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Annals Of Progressive Self-Hatred

I found this on the Gates Of Vienna website. [1] It’s a clip from a German news documentary in which a German woman of Turkish descent who describes herself as a “socialist, anti-fascist, feminist” tells the story of how she was gang-raped by men she believes were refugees. They were speaking Arabic or Kurdish, she can’t be sure. She went to the police to report that her purse had been stolen (which was true), but did not mention the rape, and lied about the offenders (she said one of them was a German). As an activist, the woman had demonstrated in favor of refugees, and didn’t want to bring them into disfavor. Watch the clip to find out what happened next.

Such is progressive Europe today. It’s quite astonishing. She now feels guilty for having filed police reports on the men who raped her, because it encouraged anti-immigrant rightists in their negative opinions about the refugee influx.

Let me say that again: refugees raped this progressive German woman on a playground, yet she feels guilty for telling the police about it. About her rape. The narrator of the documentary says that the woman feels like “an offender” now.

The old joke has it that a liberal is someone who won’t take his own side in a fight. Now we see that a European multiculturalist is someone who won’t take her own side in a rape.

See, this is what I was talking about with Pope Francis yesterday. [2] The fear of calling a thing what it is because of what right-wingers might think of it is crippling them.

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#1 Comment By al On August 2, 2016 @ 2:49 pm

Person subjected to severe trauma fails to fulfill the expectations of the Internet – film at 11.

#2 Comment By Michael Guarino On August 2, 2016 @ 3:09 pm

I forgot the worst part, the guffawing of the privileged males. I feel sick just thinking about what a great propaganda piece this video is or just for general amusement for rapists.

And we get an asinine appeal to privelege. This woman is saying her ideology demands her to accept rape for fear of political defeat. The males, “priveleged” or not, pointing out how astonishingly sick such an ideology must be are clearly not the problem in this situation. At all.

#3 Comment By mw On August 2, 2016 @ 3:55 pm

As somebody who mostly agrees with you on European immigration & is at least sympathetic on American, I wanted to add my voice to commenters like JV, hmm & Jack Shifflett. The video left me profoundly sad … this young woman underwent a horrible attack that, among other things, undermined the foundations of what (from the video) seems a sincere belief system. She’s struggling with that. She appears to have low self-esteem, feels whatever she did would be “wrong,” and I think now would be the time for people who disagree with her to approach her graciously & compassionately, rather than pointing her out as yet another progressive, self-hating dupe. She’s at the start of a very long journey … who knows where she’ll end up? And, yes, I did watch to the end of the video. Part of her regrets stem from the fact that the outpouring of “rightwing” response to her trauma was predictably ugly. Your post (& these comments) are gentler, to be sure, but it feels like you’re preaching to the choir in a way that is sure to win the battle & lose the war.

#4 Comment By A.G. Phillbin On August 2, 2016 @ 4:09 pm

Perhaps incidents like this should be compiled in a volume called “Profiles in Confusion,” or some such title. The cognitive dissonance is remarkable. This is a woman who calls herself a “feminist,” but when violence is directed by a group of Middle Eastern against her own womanhood, she lets the “antiracist” part of her ideology dictate her responses, and then changes her mind, and feels guilty about doing the right thing, for political reasons.

This is the sort of thing you do when you start to think of people as members of categories instead of as individuals, whose actions are mostly their own responsibility. It is not an individual victim’s responsibility to protect individuals of any “oppressed” category from the consequences of violent criminal activity that they initiate, period. These things should be reported truthfully to the authorities, with one small exception: if there happens to be a leftist vigilante group around that is ready, willing, and able to investigate and exact “justice” on the individual perpetrators in question, without bothering with publicly available police reports. Clearly, “the left” is far from that capability. But with followers like this, they’re clearly in need of it.

#5 Comment By Publius On August 2, 2016 @ 4:14 pm

Not being able to talk freely, in an open, forthright manner, is why we have Trump in the first place.

The Left’s faith in the shaping power of “performative” gestures, the way it subjugates language and experience to “narrative,” and its puritanical obsession with the “politically correct,” all create, like a peculiarly idiotic version of the superego, the very pressure that forces their opposites to the surface. If people cannot air their grievances in public and work them out democratically, the political and media class will only have themselves to blame.

Trump is simply surfing the return of the repressed. Whether the Left’s rape victims and their elites like it or not is irrelevant.

#6 Comment By Reinhold On August 2, 2016 @ 4:48 pm

“The fear of calling a thing what it is because of what right-wingers might think of it is crippling them.”
Like how Obama keeps saying Islamists are ‘perverting Islam for political purposes’ even when the main guerilla armies fighting Daesh are left-wing Kurdish nationalists. It’s not reactionary to call reactionaries ‘reactionaries’!

