not saying.

And you’re clearly not familiar with The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. His message is pretty clear. Whether he means it or whether he’s just mouthing the words Steve Bannon wrote for him, who knows. But it’s classic anti-semitism.

#6 Comment By Gabrielle On November 9, 2016 @ 2:55 am

Amen to this, Rod! I didn’t vote for him, but hearing NPR news and NYT moan will be hilarious after listening to months of their heavy-handed “reporting”.

#7 Comment By The Mighty Favog On November 9, 2016 @ 3:14 am

Rod,

Schadenfreude is a sin, particularly when we’re all stuck on the Titanic together, now.

#8 Comment By The Sicilian Woman On November 9, 2016 @ 3:15 am

The Krugman twitter stuff is sort of unintentionally hilarious, though. You could summarize it as, “How could all these hateful racist misogynist bigoted troglodytes even be allowed to exist, to live in this country, to walk the streets freely instead of being locked up where they can do no harm, let alone be given the right to vote? And why do they hate us? It’s a total mystery…”

This is all over the media and social media already. Progressive/liberal/Deocratic zero self-awareness + living in an echo chamber has led to this.

Meanwhile, I am not looking forward to hearing the histrionics above, mostly verbatim, amongst my co-workers and friends for the next four years. I remember their somber mood and their wearing black for mourning the day after the election in 1994. I’m working with a more hardcore P/L/D crowd and tensions have been peak this cycle, so I expect these first few days of despair and rage to be quite ugly.

#9 Comment By Charles Cosimano On November 9, 2016 @ 3:17 am

You cannot imagine the joy with which I greet the first Cosimanian Orthodox Presidency.

[NFR: You called it, Uncle Chuckie. You really did. — RD]

#10 Comment By Paolo Pagliaro On November 9, 2016 @ 4:14 am

US people are sane, common sense people. I’m glad that this remains true, after all.

#11 Comment By Isidore the Farmer On November 9, 2016 @ 4:15 am

“I am ashamed to be an American, tonight. I wish I could be anything else.”

The left has been very clear. You can be any identity you wish to be. Just wish it, and it will be so.

#12 Comment By Old West On November 9, 2016 @ 4:42 am

If you tell people enough times to sit down and shut up, don’t be surprised if eventually they decide to standup and go to the voting booth to say something.

#13 Comment By EngineerScotty On November 9, 2016 @ 4:49 am

This country is in for some very dark days before the Meltdown comes.

I’d say it’s a lot closer with this result tonight. But if it does come, it won’t be because the Social Security trust fund dries out, or because the lumpenproletariat receives state support.

At any rate, now the Democrats get their reckoning. Hillary Clinton’s political career is obviously over, if for no other reason than age. (I’m hoping that no kangaroo court sends her off to prison–or worse–if Trump is smart he won’t start making martyrs out of Democrats). A good case can be made that Chuck Schumer should be passed over for Senate Minority Leader. That said–if you are concerned about the “SJW” faction on the left, they may well have improved their long-term political prospects; Clinton was not their candidate.

All the above presumes (little-d) democratic politics continues as usual. In the worst case, I hope the Chinese have a Marshall Plan in the works….

Joseph, if any “traditional morality enforcers” come for you, they’ll have to get through me first. I may be a vertically challenged middle-aged weakling, but I am also a redhead, which counts for a lot in that sort of situation.

I suspect that traddies hoping for Trump to reverse gay rights, etc. may be disappointed–these are issues he’s shown little interest in. His main focus throughout the campaign has been ethnic politics, mostly Mexicans (specifically illegal immigrants) and Muslims; recent months have given blacks and Jews more explicit reasons to be fearful. I actually find myself hoping that his skill at the con has been artfully deployed against the “alt-right” (by which I exclude sincere Christians), and that the neo-Nazis and such in his coalition will be disappointed.

But we may be rather f***ed.

#14 Comment By Millennial_Ann On November 9, 2016 @ 5:40 am

ESO – I can’t be a Christian woman and be genuinely disappointed that this is what our country elected?

I put my faith and trust in God. In the end, He will make all things right and good. We can sure mess up this middle bit, though.

#15 Comment By MrsDK On November 9, 2016 @ 5:46 am

I simply wonder how the supposed conservatives in this nation could vote for a completely inexperienced celebrity who is NOT conservative. Does this mean that the Republicans have become and will continue to be the new nationalist party?

