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Disgraceful Broward County Deputies

Not exactly true

This is shocking, really shocking: [1]

When Coral Springs police officers arrived at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, on February 14 in the midst of the school shooting crisis, many officers were surprised to find not only that Broward County Sheriff’s Deputy Scot Peterson, the armed school resource officer, had not entered the building, but that three other Broward County Sheriff’s deputies were also outside the school and had not entered, Coral Springs sources tell CNN. The deputies had their pistols drawn and were behind their vehicles, the sources said, and not one of them had gone into the school.

With direction from the Broward deputies who were outside, Coral Springs police soon entered the building where the shooter was. New Broward County Sheriff’s deputies arrived on the scene, and two of those deputies and an officer from Sunrise, Florida, joined the Coral Springs police as they went into the building.

So four Broward deputies not only refused to enter the school with a live shooter in it, but they sent in Coral Springs deputies instead?! That is jaw-dropping. If true, the Broward County sheriff ought to resign at once and leave the county. What a catastrophic failure of law enforcement — worse, even, than the FBI’s failure: [2]

A woman who knew the teenager accused of shooting 17 people to death at a Florida high school last week told the F.B.I. last month that Nikolas Cruz possessed an arsenal of weapons and ammunition, and she worried he might be “getting into a school and just shooting the place up.”

“I know he’s going to explode,” the woman said in a call to the F.B.I.’s tip hotline on Jan. 5, according to a transcript of the call obtained by The New York Times. (Read the transcript [3].)

The acting F.B.I. deputy director, David L. Bowdich, briefed congressional staff members about the call on Friday and acknowledged the F.B.I.’s failure to investigate the tip, according to a federal official. The details of the call were first reported Friday by The Wall Street Journal.

Do read the transcript. In it, the woman who called in that tip told the “intake specialist” at the FBI about how Cruz once chopped up a dazed but living bird on his mother’s kitchen table, in front of her, just to see what was inside of it. A psycho killer, for sure. And … nothing happened. Until he blew away 17 kids. With four Broward County deputies outside the school with guns, waiting for Coral Springs deputies to show up so they could say, “After you, gents.”

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#1 Comment By galanx On February 24, 2018 @ 9:30 pm

This is just a projection of Rambo-style fantasies of the “if I was there, I’d totally be a hero” type.
Talk of the FBI “dropping the ball”- if the FBI had done something, the same people would have been screaming about the heavy hand of government hassling some innocent kid just because he was wearing a MAGA hat.

#2 Comment By Siarlys Jenkins On February 24, 2018 @ 10:01 pm

How many of those unarmed children might the police be allowed to shoot down, because they were holding phones, for example, or because one of them reached to pull up his pants?

mzala, that’s worth considering, but, if we leave it at that, we might as well not have police at all. Or their job could be to wait outside the school until the shooter comes out, after killing everyone inside, and apprehend him before he goes anywhere else.

Police training can, and should, include saving as many lives as possible while accurately identifying the active shooter(s). The Israeli team that went into Entebbe airport managed it with some precision.

It is so very disturbing, and yet instructive, to see the left giving a complete pass to the FBI and law enforcement…

Names, dates, organizational affiliations, and direct quotes please.

In the case Warren v. District of Columbia a federal court ruled that police don’t have a duty to protect anyone.

That is true in the rather narrow meaning of “duty” giving rise to grounds for filing a lawsuit. That is, the estate of the deceased may not sue the officers for failure to take more aggressive action. The case says nothing about whether the officers might be fired for dereliction of duty.

The sheriff is responsible for training and motivating his men. He is responsible for the doctrine used to respond to these incidents. He should have resigned by now. He should be fired.

Before stringing that set of truisms together and sustaining the facile conclusion, we first need to inquire into what their training was, what the applicable doctrine was, whether the deputies adhered to it or not, and why or why not. What would change if this sheriff were fired? Would it be a change for the better, or for the worse?

#3 Comment By Cato On February 24, 2018 @ 10:35 pm

“Is it illegal to kill a bird?”

It depends on the species, I think most native birds are illegal to kill without relevant permits, nonnative species tend to be legal to kill.

#4 Comment By George Douglas On February 25, 2018 @ 10:31 am

Rod,

When seconds count the police are only minutes away. Maybe they can’t get there, or as here, are waiting for backup. The target of any attack or assault (by gun, knife, bat, fists) is ALWAYS the “first responder”.

Whether the target then becomes a victim or a survivor will depend on his/her mindset, alertness, training and having the means to effectively fight back.

Many people live in areas where law enforcement response times can be 10 minutes — even longer in more rural areas (think New Mexico, Colorado, most any part of Texas, Kansas — you get the idea). A so-called ‘assault’ weapon may be just what’s needed in such areas when the cavalry isn’t coming for a while.

#5 Comment By kgasmart On February 26, 2018 @ 9:23 am

I have no idea what Broward County Sheriff’s Dept policy is on this kind of situation, but I have no problem at all with cops waiting until they feel they have adequate back-up before entering an obviously dangerous situation with very little facts.

Chew on this:

The SRO (school resource officer) who was first on the scene knew those kids. He was in that school every day, walking around and talking to them; he knew them, they knew him as the “good guy with the gun,” the guy who was there to protect them.

Yet at crunch time he stayed outside, listening to the gunfire, listening to those kids he knew being shot.

Yes. Yes we should judge.

#6 Comment By CMPT On February 26, 2018 @ 11:37 am

kgasmart: The SRO (school resource officer) who was first on the scene knew those kids. He was in that school every day, walking around and talking to them; he knew them, they knew him as the “good guy with the gun,” the guy who was there to protect them.

1. My statement was in response to your original comment about the sheriffs, not the SRO. I don’t see how this statement here about the SRO saves your comment about the sheriffs.

2. It sounds like there is only one SRO and that he is not armed. I think it’s crazy to expect a single, unarmed, lowly-paid person to give up his life to a mass shooter (or shooters, since it was not clear to anyone on the outside how many were involved) when there’s very little reason to believe he could have saved anyone else’s life.

3. I say again, before we cavalierly condemn people for not giving up their very lives in order to stop heavily-armed assailants, maybe we should consider what rights of our own we’re prepared to give up in order to prevent potential assailants from becoming so heavily-armed in the first place.