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The Desmondization Of America

Lutheran divine Anders Nelson channels Dolly Parton hymn celebrating hot loins, in Luther Seminary Chapel (Anders Nelson Facebook [1])

Oh great, the ACLU is suing the City of Lafayette (La.) over the city’s decision not to allow a Drag Queen Story Hour in the local library. [2]

Understand: the ACLU considers it discriminatory for a library to turn down a request by men dressed up as women to read storybooks to children. Seems to me that the ACLU is all in favor of the Desmondization of America.  [3]

No kidding, though, this really and truly ticks me off. Do the people of Lafayette not have the right to decide that drag queens reading stories to kids in the public library is not something they want in their community? Drag queens are a protected class now? Does everybody in the country have to have the morals of the spiritually debauched Evangelical Lutheran Church of America now?

Here’s what I mean. At its Luther Seminary [4], the denomination’s largest training school for ministry, seminarian Anders Nelson, who has been an intern pastor at an ELCA parish, lip-synched to a Dolly Parton song in the seminary’s chapel, as part of the school’s annual Lip Sync contest. Watch this spiritual father of Lutheran souls shake his groove thang here.  [1]

He won the contest, by the way. In the video, Pastor Nelson performs “Baby I’m Burning” in the chapel. Chorus:

Pastor Nelson

Baby I’m burning out of control
Baby I’m burning body and soul
Hot as a pistol of flaming desire
Baby I’m burning
You got me on fire

 

 

Some church, that ELCA. It’s superstar pastor, Nadia Bolz-Weber, who recently endorsed “ethically sourced” pornography [5] (note to zoophiles: make sure that the chicken being bonked in that perv video you love is cage-free, unless, of course, the chicken is into BDSM and consenting) left her Colorado parish in charge of a drag queen pastor named — not making this up — “Fruitbomb.” [6]

Desmond Is Amazing has a bright future as an ELCA bishop — if ELCA is still around when he grows up, [7] that is.

I kid! Nobody takes a drag queen pastor seriously, or a church that celebrates drag queens singing about their sizzling loins in chapel. Still, it’s amazing to see how decadent a formerly staid church has gotten. Bet if they wanted to have a conservative Lutheran Church (Missouri Synod) Story Hour at a public library, ACLU lawyers would run over Cajun grammaws in their Priuses to get to the courthouse to sue.

UPDATE: Here’s video of one of the would-be drag queens from Lafayette speaking at a public hearing about the matter. After the 2:20 point, he says that the event is meant for “the grooming of the next generation.” Freudian slip!

UPDATE.2: Reader Elijah writes:

Well, my little rural county just had a similar drag queen event at the main library (our county is barely 100,000 people). It was in the local paper and I called a close Christian friend who wrote the story and asked her how on earth this came to be and she said the library staff came up with the idea (“experts”, no doubt) and the higher-ups at the paper insisted on a story: the reporters had no interest and told everyone the reaction in our rural county would not be good.

Know how many people attended? Six. All children of the staff. What a shock.

And I can tell you that the library staff is now under enormous fire for having planned the event at all: in an era of reduced resources for many Americans, and access to information still not available to many rural people, is this what we’re paying the library staff to do?

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#1 Comment By Parmenides On December 21, 2018 @ 8:34 pm

Actually the ACLU is correct to file the suit. The government cannot discriminate based on speech in a particular case unless they have broad clear rules as the use of a space that precludes the particular activity. To have the plaintiffs only be able to reserve the room in the case of signing a pledge not to have a particular event is a particular rule for a particular person type of situation.

Rules must be general and apply to all people. This is not that case. You may have a problem with the view point or the performance but the lawyers would need to construct a rule that applied to all and was not on its face view point discriminatory. It doesn’t matter that you don’t like that view point.

#2 Comment By Anonymous Lutheran On December 21, 2018 @ 8:42 pm

Keep in mind that, with the exception of gays and lesbians in committed relationship, none of this is endorsed by the constitutions and policies of the ELCA. The seminaries, bishops and bureaucracy of the ELCA are simply doing whatever they want with impunity. When the orthodox Lutherans who remain object, they are ignored or told not to believe their lying eyes. After all, the official documents of the church haven’t changed, so what does it matter if a few people act in bad faith?

