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Fanatics For Trump

Well, this will certainly help Trump’s cause: [1]

Trump protesters were blocking vehicles leading into Fountain Hills in advance of Donald Trump’s campaign stop Saturday morning.

Protesters were chanting, “Donald Trump, shut it down, Phoenix is the people’s town.”

Maricopa County sheriff’s deputies were seen directing tow trucks to start hauling the violators away.

Idiots. They are only making Trump stronger.

In other Trump-related news today, read this from super-conservative radio host Erick Erickson [2], about how he’s had to hire security to protect his family from Trump supporters:

Last night, as my family went to bed, a man in a car parked just down our driveway. He and his coworker roaming the neighborhood are the security now part of my life. It is the age of Trump.

In 2011 and 2012, I actively campaigned against Mitt Romney. In November of 2011, I had written that Romney would lose to Obama and conservatives would get blamed. That happened. He was a terrible candidate. But Romney supporters, despite vigorous disagreement, were not hurling threats my way or toward my family. They were not calling advertisers to my radio station making threats.

In fact, the only time I have ever experienced what is now happening is from far left activists outraged over my position on gay marriage. Those radical gay rights activists have appeared once or twice in my neighborhood. They have hounded advertisers and made threats. I’ve even once been swatted.

But even these radical activists were not as aggrieved or angry as Trump supporters. The new reality in which my family and I live is that of going to bed at night with security parked at the end of the driveway and our movements more regulated for our own protection.

In the Age of Trump, the worst and basest instincts of humanity are on display. Like the Islamic radicals they rail against, Trump supporters have adopted a “convert or die” attitude. They will not persuade you to the merits of Trump. They will not defend Trump. They will harass you, censor you, wish for your death, and threaten to kill you if you do not convert.

Read the whole thing [2] — and listen to the audio clips of fanatics who left voice mail messages hoping that Erickson dies or is murdered.

The only time I had to have off-duty police officers (provided by my newspaper, to which I will be eternally grateful) came when a gay rights fanatic attacked my home. It’s terrifying. This is one reason I hate it when pro-life protesters demonstrate outside of abortion doctors’ houses. If people cannot feel safe in their own home, nobody is safe anywhere. Activists who believe that their cause is more important than observing the basic rules that govern civilized behavior are a cancer. Many gay rights activists think their cause absolves them of any behavior — and that attitude has to some degree been institutionalized by sympathizers. Reading Erickson’s tale about how he and his family are being threatened by Trump fanatics is a warning sign.

Social Justice Warriors are too. Weimar America. Life is a cabaret, old chum.

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#1 Comment By the the On March 20, 2016 @ 11:32 am

If you support communist China you are probably going to be hated. If you support work visas and other forms of big government wage suppression you are causing harm and you will be hated. If you support invasion by foreigners (immigration and amnesty for illegals) then sure, you will be hated by native people.

#2 Comment By redfish On March 20, 2016 @ 12:44 pm

@Laguna Beach Fogey,

Erickson, after all, is the guy who is threatening to create a third party and putting Trump supporters on black lists.

Third parties already exist, btw, so its not a matter of “creating” them. Its just a matter of creating visible support behind them. Erickson would probably want to use the Constitution Party.

The interesting thing is that a lot of the same people ready to support a third party now just a few years back would have similarly called it a betrayal.

Its just democracy. Democracy is messy just like free speech is messy.

RedState and a lot of Trump sites have been hypocritical regarding Kasich, though, expressing rage against him and trying to push him out of the race for being a “spoiler”, which is presumably what a third party would be. Saying the voters have spoken, even though many states, including mine, haven’t voted yet.

The black list thing is definitely out of hand.

None of it warrants death threats.

#3 Comment By redfish On March 20, 2016 @ 12:47 pm

*I meant anti-Trump sites in that last comment.

Though its worth also reminding people that Trump threatened to run third party if he “wasn’t treated well,” which presumably he and his supporters would have claimed if he wasn’t ahead in the race. But now its a scandal among Trump supporters that someone else wants to run a third party candidate.

Hypocrisy all around.

#4 Comment By JonF On March 20, 2016 @ 12:48 pm

Re: ….a dangerous practice known as ‘swatting.’