#7 Comment By Kid Charlemagne On August 2, 2016 @ 4:54 pm

Why progressive self-hate? Is it a surprise that a Muslim immigrant would be worried about adding to the negative perceptions of a group she belongs to?

[NFR: There’s no indication that she’s an immigrant. Her parents were, maybe. Anyway, she’s not talking about immigrants in general, but this wave of refugees. — RD]

#8 Comment By Alex (the one that likes Ike) On August 2, 2016 @ 6:12 pm

TR,

Perhaps learning some history then? Christianity is one of crucial parts of the European civilization. One doesn’t need to be a Christian to acknowledge that. Though the term “European civilization” is a semantic malapropism indeed. To some extent, it’s an old and ingrained politically correct formula. There is only civilization in Europe we know, and it is Greco-Roman civilization. A civilization accepted and conceived by every European nation. It may have been the result of a violent conquest, like in the case of Republican Rome and Gaul. Or a peaceful acceptance, like in the case of Eastern Rome and Russia. Or a combination of the former two, like in the case of Imperial Rome and the British Isles. But we are all Greeks and Romans today, like it or not. Christians, atheists, agnostics, materialists and even those who simply don’t care – all of us are them. And if more people remembered that we don’t descend from some faceless “all-European” but from Roman legionaries, Spartan hoplites (or, in more local cases, other valiant warriors like Vikings), an enemy won’t be standing at our gates. Dixi.

#9 Comment By Can’t Say We Weren’t Warned On August 2, 2016 @ 7:32 pm

Pure Raspail – pure Allen Drury too.

I guess if we don’t learn from history we can hardly be expected to learn from novels. But Raspail and Drury certainly lived up to the novelist’s function as “the antennae of the race”.

#10 Comment By Andy On August 2, 2016 @ 7:46 pm

Sad, indeed. It reminds me of the working poor who vote Republican.

#11 Comment By ThaomasH On August 2, 2016 @ 9:15 pm

It is sad that someone should have to fear that their honest report of a crime could be used to create hate and fear of innocent refugees. The fear mongers have a lot to answer for in this case.

#12 Comment By Darwin’s S-list On August 2, 2016 @ 10:13 pm

@ TR:

And after thirty years of research and publication, they have no idea of the complexity of the response of rape victims.

So tell us what motivated the response of the officials in Rotherham, who not only obscured a rape epidemic but sent the person who tried to bring attention to it to diversity training. Or those in Cologne who practically accused the assault victims of asking for it. None of these bureaucrats were victimized, but they still tied themselves in knots not to state the obvious.

The worst progressives will rationalize, excuse, deny, or explain away anything to avoid being accused of bigotry or to keep any argument made by those they think are bigots from being proven right.

But please go on telling each other how reality has a liberal bias. It’s still funny.

#13 Comment By Darth Thulhu On August 3, 2016 @ 2:16 am

For people missing the point:

1) The problem is not this woman initially lying-by-omission about the rape. Plenty of people don’t report crimes, for all kinds of complicated reasons … and that is not the problem here.

2) The problem is not feeling guilty about reporting the rape, given the inevitable blowback. Complicated things are complicated.

3) No, the actual problem is a feminist-in-theory actively choosing to go onto TV to criticize her decision to finally report her rape. She isn’t arguing that it is complicated … she is instead arguing that maybe she shouldn’t have reported her rape at all.

That active media choice, much like the active media choice of the Khans to make political hay out of the decade-cold body of their dead son, is contemptible and incoherent and fully deserving of aggressive pushback.

If this woman and the Khans don’t want that pushback on their incoherence, then the simple solution is “don’t choose to go onto a national TV program to forcefully argue an incoherent point, and there won’t be any pushback on incoherence.”

#14 Comment By Merovech On August 3, 2016 @ 4:14 am

Does being a rape-victim rob a person of all agency, and put them above any reproach? That seems very patronizing – shame on all of you for talking over this woman, and erasing her individuality like that.

I for one listen to her own words, in stead of talking for her, and acknowledge her for the brainwashed radical and utter fool she is signalling to be.

#15 Comment By Elijah On August 3, 2016 @ 9:07 am

“It reminds me of the working poor who vote Republican.”

Your comment is a perfect example of the behavior that the young woman in the post is exhibiting!

Good grief, can you not see that the working poor might not trust Hillary Clinton, Goldman Sachs, and Bernie Madoff with their future?!

#16 Comment By kgasmart On August 3, 2016 @ 9:24 am

The fear mongers have a lot to answer for in this case.

Nonsense. The left empowers the “fear mongers” when they lie like this.