#3 Comment By no comment On December 21, 2018 @ 8:49 pm

When this matter was debated in Louisiana in a local city council session about a month ago, people for and against allowing drag queen reading time were allowed to speak on the matter before the council. A drag queen used his opportunity to speak make the argument that drag queen reading time should be allowed so that drag queens can continue to “groom” the next generation. No joke. The admission came straight from the horse’s mouth: drag queen reading time is about grooming kids. The video is all over the internet. I personally ran across it on Roosh’s twitter feed.

#4 Comment By Furor On December 21, 2018 @ 8:52 pm

Meeeeeh

I repeat: LGBT is an issue for at most 3% of the country. The worst way in which it can be used by the state is through disallowing tax relief for institutions which would mean decimating them.

The real issues are abortion, divorce, IVF, sexual promiscuity, because they relate directly to the masses and the social order of the USA

#5 Comment By Dave On December 21, 2018 @ 8:58 pm

The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America is neither Evangelical, Lutheran or a Church, so I call it the —A.

As a confessional Lutheran, I wish the ELCA would finish its long sad groping towards paganism.

#6 Comment By Secular Transhumanist On December 21, 2018 @ 9:07 pm

I have to agree with Parmenides. Thanks to the ACLJ and the precedent they set in the Lamb’s Chapel case, “equal access” is now the law of the land. You don’t get to force schools and libraries to allow Christian programming in publicly-available spaces, and then allow them to exclude anything else based on content. It’s all or nothing, thanks to Jay Sekulow.

You guys handed the drag queens (and the Satanists, and everyone else) the metaphorical gun. Don’t act so surprised because they’re not pointing it in the direction you thought they would.

#7 Comment By Nate J On December 21, 2018 @ 9:26 pm

So… what is up with drag queens reading books to kids in libraries? Because it seems like it is happening in basically every major city in North America.

I just find it so strange. There must be some level of coordination here, right? I’m genuinely perplexed by this.

Laugh all you want at us paranoid social conservatives and our obsessions with “The Gay Agenda”, but it certainly feels as if this was a plan crafted at some boardroom table. It’s as if somebody decided that drag queens reading books to kids at public libraries would be the next tactic in LGBTQRSTUV evangelism.

We cannot even get our churches as unified in purpose and message as this North American Association of Drag Queens or whoever is orchestrating all this.

Anyway, I just find it weird, and I find it weird how few other people find it weird. Drag queens and libraries. Huh. Anyway, carry on.

#8 Comment By John On December 21, 2018 @ 9:31 pm

If it’s A public library than the ACLU may have a valid case based on viewpoint discrimination grounds.

[NFR: So, what about Stripper Story Hour? What about Methhead Story Hour? What about Man-Boy Love Story (But Non-Sexual, We Swear) Story Hour? Where does it stop? — RD]

#9 Comment By catbird On December 21, 2018 @ 9:56 pm

“The government cannot discriminate based on speech in a particular case unless they have broad clear rules as the use of a space that precludes the particular activity.”

This is why we can’t have nice things. Really and truly. Such a dogma means public funding of CULTURE is impossible, because culture is discriminating by nature. There’s good discrimination and bad discrimination but there’s always discrimination.

So the result of your dogma, Parmenides, is that government has to get out of culture entirely: no libraries, no schools, no NPR, no public TV — nothing. It’s moving slowly, but that’s the direction it’s moving.

Which is a disaster.

I solace myself with visions of you and the Koch brothers gnawing each others’ flesh in hell.

#10 Comment By charles cosimano On December 21, 2018 @ 10:02 pm

Now you see these things that look like big headphones? They have pipes that go to that huge turbine over there.

We put them over Rod’s ears, show him stories like this and the steam coming out of his ears can easily power a city of several hundred thousand.

Even trannies have a use, in this case lighting people’s homes.

“Do the people of Lafayette not have the right to decide that drag queens reading stories to kids in the public library is not something they want in their community?”

