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Why Many Christian Conservatives Support Roy Moore

Why would Christian conservatives in good conscience go to the polls on December 12 and vote for Judge Roy Moore, despite the charges of sexual misconduct with teenagers leveled against him?

Answer: That Alabama Senate race could determine whether Roe v. Wade is overturned. The lives of millions of unborn may be at stake.

Republicans now hold 52 Senate seats. If Democrats pick up the Alabama seat, they need only two more to recapture the Senate, and with it the power to kill any conservative court nominee, as they killed Robert Bork.

Today, the GOP, holding Congress and the White House, has a narrow path to capture the third branch, the Supreme Court, and to dominate the federal courts for a decade. For this historic opportunity, the party can thank two senators, one retired, the other still sitting.

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The first is former Democratic majority leader Harry Reid of Nevada.

In 2013, Harry exercised the “nuclear option,” abolishing the filibuster for President Obama’s judicial nominees. The Senate no longer needed 60 votes to confirm judges. Fifty-one Senate votes could cut off debate, and confirm.

Iowa’s Chuck Grassley warned Harry against stripping the minority of its filibuster power. Such a move may come back to bite you, he told Harry. Grassley is now Judiciary Committee chairman.

And this year a GOP Senate voted to use the nuclear option to shut down a filibuster of Supreme Court nominee Neil Gorsuch, who was then confirmed with 55 votes.

Yet the Democratic minority still had one card to play to block President Trump’s nominees—the “blue slip courtesy.”

If a senator from the state where a federal judicial nominee resides asks for a hold on proceedings by not returning a blue slip, the Judiciary Committee has traditionally honored that request and not held hearings.

Senator Al Franken of Minnesota used the blue slip to block the Trump nomination of David Stras to the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. Franken calls Stras too ideological, too conservative.

But Grassley has now decided to reject the blue slip courtesy for appellate court judges, since their jurisdiction is not just over a single state like Minnesota, but over an entire region.

Thus have the skids been greased for a conservative recapture of the federal judiciary unseen since the early days of FDR.

Eighteen of the 179 seats on the U.S. appellate courts and 119 of the 677 seats on federal district courts are already open. More will be opening up. No president in decades has seen the opportunity Trump has to remake the federal judiciary.

Not only are the federal court vacancies almost unprecedented, a GOP Senate and Trump are working in harness to fill them before January 2019, when a new Congress is sworn in.

If Republicans blow this opportunity, it is unlikely to come again. For the Supreme Court has seemed within Republican grasp before, only to have it slip away because of presidential errors.

Nixon had four nominees to the Supreme Court confirmed and Gerald Ford saw his nominee, John Paul Stevens, unanimously confirmed. But of those five justices, Stevens and Harry Blackmun joined the liberal bloc, and Chief Justice Warren Burger and Lewis Powell voted for Roe v. Wade.

Of Reagan’s three Supreme Court nominees confirmed, Sandra Day O’Connor and Anthony Kennedy cast crucial votes in 5-4 decisions to defeat the strict constructionists led by Antonin Scalia.

George H.W. Bush named Clarence Thomas to the court, but only after he had elevated David Souter, who also joined the liberal bloc.

Hence, both Trump, by whom he nominates, and a Republican Senate, with its power to confirm with 51 votes, are indispensable if we are to end judicial dictatorship in America.

And 2018 is the crucial year.

While Democrats, with 25 Senate seats at risk, would seem to be facing more certain losses than the GOP, with one third as many seats at stake, history teaches that the first off-year election of Trump’s presidency could prove a disaster.

Consider. Though Ike ended the Korean War in his first year, he lost both houses of Congress in his second. Reagan enacted one of the great tax cuts in history in his first year, and then lost 26 seats in the House in his second.

Bill Clinton lost control of both the House and Senate in his first off-year election. Barack Obama in 2010 lost six Senate seats and 54 seats and control of the House. And both presidents were more popular than Trump is today.

If the election in Virginia this year is a harbinger of what is to come, GOP control of Congress could be washed away in a tidal wave in 2018.