Thanks for explaining that. When I first saw “swatting” here all I could think of was someone pursuing Erickson with a giant fly swatter.

Note to Rod: How is health today? Please be able to tell you you are getting better.

[NFR: I am! Thanks for asking. Noticeably better this morning, after another lousy day yesterday. I woke up yesterday morning and told Julie I felt much better … then an hour later crashed, and spent most of the day in bed. So I’m hesitant to get too excited about feeling good … but I feel good, and am thrilled to have enough mental focus to return to writing the Ben Op book today. — RD]

#5 Comment By mrscracker On March 20, 2016 @ 12:49 pm

And just a PS, I was at a Southern Relics show with one of my kids several years ago. If you haven’t been to one, it’s a combination antique guns/historical relics show.And there’s always a number of folk selling Rebel flag themed bumperstickers and merchandise.
One of the vendors who was from an area of North GA . which had seen large Hispanic population growth said he was wary of Mexicans but once he got to know
them, he realized that they shared the same traditional family values and in fact were deeply conservative.
If the GOP could ever figure that out they might have a chance.

#6 Comment By Donald On March 20, 2016 @ 12:51 pm

Okay, before we go further, blacks in Ferguson were living in a literal police state– I think rioting is wrong and violent people should be jailed no matter what their cause, but don’t compare the Muslim hating, black hating, Hispanic hating Right with the left until we have had at least a generation of genuine leftist tyranny in place. And that’s not going to happen. I sympathize with some of your worries about Christian institutions being forced to do things against their convictions and yes, there are inflamed and possibly violent nutcases on both sides of the spectrum, but the absolute worst SJW examples you can give are a small fraction– a very small fraction– of the crap that gays, blacks, Hispanics and others have suffered at the hands of white bigots.

And I also want to echo others about the stupid imprecision of the SJW insult. People who threaten you with violence because of your published views are thugs. People who obsess over politically correct terminology are merely silly. But they are all SJW’s in your book. By that standard, we could call everyone who is opposed to gay marriage an anti SJW and lump you in with those who attack or murder gay people.

#7 Comment By FL Transplant On March 20, 2016 @ 12:57 pm

I’ve got a few friends and relatives who grew up in Germany and moved to this country as adults (the oldest a lady who married a GI in the late 40s and has strong memories of WWII). They’re rolling their eyes at all of the “XXX is a Nazi” hyperbole, looking at it much as I do at those who talk about a college football game with the “we’re going to war!” metaphors.

#8 Comment By steve On March 20, 2016 @ 12:59 pm

“[NFR: Get back to me when Trump fanatics burn down neighborhoods. ”

I can’t think of a single time when SJWs burned down a neighborhood. What are you thinking of?

Steve

#9 Comment By Anne On March 20, 2016 @ 1:01 pm

“If Hillary were to win, will she be allowed to govern?”

Best question so far, because as of now, it’s the most likely outcome. The answer really depends on what happens in the Congressional races. If Republicans maintain control of the House with the stranglehold those gerrymandered districts have allowed since 2010, Clinton, like Obama before her, may find herself obstructed at every turn. On the other hand, if voters really do turn on the GOP at least to some effective degree, the government may finally begin functioning normally for the first time in nearly eight years. Still, that doesn’t guarantee Democrats will get their way, only that the give-and-take that’s supposed to happen in Congress may start to bear fruit again.

#10 Comment By TDK On March 20, 2016 @ 1:32 pm

Amazing that SJWs, exactly like GOP, can’t do anything except blindly double down on their policies/tactics. They both deserve a confounding and painful loss for how inflexible they’ve become.

#11 Comment By MichaelGC On March 20, 2016 @ 3:21 pm

Tar Heel Blue says on March 19, 2016 at 10:09 pm

If Hillary were to win, will she be allowed to govern? For the first time ever im concerned about the future stability of our government. Something is very wrong.