In the eyes of the law? No. They do not.

#11 Comment By Mister Pickwick On December 21, 2018 @ 10:14 pm

I agree with everything you say in this post, Rod, except the broad condemnation of the ELCA. My wife and I belong to an ELCA congregation here in Montana that is full-on traditional and conservative (and which is not in sync with what is happening at the national denominational level). In just about every denomination I know of, there is a certain amount of nuttery at the top (denominational bureaucracy, seminaries, etc) but the folks back home in the pews are largely still orthodox.

#12 Comment By Adamant On December 21, 2018 @ 10:17 pm

“After the 2:20 point, he says that the event is meant for “the grooming of the next generation.” Freudian slip!”

Worse than a crime: mistake. If ‘he’ was a little brighter, he would have said ‘proselytize’ instead of ‘groom’ and established Our Fabulous Lady of the Holy Story Time as a church, and transvestism as a sacrament of the one true faith. That way the elders of the fair city of Lafayette would have been on board for a public exercise of religious liberty! I have it on good authority this is a thing of which all right thinking Americans approve.

#13 Comment By Adamant On December 21, 2018 @ 10:23 pm

“Do the people of Lafayette not have the right to decide that drag queens reading stories to kids in the public library is not something they want in their community?”

Do the people of Colorado or Washington, through their democratically elected representatives, have the right to decide the content of non-discrimination statutes? I’ve been told they do not.

Let a thousand flowers bloom!

#14 Comment By Fran Macadam On December 21, 2018 @ 10:50 pm

“[NFR: So, what about Stripper Story Hour? What about Methhead Story Hour? What about Man-Boy Love Story (But Non-Sexual, We Swear) Story Hour? Where does it stop? — RD]”

With someone looking back longingly over a hill and turning into a pillar of salt.

#15 Comment By MichaelGC On December 21, 2018 @ 11:04 pm

In the video, the cross-dresser who made the comment about grooming the next generation says other disturbing things, heaping deep contempt on the people who spoke out against Drag Queen Story Hour, saying he doesn’t want their kids to grow up and be like them. He makes the best case against allowing him to have any contact with children.

#16 Comment By Parmenides On December 21, 2018 @ 11:05 pm

Catbird, I’m unsure how you came to understand my statement as meaning that the government could not do anything as relates to culture. What I meant is that any rule the government places as to the use of a space or the funding of anything has to cut broad enough to not be discriminatory to only one view point. If the library said that they would not allow their space to be used to be used to advocate for any thing having to do with gender, then neither these folks nor Rod would likely be able to use the space. Thus, it would be a general rule.

As for culture being only one view point, I’m not sure you’ve read much US history as there have been folks pointing in 1900 directions and still being in the same culture.

#17 Comment By Jonah R. On December 21, 2018 @ 11:15 pm

I have the same question Nate J does.”Drag queens reading at libraries” is one of the least intuitive children’s pastimes I can imagine, even in the liberal enclave where I live. This must be coordinated, right?

[NFR: “Librarian” is, believe it or not, a very woke profession. — RD]

#18 Comment By Seoulite On December 22, 2018 @ 12:40 am

@catbird

“The government cannot discriminate based on speech in a particular case unless they have broad clear rules as the use of a space that precludes the particular activity.”

This is why we can’t have nice things. Really and truly. Such a dogma means public funding of CULTURE is impossible, because culture is discriminating by nature. There’s good discrimination and bad discrimination but there’s always discrimination.

I think the wider point here is that this retreat to legalism is what happens when a country loses a common culture and / or that culture becomes irreligious and therefore amoral.

Before, the United States was broadly ruled by a protestant Christian ethic that arose from European Christendom and English Liberalism. Many parts of ‘culture’ and ‘society’ were enforced by unspoken rules that virtually everyone agreed to. Yes, those rules worked badly for some minority groups, but that was how it worked. There was no need to make a legal argument for or against drag queens reading books to children or children dancing in gay clubs. These things just weren’t allowed to happen according to the unwritten rules of the society.

