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Gay Marriage Debate Tonight

“Can We Talk Instead Of Shout About Gay Marriage?” [1] That’s the title of a debate tonight (Thursday) at 6pm Eastern, between John Corvino, a philosophy professor and gay rights advocate, and Maggie Gallagher. David Blankenhorn moderates. Follow the link to see the event livestreamed.

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#1 Comment By Matt On June 7, 2012 @ 4:45 pm

“Can We Talk Instead Of Shout About Gay Marriage?”

Nope, and you should know why.

#2 Comment By Scott On June 7, 2012 @ 5:33 pm

What’s the point of talking when no one listens? Not all opponents of marriage equality are bigots and, with all due respect, compelling victims of a loss of religious liberty appears to be about as common as a unicorns.

#3 Comment By Bubba On June 7, 2012 @ 5:33 pm

Oh, please. They have a book out together. Enabler and enabled, continuing to make a buck on the fight for civil rights…

#4 Comment By linda On June 7, 2012 @ 5:45 pm

I agree with Matt. Conservativess have been so polite and quiet that we have let Gay Marriage become the norm.No discussion needed.

#5 Comment By Mr. Patrick On June 7, 2012 @ 6:06 pm

I’d love to, but I have to return some…videotapes.

#6 Comment By Ken Z. On June 7, 2012 @ 6:25 pm

Kind of a mismatch. Corvino is wrong but he’s way more sophisticated than Maggie Gallagher. I don’t think she has the ability to show *why* Corvino is wrong–she will just repeat her points, while he will go a little more to the heart of the matter. Corvino should debate another philosopher, and Maggie Gallagher should not debate anyone whose capacity for thinking beyond bromides is significantly greater than hers. She is going to end up falling back on empirical “evidence,” which is not going to persuade, say, Justice Kennnedy, nor should it.

#7 Comment By CapeCodder On June 7, 2012 @ 6:53 pm

Ken Z…..perhaps because Prof, Corvino is correct, it is easier for him to explain why his arguments are now winning.

Perhaps Maggie can only debate with bromides and the like, because that is all she (and NOM, and the like) really have.

#8 Comment By The Sicilian Woman On June 7, 2012 @ 7:20 pm

compelling victims of a loss of religious liberty appears to be about as common as a unicorns

Really, Scott?

Perhaps the MSM is ignoring a lot of what’s going on out there because the general public just might figure out that the same-sex agenda really is intent on bending all of our rights to its will:

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More and many more Constitutional travesties such as this are to come.

It’s stuff like this that pushed me from leaning towards supporting same-sex marriage to realizing what a grave error that would be and what the whole agenda behind it is.

#9 Comment By Bubba On June 7, 2012 @ 7:27 pm

Maggie was on good behavior tonight. Hard to believe this is the same person who puts out her tweets…

#10 Comment By CapeCodder On June 7, 2012 @ 8:47 pm

>It’s stuff like this that pushed me from leaning towards supporting same-sex marriage to realizing what a grave error that would be and what the whole agenda behind it is.<

Ummmm….basically one 'agenda' item: to fully be part of society ie, not allowed to be discriminated against in any way (work, play, lodging, marriage, etc, etc.) Each state has their own regulations, but public accommodation is pretty much a no-brainer. I believe the photographer also took a deposit.

In more than 25 states I could be fired simply for being gay. How nice. Would you like yourself to be fired once people learned of your Sicilian background, and all that implies? Would you be upset when you hired a photographer for a family event and the person refused once he saw Sicilians (or Greeks, Russians, English, etc?) Perhaps his 'religious convictions' didn't allow him to photographs a known 'criminal' class.

Yes, I'm being somewhat crude, but the analogy is the same.

We have the same "agenda" as everyone else — to live happily, with the the chance to do well, be healthy, raise kids if wanted, and enjoy our work and friendships. Is that really too much?

#11 Comment By Peter H On June 7, 2012 @ 10:32 pm

Linda: Conservativess have been so polite and quiet that we have let Gay Marriage become the norm.No discussion needed.

Conservatives have hardly been quiet. They’ve successfully amended 30 state constitutions in their effort to keep same-sex marriage from becoming the norm.

#12 Comment By argh On June 8, 2012 @ 6:07 pm

Um, gay marriage will never be the norm because there are very very very few gay people and even fewer gay people who want to be married. We are, again, talking about .1 (one tenth of one percent) of the population is both gay and wants to be married, and that’s probably a ceiling, not a floor.

In America, that means we are talking about 300k people (again, a maximum, so likely even fewer, and less than 100k total if you throw in wanting to raise children too) across 50 states. A statistical rounding error.

The fact is, the fiction the rest of us were sold is that ‘gays are 10% or so of the population’ and once that was established, ‘all of them want to get married, realio trulio’. But there aren’t that many gays and very few of them want to marry and still fewer want kids. Gays are, broadly speaking, different. They really do want different things out of life than marriage and family, CapeCodder. That’s what the data and their own behavior shows.

#13 Comment By CapeCodder On June 8, 2012 @ 10:21 pm

Argh,

Glad you are so well versed in the innermost feelings of me and my partner and all of our friends.

Your statistics are probably misleading as well. Please provide your data. In a nation of 360 million, we are a heck of a lot more than 300,000 folks that are gay and want to be married.

But you can smoke your own “data” and puff out whatever “conclusions” you want.

There’s a thing called “Google” or Yahoo search. Here, use it:

“An estimated one-quarter of all same-sex households are raising children, according to U.S. Census data, providing one of the first portraits of gay American families. ” ABC News 6/23/11 ….they also estimate 4% of population is lgbt, so about 9 million ….

#14 Comment By argh On June 8, 2012 @ 11:53 pm

The data is actual gay marriage rates, gay cohabiting rates and gay survey responses as to whether they consider themselves as a couple to be married. A lot of this can be found in the links stemming from wikipedia’s extensive articles on gay marriage the world over.

CapeCodder, you are artificially inflating the numbers by including groups that bring in children from prior heterosexual unions and using that inflated estimate to serve for ‘gay couples raising children’. 1.7% of the population is gay, according to the most recent research, per wikipedia. Typical and not unexpected as the whole lbtgbbq schtick is part of how the numbers are inflated.

Also? My estimate was higher than the one you gave as 100k/300k households is 1/3, so I was giving the benefit. Looks like we’re talking about even fewer folks than even I thought, less than even 100k gay households raising kids.