[NFR: I agree. — RD]

Let me chime in, too, if I may. This is what I came across today in my reading of Oswald Spengler’s The Decline of the West, Volume II, Perspectives of World History, page 464:

“. . . As the English kingship became in the nineteenth century, so parliaments will become in the twentieth, a solemn and empty pageantry. As then the sceptre and crown, so now the peoples’ rights are paraded for the multitude, and all the more punctiliously the less they really signify — it was for this reason that the cautious Augusts never let pass an opportunity of emphasizing old and venerated customs of Roman freedom. But the power is migrating even today, and correspondingly elections are degenerating for us into the farce that they were in Rome. Money organizes the process in the interests of those who possess it, and election affairs become a preconcerted game that is staged as popular self-determination. If election was originally revolution in legitimate forms1 it has exhausted those forms, and what takes place is that mankind “elects” its Destiny again by the primitive methods of bloody violence when the politics of money become intolerable.”

1″Every modern election, in fact, is a civil war carried on by ballot-box and every sort of spoken and written stinulus, and every great party-leader is a sort of Napoleon.“– page 415

This isn’t to be remedied, Spengler says, but is a sign of where we are in the unfolding of the West as it attains close to the end of its becoming, where “. . . there now sets in the final battle between Democracy and Cesarism, between the leading forces of dictatorial money-economics and the purely political will-to-order of the Caesars.”

The pages that come before and after are every bit as apocalyptic (in the meaning of prophetically unveiling) but there is neither the time nor the space.

#12 Comment By mwing On March 20, 2016 @ 3:48 pm

Hello Mr. Dreher! I don’t usually agree with you, but I do agree that anti-Trump protesters who try to actually shut down his rallies are wrong both morally and tactically, and are totally playing into his hands.

#13 Comment By Siarlys Jenkins On March 20, 2016 @ 5:06 pm

SJW’s don’t have much to lose. They’re not in power in the first place.

If you support communist China you are probably going to be hated.

If you support communist China you either have suffered amnesia and are living in 1965, or you favor some quixotic rebel faction deep in the interior of China. The communist party of China is running the world’s most ruthless capitalist economy. Or, as someone I knew many years ago remarked tongue in cheek, “CP China is the chink in the armor of international communism.” (Is that a micro-aggression against Asian students?)

“Weimar America”; more like pre-civil war Spain.

Wishful thinking, Mr Parker?

Segregation was legal too once upon a time, and it was evil. — RD

Alcohol was ILlegal once upon a time, and now its legal, but Carrie Nation was not wrong about the evils that come with it.

The Weimar Republic was a government that couldn’t maintain a stable, productive economy, because the allies insisted in extracting payment of absurd war reparations, thereby bringing on themselves Adolf Hitler and WW II. In such an atmosphere, extremes thrive and there is no coherent middle.

#14 Comment By bacon On March 20, 2016 @ 5:25 pm

In this election season,so much anger, so much more threat of violence than in the past maybe 100 years, I think we should all look at where we are in the hierarchy. If one isn’t at risk of losing a home or needing social welfare help to feed children, maybe a more understanding attitude would be a good thing.

#15 Comment By Joshua Mincher On March 20, 2016 @ 9:07 pm

Mr. Dreher,

Try mixing a tablespoon of diatomaceous earth with a small shake.

Every winter I get a cold and then a sinus infection lingers all winter. I started eating DE last September, and haven’t had a sinus problem at all this winter.

#16 Comment By Hector_St_Clare On March 20, 2016 @ 11:20 pm

Are you actually saying that the compelling reason not to commit violence against an abortion provider (who is providing a legal service that you just happen to find distasteful) is that it would, in the long run, do more harm to the cause?

I can’t speak for Rod, but that’s pretty much what I would say (or, more specifically: killing abortion providers would accomplish more harm than good to society in general). It wouldn’t really bring us much closer to making abortion illegal, and it would destabilize society for no particularly good outcome. Another part of the reason is that abortion isn’t absolutely wrong in every circumstance, any more than capital punishment is: there are a few circumstances where it’s legitimate, such as saving the life of the mother. Only the state through the legal system is well equipped to make those distinctions, not private vigilantes.

I can certainly conceive of situations where pro-life violence and killings might be justified, but America in 2016 isn’t, yet, one of them.

What’s the point you are actually trying to make here? (Parenthetically, it’s hilarious you refer to the murder of unborn children as ‘distasteful’, or think its legality has anything to do with anything. Slavery was legal once upon a time as well).