Liberalism and diversity have now destroyed any kind of homogenous culture in the US, and so legal arguments are all that remain. In religious societies, and secular societies with strong cultures like Japan, these thing are dealt with among people in the community.

So in a way you are right, any public funding of what you used to call culture is now impossible. The only culture permitted will be that approved of by those with legal power: the progressives. Hence why drag queens are grooming the next generation in your local library on your dime.

#19 Comment By Xenie On December 22, 2018 @ 12:48 am

Nate J raises a good point. In fact, the national librarian’s association had a seminar on how to bring the drag queen storytime to your local branch at their 2018 yearly conference. This is definitely being done on purpose, in an organized and methodical way.

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#20 Comment By Xenie On December 22, 2018 @ 12:51 am

Also, for someone with more journalistic resources than this stay at home mom has, perhaps it would be fruitful to look into who is funding the national nonprofit Drag Queen Story Hour.

[9]

They even have a kids’ activity book for sale:

Want to help Hello Mellow get into drag? A collaboration between Sez Me and Drag Queen Story Hour, The Dragtivity Book gives kids an inside look into what it’s like to be a drag queen! Kids have a lot of questions after attending Drag Queen Story Hour, and sometimes parents and teachers don’t have all the answers. We created The Dragtivity Book to provide a fun way for children and the adults in their lives to continue exploring drag and gender together.

Makes you wonder how close they can step up to the line of overt grooming and luring before someone says “enough.”

#21 Comment By Rombald On December 22, 2018 @ 3:04 am

Being English, and a bit old-fashioned, all this talk of drag queens makes me think of Dame Edna Everage and Widow Twankie. It doesn’t sound lie a way to sexualise kids.

OK, the USA’s different, I know!!

[NFR: Dame Edna was popular here too. In the LGBT rights era, drag has become politicized. Note well how Desmond is marketed. — RD]

#22 Comment By ludo On December 22, 2018 @ 6:26 am

‘Things get more complex with the struggle for universal human rights. We get here the “contradiction” between proponents of these rights and those who warn that, in their standard version, universal human rights are not truly universal but implicitly privilege Western values (individuals have primacy over collectives, etc.) and are thereby a form of ideological neocolonialism. No wonder that the reference to human rights served as a justification of many military interventions, from Iraq to Libya.

‘Partisans of universal human rights counter that their rejection often serves to justify local forms of authoritarian rule and repression as elements of a particular way of life. But how to decide here?

‘A middle-of-the-road compromise is not enough, so one should give preference to universal human rights for a very precise reason. The dimension of universality has to serve as a medium in which multiple ways of life can coexist, and the Western notion of universality of human rights contains the self-critical dimension which makes visible its own limitations.

‘When the standard Western ideas are criticized for a particular bias, this critique itself has to refer to some notion of more authentic universality which makes us see the distortion of a false universality.

But some form of universality is always here, even a modest vision of the coexistence of different and ultimately incompatible ways of life has to rely on it. In short, what this means is that the “principal contradiction” is not that of the tension(s) between different ways of life but the “contradiction” within each way of life (“culture,” organization of its jouissance) between its particularity and its universal claim.

To use a technical term, each particular way of life is by definition caught in “pragmatic contradiction,” its claim to validity is undermined not by the presence of other ways of life but by its own inconsistency.‘– Slavoj Zizek

Referring especially to the parts italicized, isn’t this precisely, almost is if by programmatic design, what the burgeoning phenomenon of transgender-ism and, in a more dilute form, transvestism does: egregiously, shockingly highlight in precise, specific, but also far-reaching ways, how ‘each particular way of life is by definition caught in “pragmatic contradiction,”’ thereby equally highlighting that ‘its claim to validity is undermined not by the presence of other ways of life but by its own inconsistency?’

It’s as though the LGBT+ debates, and most especially, indeed emphatically, the transgender dimension were designed to test the maximal limits of the liberal state, seemingly for the purposes of stressing it to its utmost limits, if not to its outright breaking point.