We have voted in a placeholder, not a president. Many folks would probably say that that was their intent. And as for surrounding him with the wise…Don’t bet on it.

#16 Comment By Floridan On November 9, 2016 @ 6:12 am

God, please protect the United States of America . . . and my 401k.

#17 Comment By Sheldon On November 9, 2016 @ 6:14 am

Rod, I wouldn’t want to deny you your schadenfreude, though I hope you will understand that I will forever think less of you for it. In the light of this morning, let us review some of the consequences of Trump’s triumph:

– Muslim Americans are today far more fearful. And a few of them may well become dangerously radicalized by the election result.

– Tens of thousands of Hispanic families, illegal immigrants, and their children are now suddenly living in terror over what might await them.

– Millions of Americans, some of the poorer among us, are likely to lose their health insurance. More than a few may die prematurely as a result.

– Racist and anti-Semitic groups are suddenly feeling gleefully empowered.

– Efforts to mitigate the effects of global warming are dead in the water, with who knows what long-term consequences.

– Countries like Poland, dependent on American security guarantees for their protection, are suddenly feeling much more vulnerable.

– Given Trump’s views on trade, global economic uncertainty may well roil our markets and economies for some time.

– Not least, a hostile foreign power, Russia, has directly and successfully affected our election. And already in Moscow and Beijing plans are no doubt being drawn up to test an inexperienced, erratic new President.

All that is just for starters. But ha! At least those dastardly liberal NY Times editors are gnashing their teeth.

#18 Comment By MHD On November 9, 2016 @ 6:38 am

Well, we are finally done with the Clintons and the Bushes.

1. The Republicans could have ran a weather rock and won this Presidency…and they did.
2. The people who have fought and died for the past three wars do have a say In foreign policy. 10,000 Americans have died since 2001… typically from the rural, southern, rust belt areas. 300+ from Arizona alone. Most from California and Texas.
3. This has been a problem for awhile, but the American Frontier was a place where the US could push its social problems away. Since it’s closing, 100+ years, we are going to have to slug or discuss out our problems the hard way. Can’t we all just get along? No.
4. Whether we like it or not, Mexico will always be there. A border wall only sever us from the rest of the Hemisphere we share… which is brown.
5. By 2020, we are all going to be so sad.
6. America is only great now because of the credit of its own past success, 1900-1945. I think we started to piss our success away starting with Korea in 1950. I think the bill is coming due.
7. I want to taste Hipster/SJW tears. I am sympathetic to Trump voters. I get it man.
8. F**K it Dude, lets go Bowling.

#19 Comment By JCM On November 9, 2016 @ 7:00 am

The Democrats forgot to campaign at the Good Old Opry.

#20 Comment By JohnE_o On November 9, 2016 @ 7:37 am

Well, on the bright side, gun prices probably won’t spike – might even drop – and my wife and I will be able to afford some of the hardware we’ve been putting off buying.

#21 Comment By Hector_St_Clare On November 9, 2016 @ 8:05 am

M_Young,

Well, congratulations, I guess. Your chosen lucky b*stard (and he is a b*stard, sorry if that violates the standard of this bloG: unfortunately he’s also probably a criminal) pulled it off.

The biggest problem with Trump though is what Kevin Williamson said earlier this year. Voting for Trump feels good, but so does OxyContin. Unfortunately, a drug binge doesn’t actually solve your problems, and then next morning you’re hung over or in some cases dead. People are going to unjustly die under a Trump administration, is the way I’d bet.

No, Trump is not the second coming of George Wallace: he’s much, much, much worse. Wallace was a competent governor. Trump, not so much.

#22 Comment By MikeCLT On November 9, 2016 @ 9:21 am

Why do you post tweets of antisemetic nuts? They really do not deserve the publicity. And they are certainly not representative of Trump’s supporters.

#23 Comment By Polichinello On November 9, 2016 @ 9:47 am

Does this mean that the Republicans have become and will continue to be the new nationalist party?

God willing.

#24 Comment By Thomas Kaempfen On November 9, 2016 @ 9:55 am

Erin Manning,

Where Krugman goes wrong is thinking that most Trump supporters are as slimy and repulsive as their candidate. They’re not deplorable, but their candidate is, and they’ve made a deplorable choice.

#25 Comment By David J. White On November 9, 2016 @ 9:57 am

I read that ridiculous Krugman column. He’s really going full Pauline Kael.