Hence, 2018 may be a do-or-die year to recapture the third branch of government for conservatism.

Which is why that December 12 election in Alabama counts.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of a new book, “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.” To find out more about Patrick Buchanan and read features by other Creators writers and cartoonists, visit the Creators website at www.creators.com.

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79 Comments To "Why Many Christian Conservatives Support Roy Moore"

#1 Comment By Dee On November 28, 2017 @ 5:22 pm

I just don’t get it, if you’re against abortion, do not have one.. In this country we are supposed to separate government and religions.. A majority has for a long time held that abortion should be a choice.. I am still trying to figure out how you’re minority opinion on an issue that conflicts with established law, and you do not have to follow (i.e. no one makes you get one), impinges on your “religious liberty”..

#2 Comment By A DC Wonk On November 28, 2017 @ 5:35 pm

This is an Alabama election. What the heck is the Washington Post doing there?

They are a national paper, for goodness sakes!

#3 Comment By Patrick On November 28, 2017 @ 5:39 pm

Patrick (Limestone County, Alabama)

I live in North Alabama and will be voting for Judge Roy Moore. My initial vote was for Mo Brooks but he could not overcome the Luther Strange multi-million dollar smear campaign. I don’t find the claims against Judge Roy Moore are sufficient to prove guilt and plan to vote as if the allegations were not made.

I question why these allegations, that are claimed to have happened as long as 40 years ago, were held until there would be insufficient time for a fair investigation before the election. None of these events were previously reported to authorities and all were released through a liberally biased media. No statements were made under oath, and the accused has not had the opportunity to review evidence and respond to each accusation individually.

We live in a nation were rules are established for gathering evidence and proving guilt; and these constitutional rights should also protect those seeking an elected office. Determining due process and guilt or innocence must he determined by our courts and not by the media.

The most damaging accusations against Judge Roy Moore are the claim of a sexual assault against a 14 and a 16 year old. There are inconsistencies with both cases and the only physical evidence is a document that appears forged, with the accuser’s lawyer refusing to submit this document for expert examination.

Other accusations are unsubstantiated rumors about being banned from a mall and football games; but there is no corroborating documentation and others with equal or greater credibility dispute these rumors.

Other cases involve Judge Roy Moore dating women above the age of consent. Typically age of consent applies to marriage and sexual activity and in these cases there is no admission of sexual activity by either the accusers or Judge Roy Moore.

A fair investigation can be done after the election using established rules of evidence and if there is sufficient evidence the senate seat can be vacated and another election called. This gives the opportunity for the accusers to make claims while also giving Judge Roy Moore the opportunity to address each issue. This process may also expose evidence of perjury as well as forgery.

Even with fair trials mistakes can be made because false accusation can appear so credible. There are examples of rape convictions proven as false by DNA evidence after years of imprisonment. There is also credible denials such as the infamous “I did not have sex with that woman” that was contradicted by a blue dress with DNA evidence. I’m also sure that the witnesses claiming possession were convincing at the Salem Witch Trials, but today does anyone believe that the executed were really witches?

#4 Comment By Lenny On November 28, 2017 @ 6:39 pm

LOL
The end justifies the means.
Machiavelli replaces the Bible as the guiding principle of Christian America.
And you wonder why people think you are a bunch of hypocrites?
Just on case you did not know, “the Prince” was not about a dictator a la Stalin, but rather the benevolent sovereign who is entitled to evil means to achieve “good” outcomes.
Enjoy it when the slowly forming super liberal majority will force priests to perform gay wedding or take away the tax exempt status of the so called “Christian institutions”

#5 Comment By Emil Bogdan On November 28, 2017 @ 6:54 pm

Being a Christian is great, you can do any vile thing and repent, voila, clean slate. If you’re not Christian, no matter what you do you’re damnable. But what’s the difference between a Christian like Roy Moore and a Christian like Doug Jones? Simple! I believe that one is “more real” than the other! Lol

#6 Comment By EarlyBird On November 28, 2017 @ 7:01 pm

Oh Pat, this shameful article just makes me sad for you. Seriously.