#17 Comment By K. W. Jeter On March 20, 2016 @ 11:29 pm

Per mrscracker:

One of the vendors who was from an area of North GA . which had seen large Hispanic population growth said he was wary of Mexicans but once he got to know
them, he realized that they shared the same traditional family values and in fact were deeply conservative.
If the GOP could ever figure that out they might have a chance.

Deeply conservative immigrants with traditional family values are just as effective at transferring wealth to the oligarchs as any other kind of immigrant:

[3]

Based on a supply and demand model, Borjas found an increased supply of immigrants competing in the U.S. job market does produce a net gain for current U.S. workers of about $50 billion a year. But that small gain in the context of an $18 trillion economy is far outweighed by a transfer of wealth from U.S. workers to the businesses that hire those immigrants that amounts to $500 billion dollars.

“What immigration really does is not so much increase the pie, as redistribute the wealth,” Borjas testified before the Senate Subcommittee on Immigration and the National Interest. “So what I’ve learned from all this is that immigration happens to come out to be just another government redistribution program.”

And actually, the GOP has figured this out; that’s why it supports immigration, in order to further the interests of its big-money donors. As Bernie Sanders said, “Open borders immigration is a Koch brothers proposal.”

#18 Comment By VikingLS On March 20, 2016 @ 11:54 pm

“So far, the middle in the US seems to be doing a good job. One extreme is a fairly small faction on the left, that the Democrats keep at arms’ length. ”

No Scotty, you lost the right to make this argument when you justified violently shutting down a Trump rally.

You also excused threatening to beat up at a reporter at Mizzou.

You don’t keep these people at arm’s length when they win. The truth is you’re not nonviolent, you’re just a coward.

#19 Comment By VikingLS On March 21, 2016 @ 12:10 am

I a sorry that Erickson is facing this situation, no one should face death threats.

That said, a lot of the populist right who are suddenly on the receiving end might want to find out if some of the people they vilified went through the same thing, and maybe make a few apologies.

[NFR: That’s a very good point. I’ll post on that later today. — RD]

#20 Comment By Dag On March 21, 2016 @ 12:27 am

Whatever. Trump supporters aren’t shutting down other candidates’ rallies, bloodying cops, etc. etc. etc. Saying that isolated Trump fans’ behavior is on the same scale as the organized, violent tactics of the anti-Trump Left is absurd.

You still won’t allow yourself to get it.

#21 Comment By EngineerScotty On March 21, 2016 @ 3:13 am

Me: “So far, the middle in the US seems to be doing a good job. One extreme is a fairly small faction on the left, that the Democrats keep at arms’ length. ”

Viking: No Scotty, you lost the right to make this argument when you justified violently shutting down a Trump rally.

When did I do that, exactly? I recall disputing the nonsense that “this will elect Trump” that cropped up, and I’ll defend the right of protesters to protest–but I haven’t defended or encouraged any violence (or threats thereof) against Trump or his supporters.

I don’t mind civil disobedience at Trump rallies–but many of the protesters recently protesting them (and more to the point, disrupting them) are going about that the wrong way, and making asses of themselves. If you’re going to do CD, it should be peaceful, passive, and end with the protesters willingly arrested. I generally oppose disruption and shouting-down as a tactic, but I don’t consider either of these to constitute “violence”, without actual injury or threats thereof to other people.

And I’ve objected numerous times to the notion that WCWs have grievances sufficiently severe that appeals to violence from that subculture are understandable (even if lamentable), but that the left does not. The Law of Merited Impossibility works both ways, to the extent that it works at all.

You also excused threatening to beat up at a reporter at Mizzou.

I’m quite very certain I never excused that–indeed, I seem to recall expressing some minor satisfaction that Ms. Click was dismissed and booked by the law as a result of her actions. I wouldn’t put her in jail, of course–the state of Missouri has much better things to do with its prison beds–but I don’t think threatening reporters is acceptable at all.

Now, I think that many of the Mizzou protesters have legitimate grievances, as do those protesting the Donald. But ends generally don’t justify means.

You don’t keep these people at arm’s length when they win.