Either the anthropological (but not necessarily the economic) foundation of a society, such as America’s, becomes revolutionized by transgender ‘discourses,’ so that, for example, it becomes legally normative for genitally-intact males affirming themselves females to use the locker rooms, showers, and sauna facilities, etc., of public schools and universities, (etc.,) or the ‘revolution’ fails and the paradoxes inherent in present Western liberalism are epochally resolved by a new more pragmatic and perhaps empirical philosophical Weltanschauung.

In any case, the present transgender controversies appear almost precisionally/scientifically designed, in the manner of a metal detector, magnet attractor, or radioactive ink, to detect, extract, highlight and/or infill the full scope of self-contradictory “crevasses” that unquestionably marble the edifice of Western liberalism from base to summit.

#23 Comment By Erdrick On December 22, 2018 @ 8:22 am

Jonah R. says:
December 21, 2018 at 11:15 pm
I have the same question Nate J does.”Drag queens reading at libraries” is one of the least intuitive children’s pastimes I can imagine, even in the liberal enclave where I live. This must be coordinated, right?

[NFR: “Librarian” is, believe it or not, a very woke profession. — RD]

It isn’t at my local library: [10]

No drag queens here.

#24 Comment By David J. White On December 22, 2018 @ 8:27 am

[NFR: “Librarian” is, believe it or not, a very woke profession. — RD]

As someone with a master’s in library science, who used to work as a professional librarian, I can attest to this.

When I started library school 20 years ago, the director of the program told us that the library profession is based on the principle that people have a right to think whatever they want. I wonder how many of them still believe that.

#25 Comment By David J. White On December 22, 2018 @ 8:29 am

If we can have Drag Queen Story Hour, why not Blackface Story Hour?

#26 Comment By John Farrier On December 22, 2018 @ 8:34 am

[NFR: “Librarian” is, believe it or not, a very woke profession. — RD]

Librarian here. Yes, it is. Most of us just go about our daily lives and work. But there’s a small percentage who engage in outright social and political advocacy. And they meet with no resistance within the profession, which is why they succeed.

The spread of drag queen storytime has been incredibly fast–just about two years. It went from a new idea to “you’d better not oppose this if you value your job” in that amount of time.

Next up: leatherdaddy storytime. Because if we accept drag queen storytime, then what is the argument against other fetishes?

#27 Comment By Mr “Hate Crime” On December 22, 2018 @ 8:47 am

Rod, we agree a lot on these types of issues but I disagree with you on this one for a very simple reason:

Parents aren’t obligated to take their children to listen to this filth.

If parents don’t want their kids to go to this thing – and they shouldn’t – then don’t take them while it’s going on.

And the city council or the city manager or whoever doesn’t set the schedule, the librarian (for lack of a better word) does. If you don’t like what the librarian is doing, then fire him or her.

#28 Comment By William Tighe On December 22, 2018 @ 9:28 am

Mister Pickwick wrote:

“My wife and I belong to an ELCA congregation here in Montana that is full-on traditional and conservative (and which is not in sync with what is happening at the national denominational level). In just about every denomination I know of, there is a certain amount of nuttery at the top (denominational bureaucracy, seminaries, etc) but the folks back home in the pews are largely still orthodox.”

If it is really (*) so “traditional and conservative,” why doesn’t it vote itself out of the ELCA and then, maybe, into another Lutheran body? You must know that this is allowed by the ELCA constitution. (In that regard, while the Episcopal “Church” is like Hell, because parishes and congregations, once there, are there forever, the EL”C”A is more like Purgatory, in that there is an exit.) So why not take the exit?

(*) I’ve lost count of the number of “traditional and conservative” ELCAites I’ve encountered who turn out to be all-out supporters of the pretended ordination of women and for whom so often the Missouri Synod’s adamant opposition to WO is an insuperable obstacle for them (or their congregation as a whole) “going to Missouri.” These folks have a peculiar understanding of “traditional and conservative,” as they wish to conserve a tradition that goes back only to 1970.