#17 Comment By Ragnvaldr On August 3, 2016 @ 10:25 am

I don’t understand why the Turkish woman doesn’t embrace the diversity and traditions of her native culture.

#18 Comment By Kid Charlemagne On August 3, 2016 @ 3:00 pm

Ragnvaldr says:
I don’t understand why the Turkish woman doesn’t embrace the diversity and traditions of her native culture.

There you go Mr. Dreher – when the right-wing backlash that she fears does come, it will also come for people like her who look Turkish/Syrian/Arab etc. etc. No one subjecting her to any kind of abuse on the street, for example, will be checking to see whether she is actually an immigrant, or German or a refugee…
Her primary concern is not having all refugees labelled as criminal and part of that fear is that she herself looks like one of them.

#19 Comment By Randy On August 3, 2016 @ 3:11 pm

No, the actual problem is a feminist-in-theory actively choosing to go onto TV to criticize her decision to finally report her rape. She isn’t arguing that it is complicated … she is instead arguing that maybe she shouldn’t have reported her rape at all. — Darth Thulhu

No, the actual problem is that the video contradicts you on this point. She never comes close to saying she shouldn’t have reported the rape. She does, several times, say that no matter what “good reasons” she may have had not reporting it at first, she was right to finally do so. At no time does she even imply that, if she had to do it over again, she would not report her rape.

She does feel guilt over the back-lash that she anticipated would happen, and the narrator says she feels like an “oppressor,” but as you yourself say, “Complicated things are complicated.” But none of that comes close to “If I had to do it again, I wouldn’t report the rape,” words that do not appear anywhere in the video.

#20 Comment By Darth Thulhu On August 3, 2016 @ 3:39 pm

Randy wrote:

She does feel guilt over the back-lash that she anticipated would happen, and the narrator says she feels like an “oppressor,” but as you yourself say, “Complicated things are complicated.” But none of that comes close to “If I had to do it again, I wouldn’t report the rape,” words that do not appear anywhere in the video.

“Feeling like an oppressor” is effectively an emotional guilt-trip argument that “maybe my rape shouldn’t have been reported”. Calling law enforcement down on actual gang rapists is somehow oppression, and actual gang rapists are somehow the really, really oppressed people in this tale. It is blisteringly incoherent.

If one cannot loudly and unapologetically condemn gang rapists and crime rings without handwringing cries of “but the racism!” and “what about the oppression?!?” ringing out, the feminists in question might as well just give up already, put on the burka, and only go outside with male escorts. Anything less, after all, would be microagressively oppressive against these poor immigrant gang rapists.

#21 Comment By Darth Thulhu On August 3, 2016 @ 4:02 pm

To give a sense of where I’m coming from:

When I was still a minor, on a trip through Europe, I was forced to negotiate my own rape on the last night in France. This was before cell phones, and I left myself highly vulnerable to exploitation by being alone on my last day of travel and quite clearly a foreigner “on my way out of town” past midnight in a mostly-empty train station. My rapist’s visage and French accent both seemed at least part-Arab, but the alcohol pushed at me in residence gave no hint of sincere Muslim leanings.

I can and do kick myself for no end of failure to see what are, in retrospect, gigantic warning signs, and my only regret is feeling so desperate to get free (to catch my dawn-time train out of town) that I didn’t even try to find any authorities in the hours after the assault.

But if I had stayed and insisted on police response, the last thing in the universe I would ever feel is “guilt” for making my rapist face some fraction of justice for arranging my rape. If it turned out that he was deportable and got deported rather than jailed, that would not change my calculus in the slightest.

Mentally making my rapist into some kind of helpless, oppressed victim would be the definition of self-sabotaging false consciousness. I have Zero time for this handwringing narrative about the poor misunderstood rapists and their underprivileged immigrant lives.

#22 Comment By Fran Macadam On August 3, 2016 @ 4:41 pm

The truth isn’t important, because it doesn’t serve the ideology or political cause. Just the same dysfunctional thinking is the case where people who aren’t rapists are falsely accused, and obvious lies must be believed, because they further the ideological agenda.

When people like this exercise power, they are far more dangerous than someone like a Trump who speaks out of hyperbole but not actual disengagement from reality.

#23 Comment By Randy On August 3, 2016 @ 9:52 pm

To give a sense of where I’m coming from:–Darth Thulhu

What you went through was horrible. There’s no way I can experience the complexities of those emotions, and their clarity, as you unfortunately have.

Still, harking back to your previous post, I don’t see how the video goes beyond your point two to your point three.

The video isn’t as specific as it could be, but couldn’t Ms. Doren feel no guilt that her attackers be brought to justice, while at the same time feel guilt that her report unleashed a back-lash of hate against all refugees? Might her feelings of being an “offender” not be in reference to the “real offenders” (as they are called in the video) but to the many other innocent people targeted in that back-lash?