#7 Comment By Youknowho On November 28, 2017 @ 7:13 pm

@mrscracker.

As Romney pointed out, “innocent until proven guilty” is for the court of law, not for politics.

#8 Comment By EliteCommInc. On November 28, 2017 @ 7:19 pm

I am going to be relatively still on this matter. But what troubles me is that the entire time the gentleman in question has been in public service — as a judge no less —

where the lives of people are impacted to immediate effect, including the lives of women in cases in which gender and relational behavior I play

The gentleman has not had a single word boo . . . and now as potential senator — he is to be an anathema. If in fact the history matters, then one would be duly concerned that all was quiet on the eastern front until now — it appears opportunistic as opposed to righteous.

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“Instead they are concerned with punishing poor women for having sex whether they are married or not. Yes, unwanted pregnancy is punishment and cheap condoms have a 15% failure rate.”

Rich or poor, there’s no reason why any woman who doesn’t want a child should prevent conception. There are choices:

1. abstinence/celibacy
2. prevent conception

Before the country legalized the matter one of the deterrents to an unwanted child was the very real consequences.

Regardless who is elected to what —-

this country should not be endorsing, instructing, supporting or encouraging and participating in the murder of children in the womb.

#9 Comment By georgina davenport On November 28, 2017 @ 8:57 pm

“The lives of millions of unborn may be at stake.”

There lies the core of pro-lifer’s hypocrisy because it seems lives are precious only before they are born.

After lives are born, they become “people” who are fair game for corporations to exploit as workers and consumers, where the rights of corporations always take priority over theirs. The pro-lifers who are mostly Republicans always have policies on tax, education, economy, healthcare, environment, etc geared towards benefit of corporations/capital rather than people.

If ever anybody dare advocate for the “people” or their function as “labor”, one will be labeled derogatorily as “socialists”, which implies the “people” do not deserve higher pay or better working environment. Anything the “people” fight for is undeserved “redistribution” as if wealth can only be generated through capital investment and not labor.

Those who claim to be pro-life seem to want to take away anything that support life any chance they get.

If they are more consistent I would have more respect for their position.

#10 Comment By Ellimist000 On November 28, 2017 @ 9:12 pm

Moral relativism, but worse, STUPID moral relativism.

What on Earth makes you assume that Trump with get another judge before 2018? Are you even sure that Goresuch and another Trump nominee would end Roe and Ogberfell? Even if they did, the backlash could lead to laws being passed greater than the compromises made by the courts. And I might be wrong, but I’m not sure there is anything preventing a Democrat president and Senate from simply adding more judges except political norms, which republicans have broken, and that Democrats would have every reason to break if the GOP is seen as using the courts as a weapon against their people.

#11 Comment By KevinS On November 28, 2017 @ 9:19 pm

Is there anything Moore could be guilty of that would lead Pat to with hold his vote?

#12 Comment By Robert Bruce On November 28, 2017 @ 11:33 pm

Roe v Wade is a dead issue for the most part and a rather weak “carrot” for Christians anymore to vote GOP. I stated earlier that George W had all 3 branches of the federal government dominated by GOP/conservatives, but used the cop out of we need to change the culture first to deflect any calls to go after changing Roe v Wade. Only an idiot will still think the GOP is serious about overturning it after 37 years since the merging of the GOP and the Christian Right. W was right though, if Christians actually acted like real Christians, abortion wouldn’t have ever been legalized. Now with this Moore issue, they are coming off as two faced hypocrites. Another nail in the coffin for mainstream Christianity, which is a good thing. It isn’t real.

#13 Comment By scott burns On November 29, 2017 @ 1:56 am

Dee says:

November 28, 2017 at 5:22 pm

I just don’t get it, if you’re against abortion, do not have one..

Ezactly, if you are against abortion, just make sure your mother doesn’t inflict one on you. Simples.