Another critique often made of the LC-MS is that it is “fundamentalist.” I’m not sure what that term of abuse means in a Lutheran context, but all that the LC-MS requires of individuals joining it is an acceptance of Luther’s Small Catechism, which seems, in my non-Lutheran view, merely and obviously Lutheran. (Of course, Lutheran pastors coming to the LC-MS from other Lutheran bodies, like clergy from other denominations who come to it, and who wish to be recognized [?certified, ?ordained] as pastors in it, have to go through a more exacting process of doctrinal instruction, which is both to be expected and also a highly commendable practice.)

If Lutheran “folks in the pew” support WO they are not “still orthodox.” Like Original Sin as a doctrine having empirical support, so does this judgment of mine. Has there ever been a Lutheran body that accepts WO which does not start sliding down the facilis descensus to permitting, embracing, celebrating homosexual pseudogamy and then, as we have begun to see, even worse?

#29 Comment By David J, White On December 22, 2018 @ 9:54 am

“Do the people of Lafayette not have the right to decide that drag queens reading stories to kids in the public library is not something they want in their community?”

In the eyes of the law? No. They do not.

Actually, there is a perfectly legal way for residents to send a message that they are opposed to this sort of thing: next time a library levy comes up on the ballot, campaign—and vote—against it.

#30 Comment By MichaelGC On December 22, 2018 @ 10:09 am

Not long after beginning high school in the 1960s I read J. D. Salinger’s Catcher in the Rye. One part stood out then and struck me as very strange, even though it was in a rather peculiar book:

After he left, I looked out the window for a while, with my coat on and all. I didn’t have anything else to do. You’d be surprised what was going on on the other side of the hotel. They didn’t even bother to pull their shades down. I saw one guy, a gray-haired, very distinguished-looking guy with only his shorts on, do something you wouldn’t believe me if I told you. First he put his suitcase on the bed. Then he took out all these women’s clothes, and put them on. Real women’s clothes–silk stockings, high-heeled shoes, brassiere, and one of those corsets with the straps hanging down and all. Then he put on this very tight black evening dress. I swear to God. Then he started walking up and down the room, taking these very small steps, the way a woman does, and smoking a cigarette and looking at himself in the mirror.

That seems so quaint in retrospect, to think that there was ever a time when fetishists confined it to seedy hotel rooms. Had someone told me then that one day I would live in a world where such sleazy drag queens would be conducting Children’s Story Hour at the library I would have thought them howling mad. Yet here we are.

#31 Comment By Summer Kinard On December 22, 2018 @ 10:46 am

When an event is aimed at children, there should be limits based on age-appropriateness and content. Sexuality is not a developmentally appropriate subject for young children, regardless of one’s take on the morality of the performers. If I proposed a Meth-Head Christian Calculus Hour for Toddlers, I would expect it to be cast out because of the age-inappropriate drug and higher math content, regardless of the moral implications of the “Christian” moniker.

No one should expect that a sexual spectacle directed towards young children is appropriate developmentally. There are, however, usually additional problems with these story hours, as they often openly mock Catholic nuns and traditional motherhood. From a pluralist public point of view, those things should matter, too, but the exposure of children to sexuality is the bigger problem.

#32 Comment By John R On December 22, 2018 @ 10:54 am

Rod – not sure if my post ‘cleared’ the Robot ‘test’. If it did, please delete this duplicate.

The ELCA churches I have worshipped at (NC & VA) as a visitor were ‘conservative’. The juxtaposition of this article plus the 2018 ELCA National Youth Gathering compared to the local churches helps to explain the freefall of ELCA membership. The LCMS is perhaps too rigid and bureaucratic at the national level, though still conservative – and it too is hemorrhaging membership.

There is no simple remedy to the alarming trend – even the Baptists have peaked and are beginning to see warning signs of bleak years ahead(ex. adult baptisms are at the lowest level since records were kept, 1947). Protestants and Catholics face the same future trial: How do you maintain a ‘critical mass’ of members, finances and infrastructure to sustain traditional church functions. In 2013 I was at a church leadership conference where the keynote speaker predicted the church as we knew it would not exist in 2038 (25 years). The timeline needs to be moved forward to 2028… There is a perfect storm brewing that includes a shortage of new seminary trained pastors; within ten years 70% of all pastors in service today will be 68 or older and there is but a trickle of new pastors in the pipeline.