Are you referring to me personally, or “you” meaning liberals, or some ill-defined subset thereof? I personally have utterly nothing to do with the Trump protests. Both of the Democratic candidates’ campaigns have claimed nothing to do with the protests, and one of the candidates is generally disliked by the organization (MoveOn.org) that did organize the protest. But if you want to engage in “all liberals are responsible for the conduct of any liberal” style arguments, knock yourself out.

The truth is you’re not nonviolent, you’re just a coward.

I’m quite nonviolent, actually.

Your last remark is offensive nonsense, that not being a Southerner, I have the option to simply disregard :), which I shall now exercise.

But confusing nonviolence with cowardice seems to be a common error among some people–and all the more ironic if such people claim to follow the Gospels.

#22 Comment By EngineerScotty On March 21, 2016 @ 3:19 am

In this election season,so much anger, so much more threat of violence than in the past maybe 100 years, I think we should all look at where we are in the hierarchy. If one isn’t at risk of losing a home or needing social welfare help to feed children, maybe a more understanding attitude would be a good thing.

In the 1960s, people were getting shot left and right–including one sitting President of the United States, followed by his brother, who was a candidate for that office at the time.

Church-bombings, lynchings, and violent suppression of protest were common. And the left would occasionally get in on the fun as well, particularly during the Vietnam War.

If you think our politics is the nastiest it’s been in a century–you need to crack open a history book.

#23 Comment By icarusr On March 21, 2016 @ 6:58 am

“This is not to approve bullying or threats to his sense of safety, but the very real issues that are enraging Trumps supporters are there and REAL; Trump or no.”

Trump supporters have been “enraged” by the Republican Establishment and the like or Erick Erickson to believe that in 2008, they “lost” their country to a foreign invasion, and that the political party starting with a D has no legitimate claim to power when it wins elections. (See Glaivester, in another threat, promising “civil war” if the Democratic Party sweeps Congress and the Presidency. Let that sink in a bit.)

Both the Republican Establishment and the likes of Erickson now feign outrage at the antics of “enraged” Trump supporters, but they themselves are the cause of the rage.

Now, this is not to say that a certain segment of the Republican voting block who has been promised much and only seen the promises broken or undelivered (because unrealistic, chimerical or outright lies) do not have legitimate grievances against the Party and its media agitators. “Rage”? No.

#24 Comment By Glaivester On March 21, 2016 @ 8:48 am

mrscracker:

One of the vendors who was from an area of North GA . which had seen large Hispanic population growth said he was wary of Mexicans but once he got to know
them, he realized that they shared the same traditional family values and in fact were deeply conservative.
If the GOP could ever figure that out they might have a chance.

Baloney. This idea has been debunked time and again, both [4] and [5]. (A [6]).

Just for one thing, [7].

As for the GOP “figuring out” that Latinos are supposedly a natural conservative constituency, where were you during the Bush II administration? That’s all we ever heard. That’s all we ever heard from the consultants and leadership, too. Latinos are natural conservatives, if we just passed amnesty they’d become Republicans – or when that became too ludicrous, they’d claim that once we passed amnesty, Latinos would suddenly become very interested in at least listening to conservative ideas and give us a chance. This idea is ridiculous when said aloud (as I recall, Matt Lewis did say that Hispanics would “sit down with the GOP” once amnesty passed, but finding a blog post from 3 years ago when you don’t remember the exact wording can be very difficult, because most blogs don’t archive in a convenient way), so most use metaphors like “open a door” to avoid thinking about what they are saying too much.

The fact of the matter is, mrscracker is simply restating discredited conventional wisdom as if it were an innovative idea, which is how a lot of left-leaning ideas get portrayed (even by conservatives) because the left has been so successful at casting itself as the outsiders even when they control almost everything.

#25 Comment By Kurt Gayle On March 21, 2016 @ 8:53 am

Thanks to K.W. Jeter for: “Harvard Economist: Immigration System ‘Just Another Government Redistribution System’”—just 37 seconds – an excellent summary:

[8]

“What I’ve learned from all this is that immigration happens to come out to be just another government redistribution program.” (Testimony of Dr. George J. Borjas before the Senator Subcommittee, March 16, 2016)

#26 Comment By mrscracker On March 21, 2016 @ 9:23 am

K. W. Jeter ,
If you are saying that some business owners profit from cheap illegal immigrant labor, I’d agree. And it seems to me that some protest immigration while at the same time benefitting from it.
My point was that GOP politicians seem to go out of their way to alienate Hispanics, who tend to be conservative, Christian, hardworking, family oriented folk.
And I’m not for open borders. Every nation has a right to secure their own border & enforce immigration laws. Mexico & Canada do that, too. We just seem to be held to a double standard.