#26 Comment By Charlie On November 9, 2016 @ 10:05 am

:imagining the wailing and gnashing of teeth in the NYT newsroom makes me happy” So basically “Trump may well be disastrous, but at least some people I don’t like will suffer?” What kind of adult, let alone one who describes himself as Christian thinks like that?

#27 Comment By BaronHarkonnen On November 9, 2016 @ 10:57 am

[NFR: “Coup”? If by “coup” you mean “election”. Jeez. — RD]

Absolutely. What else do you call the unprecedented partisan interference of the FBI? Yes, the people decided, but that investigation turned off the people who were going to put her over the top. She lost like 5 points of polling from it. It’s a fact.

Congrats to Trump, may he rule wisely. I’m glad I’m not brown though let me tell you. And I’m sorry for the women in my life. You should be for yours as well.

#28 Comment By dominic1955 On November 9, 2016 @ 10:58 am

Michelle,

“And you’re clearly not familiar with The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. His message is pretty clear. Whether he means it or whether he’s just mouthing the words Steve Bannon wrote for him, who knows. But it’s classic anti-semitism.”

I think I might have to go to the ER to get my eyeballs put back in place.

You’re trotting out the Protocols? Wow…you need salts, STAT!

Anti-Semitic or thou dost protest too much?

#29 Comment By dominic1955 On November 9, 2016 @ 11:08 am

Oh, and the Israeli PM congratulated him in the warmest of words, hardly something that would happen for Hitler part 2…

#30 Comment By MikeCLT On November 9, 2016 @ 11:30 am

Very revealing that Hillary sent Podesta out to dismiss her supporters last night and send them home in tears.

Why would they expect any better treatment from her?

#31 Comment By Jones On November 9, 2016 @ 11:32 am

You can get a good sense of what motivates this win, by reading the comments Trump supporters make here and elsewhere. They’re mostly about resentment–how much they hate other people (“the left,” “the establishment”), and like seeing them suffer. That raises some eyebrows about how good their stewardship of the country is likely to be.

There might be some good things to come out of this. I share many people’s contempt for the Left. There are some things Trump has claimed or pretended to stand for, that I think would be good. Some degree of economic nationalism.

But nobody really knows what he is going to do. The policy proposals are all trickle-down economics and rich people tax cuts. How does this comport with the supposed economic equality agenda? No idea. People seem to think he’s some kind of foreign policy realist. There’s little evidence for that. He seems eager to “rip up” the Iran deal and start some needless conflict there; his words and actions are heedlessly bellicose in general.

A sensible immigration policy? Sure, I’m all for that. Somebody will need to explain now that net migration for every group except Asians has been negative for about a decade. There are more Mexicans leaving the country than entering it. So what is the point of all this talk? I don’t know.

I prefer not to think about what policies are going to be taken toward Muslims. I’m going to deal with that as it happens.

Rod, you expressed some deep concerns about a Trump presidency in recent weeks. I hope you stick to your guns, even as the temptation to simply join the team and play ball will grow stronger.

#32 Comment By Richard2 On November 9, 2016 @ 11:32 am

As this blog has previously noted, the path toward political supremacy for the Democratic Party requires making Texas as reliably Democratic as are California and New York. The party could hardly expect to advance toward this goal by nominating a white woman with attitudes typical of elites in Chicago and New York City.

The election of Trump can be seen as a moderate choice: voters did not want eight years of Clinton following eight years of Obama. If Trump starts a war with Russia which destroys the human race, they will have been wrong. But this is probably an unlikely outcome.

#33 Comment By MikeCLT On November 9, 2016 @ 11:39 am

It is very revealing of Hillary’s character that she sent Podesta out last night to dismiss her supporters and send them home in tears. Then again, why would they expect better from her?

#34 Comment By M_Young On November 9, 2016 @ 12:00 pm

“I simply wonder how the supposed conservatives in this nation could vote for a completely inexperienced celebrity who is NOT conservative. Does this mean that the Republicans have become and will continue to be the new nationalist party?”

Because completely changing the demographic makeup of the most successful polity on earth is not conservative. Everything else flows from that.

#35 Comment By Jeremy Hickerson On November 9, 2016 @ 12:05 pm

Krugman is no fathead.

We’ve certainly had a non-functional federal government since 2010, w/ GOP congress blocking everything on general principle. That’s what the failed state remark was getting at, and was the original context of that remark.