#33 Comment By Eric Todd On December 22, 2018 @ 10:56 am

NFR: So, what about Stripper Story Hour? What about Methhead Story Hour? What about Man-Boy Love Story (But Non-Sexual, We Swear) Story Hour? Where does it stop? — RD

It never stops. I say this as someone who was baptised ELCA, but has since left for Orthodoxy. Orthodoxy stops.

The mainline Protestant churches have no fixed epistemology. “God is love”—that mantra is repeated throughout liberal Lutheranism—and “love” is whatever the popular zeitgeist says it is in the current moment. So there is no way really a priori for liberal Lutherans to define God. As such, God is anything that is popular and thus nothing that is enduring.

#34 Comment By Andrea On December 22, 2018 @ 11:11 am

At least parents have a choice not to take kids to the drag queen story hour at the library. I suppose public schools will now be pressured to let drag queens take their turn reading to kids since other people get to. That would really be a captive audience. Community standards used to mean something.

I am very much in favor of live and let live. I supported the legalization of gay marriage mainly because I thought it would encourage stability and adherence to social norms. This isn’t it. As appalling as I find Putin and some Russian policies and abuse of human rights, I don’t think their law against promoting LGBT to kids is all that bad an idea. At a guess, Desmond’s parents would be charged with child abuse in Moscow and there would be no drag queen story hour.

#35 Comment By Rob G On December 22, 2018 @ 11:28 am

“I solace myself with visions of you and the Koch brothers gnawing each others’ flesh in hell.”

I have long thought that the greatest entertainment event on Earth would be to find George Soros a tag-team partner, then have the two of them go at it with the Koch’s in a no-holds barred cage match.

We could possibly eliminate at least three of the planet’s most hideous troublemakers in one fell swoop.

#36 Comment By Jim in Ohio On December 22, 2018 @ 12:16 pm

For those who are unaware: drag isn’t a “fetish”. You’re thinking of transvestism.

I’ve been to a number of drag shows, and almost without exception, it’s done from a perspective of performance art, comedy and camp. These folks aren’t actually trying to pass as the opposite gender.

Look at some of their stage names: Hedda Letuce, Violet Chachki, Farrah Moan, Penny Tentiary. It’s a joke, and I can’t honestly recall a drag performer who attempted to portray their sexuality in a serious or sincere manner.

So whatever this movement is, it’s not about sexualizing children, even if it is socially transgressive (which I understand is upsetting enough to many parents.)

#37 Comment By Siarlys Jenkins On December 22, 2018 @ 12:30 pm

Anders Nelson… such a good conservative German name. I wonder what Garrison Keillor would have made of him?

Even though I can’t take communion, I am developing a greater appreciation for WELS over ELCA over the years.

I occasionally receive an unsolicited invitation to join the ACLU. I generally write back that when the ACLU apologizes for the show trial and expulsion of founding member Elizabeth Gurley Flynn, I will consider it. But I won’t consider it while they are taking these kinds of cases.

I actually wouldn’t mind if the ACLU sued because a drag queen club wanted to use a community room on the same basis as any other community organization. But I do mind suing to demand that the library include it in library sponsored programs. There is a difference. “Equal opportunity” does not mean that even government institutions have NO discretion about how best to carry out their mission.

When an event is aimed at children, there should be limits based on age-appropriateness and content.

That too.

I have long thought that the greatest entertainment event on Earth would be to find George Soros a tag-team partner, then have the two of them go at it with the Koch’s in a no-holds barred cage match.

YES!

#38 Comment By catbird On December 22, 2018 @ 1:13 pm

“Actually, there is a perfectly legal way for residents to send a message that they are opposed to this sort of thing: next time a library levy comes up on the ballot, campaign—and vote—against it.”

Well, that’s exactly what will happen in the long run. But what I refuse to do is to say that destroying public libraries is a great thing we should all support.

A coyote may have to gnaw his foot off to escape a trap. But only a libertarian coyote would presuade himself that being three-legged is the demand of justice everywhere.