She says she feels guilty about (what she calls) the racism she unwillingly unleashed, but never says a word about feeling guilty that her rapists might be caught and punished. She never says they should be given a pass if they are, indeed, refugees.

I can see how her feelings of guilt would be a red flag for you. I can see how you would disagree with her politics. But, to me, her experience indicates nothing more than, as you said, “Complicated things are complicated.”

#24 Comment By Hector_St_Clare On August 4, 2016 @ 10:25 am

MW, and others,

I can’t speak for anyone else but I’m not upset at Selin Goren, I’m sad for her. I’m angry and infuriated at the ideologues who convinced her that Germany had a moral obligation to welcome these people, and that things like respect for the truth and for women’s safety from sexual assault were less important than welcoming mass immigration. She is a victim twice over. The Liberal intellectuals who say “anti-racism at all costs” are the real responsible party.

Some things are right and true even if the dreaded “far right” does say them.

#25 Comment By Alex (the one that likes Ike) On August 4, 2016 @ 11:40 am

Randy,

The uncomplicated thing is that this woman explicitly tries to turn her personal tragedy into a political point. And does so for the ruling ideology of her country and the European Union in general. Call me old-fashioned grouch, but if she simply needs to unburden her heart by sharing her feelings with somebody, there are *scores* of places that are better for such purposes than national TV.

(Sorry if double posting, something goes wrong both with my connection and with many websites I visit.)

#26 Comment By Randy On August 4, 2016 @ 3:06 pm

“Old Fashioned Grouch”:

Selin Goren didn’t politicize her personal tragedy. The person who violated her privacy by publicizing her police report (the video implies that German law has privacy protections for rape victims), and those who then piled on the internet to tar all refugees as rapists who need to be deported, they were the ones who did that.

This woman was attacked twice. She reported, or responded to, both attacks. So yeah, that part — the mere fact of speaking up for herself — isn’t so complicated.

#27 Comment By Alex (the one that likes Ike) On August 4, 2016 @ 4:41 pm

Randy,

Oh come on. Don’t you know that we, old-fashioned grouches, are very fond of dull reasoning? And the dull reasoning says that if she hadn’t made this video, her story would have been lost among hundreds and thousands of such stories that, unfortunately, are an ugly reality of today’s Europe.

But now it won’t. And don’t get me wrong. If I were a German or a foreigner whose words could at least slightly influence German public opinion, I would have kept my trap shut. Would’ve done so because I think that this piece of propaganda is so maladroit that it will only further the cause of a German party I support – AfD. But since I’m not a German and cannot influence their public opinion in any way, I simply deplore her intellectual dishonesty.

And, conversely, I never argue with Hildejugend on MSM comments sections, because I think that their… rhetorical exercises – both online and IRL – have already outshined every gaffe Trump made and would possibly make. Just let them cheerfully bring Trump into the White House.

#28 Comment By Randy On August 4, 2016 @ 8:29 pm

Just let them cheerfully bring Trump into the White House. — Old-Fashioned Alex:

Ugh. If Trump were elected I’d seriously consider moving to someplace outside the United States — maybe Eugene, Oregon.

#29 Comment By Reinhold On August 5, 2016 @ 12:52 am

“I’m angry and infuriated at the ideologues who convinced her that Germany had a moral obligation to welcome these people”
They may not have had a moral obligation to admit refugees, but one of the things I don’t think anyone’s adequately considering is how many more mass refugee crises we’re likely to have in the coming decades. What’s going to happen when the Gulf becomes too hot for humans to inhabit? What about when sub-Saharan Africa is so desertified that farming becomes impossible in places? It may not have to be Europe, but what exactly are our world-wide contingency plans for such situations? There is, after all, a distinction between those who migrate for work and those displaced by catastrophe.

#30 Comment By Alex (the one that likes Ike) On August 5, 2016 @ 6:54 pm

Randy,

Ugh. If Trump were elected I’d seriously consider moving to someplace outside the United States — maybe Eugene, Oregon.

An EU friend of mine (won’t tell which country exactly, don’t even ask) has recently asked me is it true that Americans are massively running towards the Canadian border in a desperate attempt to save themselves from Trump’s brutality.

… when I finally managed to drag myself from under the chair I was writhing in the agony of a paroxysmal laughter, I’ve found this great article by Rod:

[3]

We may discuss where to go there. If it is not one more conversation about Hillary-or-bust, of course.

Reinhold,

What about just not letting them in? When people have to choose between agricultural risks and unfriendly battleships of a civilization that is vastly superior in every single aspect of military techologies, their choice is quite obvious. Cruel? Yes. But when it is either us or them, such factors drastically lose their relevance.