#36 Comment By M_Young On November 9, 2016 @ 12:08 pm

“But it’s classic anti-semitism.”

I have exactly one Jewish friend. If anyone moves to hurt him or his family, I will act. Just as the WASPs and ethnic Russians–both groups who were a long time at the receiving end of Jewish ‘critique’, acted to stop Hitler.

But dearest Michelle (and others), you cannot expect that we will forever return love for the animosity that you and your leaders have shown us, from Emmanuel Celler to Peter Beinart. We have come together…not enough of us for sure (shame on you, college ‘educated’ whites), but we have come together again as a people. You’d best figure that into your calculations.

#37 Comment By Siarlys Jenkins On November 9, 2016 @ 12:52 pm

For those who dropped George Lincoln Rockwell into the conversation, I give you this quite from a speech Rockwell gave circa 1965 when he was invited to speak by the students at a private liberal arts college:

“You can’t fight communism if you don’t understand that it is Jewish. I am not saying all Jews are communists, but I am saying all communists are Jews.”

My father picketed the speech.

But the people who put Obama over the top voting for him because of the way he campaigned. Obama campaigned as a centrist outsider; an opponent of unnecessary wars; an advocate for the middle class; an advocate for the working man; a social moderate opposed to SSM. That’s not how Obama governed.

Mostly true. The fact that people who DID vote for Obama obviously now voted for Trump is one of the key things Democrats need to analyze, and not bemoan mindlessly. Trump will not deliver what those voters are looking for either, and nobody is really on the horizon who seems willing to do so. Anyone who could would be in line for a landslide win in 2020 or 2024.

#38 Comment By sw85 On November 9, 2016 @ 12:53 pm

@Erin Manning–

The Krugman twitter stuff is sort of unintentionally hilarious, though. You could summarize it as, “How could all these hateful racist misogynist bigoted troglodytes even be allowed to exist, to live in this country, to walk the streets freely instead of being locked up where they can do no harm, let alone be given the right to vote? And why do they hate us? It’s a total mystery…”

I mean, has he tried getting more pearls, or bigger pearls, or just clutching them harder?

#39 Comment By Fran Macadam On November 9, 2016 @ 1:03 pm

“if it was that damnable ACA that the democrats pushed down on us on Christmas eve after months of lying about it that sealed tonight’s result!”

I recall very well that Trump posited single-payer as the only sane alternative to make American workers competitive again. That’s what our trade rivals have done.

The “ACA” was concocted by bankster-owned insurance subsidiaries, to deliver ever more of the savings and earnings of ordinary Americans into Wall Street speculator pockets to be gambled with, enslaving the people with unsustainable debt so that they are not economically independent. Don’t forget, Citibank appointed Obama’s cabinet, two months before he was elected, and he did their bidding from the very beginning. And their wealth is built on not having to pay out in claims what they extract.

#40 Comment By Philly guy On November 9, 2016 @ 1:52 pm

America is tanking.

#41 Comment By RinTX On November 9, 2016 @ 6:10 pm

Fran Macadam says:
November 9, 2016 at 1:03 pm
“… I recall very well that Trump posited single-payer as the only sane alternative to make American workers competitive again. That’s what our trade rivals have done.”

Wouldn’t it be a YUUUGE! irony if the Trump Administration repeals Obamacare and replaces it with a single-payer plan.

#42 Comment By Siarlys Jenkins On November 9, 2016 @ 7:37 pm

Fran, if Trump can and does put forward and get through a Republican congress a single-payer health plan that is affordable based on a sliding scale, and provides reasonable access to the doctor of my choice, I might even vote to re-elect him. I won’t be holding my breath, but you’ve been known to be prescient.

The ACA is indeed a camel (horse designed by a committee) but that’s the only way to get anything passed through congress. Right now, my biggest worry is to keep some sort of health insurance until I qualify for Medicare in two and a half years. Government doesn’t turn on a dime, so I am probably OK for 2017, but who knows?

#43 Comment By cheerful pupper On November 10, 2016 @ 3:16 am

Wow, Rod. In that order? “Hmm, Neo-Nazis are so excited about this as to make actual open death threats against Jewish journalists that specifically harken to the Holocaust… but, in a point that deserves at least equal weighting, and indeed MORE attention, he makes some journalists I don’t like unhappy?” That says something. A few things, actually.