#39 Comment By catbird On December 22, 2018 @ 1:22 pm

Parmenides, read David J. White’s statement. In your little bubble, the government is funding 1900 varieties of culture. For now. But out in the big world, 500 of them will offend people. And those people will vote to defund . . . state universities, public libraries, public school, and so on, till it’s all gone.

And like the dogmatist you are, you’ll wonder “why are they doing that? What’s wrong with them? Don’t the support culture? Must be those evil Koch brothers got to them with their libertarian, low tax BS.”

No, it’s that people like YOU make the libertarian low tax BS sound like the only way they could stop drag queen hour in the public library.

#40 Comment By Nate J On December 22, 2018 @ 3:27 pm

Seoulite’s comment at 12:40 is fantastic.

These legalisms become necessary when you lose any coherence or solidarity or common norms in your society.

We are now trying to split the hairs finer and finer about what is/isn’t acceptable in the courts, but we will never reach a point where these issues get resolved definitively for ever and ever, amen. Legalism will only accelerate as a trend as we lose any sort of unwritten, unspoken unity about standards of right and wrong.

So, even art, once an obvious cultural marker and an important way of expressing society’s conception of beauty or goodness or truth, becomes just another breeding ground for legalism.

#41 Comment By Disrnr On December 22, 2018 @ 4:09 pm

~~~Nate J says:
December 21, 2018 at 9:26 pm:

“it certainly feels as if this was a plan crafted at some boardroom table.”~~~

It’s part of this:

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#42 Comment By JonF On December 24, 2018 @ 6:30 am

Re: Islam is in fact a political ideology for creating Empire, disguised as a religion, is because Islam forbids retreat from any piece of soil where Islam once arrived by might and force(Palestine – Israel).

Everyone has a right to free speech. But there is no right to any particular podium or megaphone. Telling the drag queens No would be no different from Mia Yannoupolis or Richard Spencer being uninvited to college campuses. Would you care to have either of those gentlemen conducting a Children’s Hour at your local library?

#43 Comment By Rob G On December 24, 2018 @ 7:57 am

“These legalisms become necessary when you lose any coherence or solidarity or common norms in your society.”

This is how liberalism’s soft despotism will come about. An ever-more anarchic personal freedom must be increasingly monitored so that it doesn’t bump into someone else’s anarchic personal freedom. What you end up with is the illusion of liberty: you’re “free,” but always under scrutiny, whether legal or actual.

#44 Comment By JonF On December 24, 2018 @ 11:20 am

Er, I meant “Milo Yiannapoulis”. Maybe Mia could be his drag name?

#45 Comment By JonJ On December 24, 2018 @ 3:47 pm

The ELCA is better known as the PLCA – the Post Lutheran Church in America. Evangelical and Lutheran is now our heritage, not our identity.

#46 Comment By Louis E. On December 24, 2018 @ 4:51 pm

What does “Evangelical Lutheran” mean anyway?
The LCMS is more conservative than the ELCA but less conservative than the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (not sure what the ELCA local bodies in Missouri and Wisconsin are called).

How can a private non-profit library be set up to serve the public while still being allowed to “discriminate” against promotion of misbehavior?

#47 Comment By Siarlys Jenkins On December 27, 2018 @ 11:39 am

Actually the ACLU is correct to file the suit. The government cannot discriminate based on speech in a particular case unless they have broad clear rules as the use of a space that precludes the particular activity.

You are confusing two very different concepts, and perhaps the ACLU has degenerated to the point where its lawyers can’t tell the difference either.

Even a public institution can make discretionary judgments about what sort of activity it wants to promote AS part of its own program. E.g., a library staff can decide, this is something worth promoting, that is not. If rooms in a public building are generally made available to the public, there can be no viewpoint discrimination in who or what groups can schedule use of the space.

Some years ago, a splinter of the Ku Klux Klan sought to sponsor a program by a Missouri radio station affiliated with NPR. The federal courts ruled that the station had no constitutional duty to accept their sponsorship, because that would association the station with the KKK, and would be a kind of compelled speech. Libraries have no First Amendment obligation to schedule drag queen story hours, just because some drag queen offered to do one.