#27 Comment By Matt On March 21, 2016 @ 10:07 am

For those Trump supporters who point out the riots and buisness’ burning of Ferguson and Baltimore by BLM protesters I say:

Lets be better than that. Much better.

Trump should not be ‘warning’ of riots if things dont’ go his way at the convention. Think about how angry we all get when the media makes harmless euphemisms about anger and violence from the left.

Im angry about how we are governed and might be talked into a devils bargain with Trump. I certainly delight in the GOP’s panic and they deserve embarrassment after decades of gaming the social conservatives and concealing their true positions on immigration enforcement. All that said, Id still like to live in a functioning, mostly peaceful, pluralistic democracy when Trump is gone.

#28 Comment By mrscracker On March 21, 2016 @ 11:44 am

Glaivester,
Thank you for your comments.
The gentleman I met at the Civil War show was just relating his own personal experience with Hispanic folks in his community.
I think basing perception of any population solely on what you read online or what the media feeds us comes up short.

#29 Comment By Siarlys Jenkins On March 21, 2016 @ 1:01 pm

Trump supporters aren’t going to riot when he loses either the nomination or, by a landslide, the general election. It would be hilarious to see them burning down their own communities, but they would stop short and realize they wouldn’t be able to collect on their insurance policies. What are the going to do, burn down their own shopping centers? Trash the nearest social security office? A small number might be tempted to invade the nearest black or Hispanic neighborhood, but they know that this is no longer an era when the police would stand idly by as they did so, nor would the residents be passive in response… All in all, Trump supporters have too much to lose to indulge in such sport. They will get drunk in back yard barbecues and curse gathered around their big screen TVs.

the left has been so successful at casting itself as the outsiders even when they control almost everything.

Yeah, Bill Ayers is making a successful run for president and Bernardine Dohrn is president of the American Bar Association. Oh, and you can’t get elected in California unless Angela Davis gives you her stamp of approval. Not to mention the takeover of the Oklahoma legislature by the Second Green Corn Rebellion, and the election of a Communist majority to the New York city council…

Left? Left??? Who are you trying to kid?

#30 Comment By M_Young On March 22, 2016 @ 12:17 am

“The gentleman I met at the Civil War show was just relating his own personal experience with Hispanic folks in his community.”

In other words, anecdotes from a guy — if he really exists — who doesn’t know the stats, and who almost certainly doesn’t speak Spanish. He — if he exists — will be singing another tune soon enough, when his son can’t get a construction job or his daughter can’t get into a public hospital to give birth because all the beds are taken by you know who.

At any rate your anecdote is belied by the actual actions of Southern States wrt illegal immigration. That and the overwhelming support Trump got in George.

#31 Comment By UKIP 32 On March 22, 2016 @ 2:27 am

“This is one reason I hate it when pro-life protesters demonstrate outside of abortion doctors’ houses. If people cannot feel safe in their own home, nobody is safe anywhere.”

—Well the odd thing about this reasoning is that at least the Roman Catholic position is that a human person is born at conception (the Orthodox are not so dogmatic). If you think abortion is literally like the murder of another person, wouldn’t it be just to target doctors (unless you are a strict pacifist, which few are and the RCC is not)? And if that be the least bit murky, at the very least, why should a doctor feel safe within his own house? He’s a murderer.

I am not advocating such actions because I don’t share the RCC position, but it is strange when I read polls that say 50% of Americans think abortion is literally murder but the worst thing in the world is killing an abortion doctor … to prevent possibly hundreds more ‘murders’.

The truth is almost nobody lives like they really believe that.

In any case, Erickson’s matter sounds like drama queenery. The audio clips don’t prove Trumpkins are trying to kill him – one doesn’t mention Trump and the other is a threat of boycott. If there is more to it, Erickson can release the info – otherwise, I don’t believe it.