#14 Comment By cka2nd On November 29, 2017 @ 2:12 am

If the last decade is any guide, there are more than enough GOP politicians who are ready and willing to make abortion illegal in their state if given the chance. Supporters of legal abortion, whoever you vote for – and I haven’t voted for a Republican or Democrat in over 30 years – should not stick their heads in the ground and pretend that Roe v. Wade is safe. If it is overturned, abortion will be made illegal in many states in the South and more than a few states in the West and, possibly, the Mid-West, depending on legislative gerrymandering and elections. As it is, there are a number of funds set up around the country dedicated to raising money for women to travel from states with severely limited access to abortion to states with greater access, and I believe that Kentucky is the first state to have zero abortion clinics. In other words, don’t expect the same legislators who have enacted hundreds of restrictions on abortion over the last 10 years to sit back and not take advantage of being granted the right to outlaw it again.

Besides abortion, Roy Moore also represents a vote for judicial nominees with a record of supporting “religious liberty” claims that would allow discrimination against other protected groups, as well as the standard Republican platform favoring Capital over Labor, big business over small, law enforcement over civilians and executive power over legislative and judicial, some of which tendencies are shared by their Democratic colleagues, to be sure. I imagine that he would also be a consistent warmonger as a senator and a supporter of gutting the social safety net. And if you think the Democrats will be united or tough enough to block many of Trump’s judicial nominees, well, dream on.

I can completely understand why militant opponents of abortion would vote for Roy Moore if they thought his vote could be the difference in getting a Supreme Court justice who would overturn Roe v. Wade and support “religious liberty.” To paraphrase Star Trek’s Mr. Spock, “The needs of the many must outweigh those of the few” and if you believe that abortion is murder or infanticide, and that millions of lives could be saved if it were again made illegal in many states, the moral calculus is pretty clear. If Roy Moore were an anti-imperialist socialist who would be a guaranteed filibuster against the myriad abuses of U.S. foreign policy, someone who made Dennis Kucinich look like John McCain, I’d be awfully tempted to vote for him myself.

#15 Comment By Steve Gibson On November 29, 2017 @ 4:57 am

These judicial posts are vacant in unprecedented numbers because Senators McConnell and Grassley obstructed nominations made by Obama. Supporting Moore in the Alabama special election is one more layer of “the end justifies the means”, but it is not the first.

#16 Comment By muad’dib On November 29, 2017 @ 7:34 am

Re: “Plus, in regard to all of the posts concerning Scandinavia, one word: demographics.”

No, the word is “socialism.” Low-cost, high-quality medical care for all, and a very strong social safety net.

Socialism, no can do…

It’s demographics in that Southern Whites would rather eat a s**t sandwich, than give a nickel to a negro.

#17 Comment By muad’dib On November 29, 2017 @ 7:41 am

Is there anything Moore could be guilty of that would lead Pat to with hold his vote?

Being a liberal and giving a damn about poor people…

#18 Comment By icarusr On November 29, 2017 @ 8:46 am

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All you need to know about God and His purpose in American Politics.

#19 Comment By mrscracker On November 29, 2017 @ 9:54 am

KevinS says:

“Is there anything Moore could be guilty of that would lead Pat to with hold his vote?”
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I’d personally vote for Mr. Moore if there was no better conservative candidate available.
“Could be guilty of” covers a lot of ground & speculation. The man’s been a judge for some time & you’d imagine anything criminal might have surfaced before now.
In any case, it’s more about the good-(or bad depending on your point of view)-that he can do in the Senate than what he may have done or not done in the past. That’s what all this really boils down to & why so much energy -& I expect large sums of money- have been spent on it. If he was running for the AL state senate I doubt we’d have heard much, but a US Senate seat’s more critical.
If he admits to anything criminal or felony charges are brought against him, that’s something else.

#20 Comment By Alex (the one that likes Ike) On November 29, 2017 @ 10:02 am

Lenny,

Enjoy when you’ll be forced to trade your precious gay marriages and a hell lot of other issues to keep Roe v. Wade. This is what is going to happen in the real world, not in that dreamworld of pink unicorns where your “super liberal majority” is “forming”.

Just in case Your Comical Smugness didn’t know, Machiavelli largely based his Prince on Cesare Borgia. That alone makes everything you wrote in regards to this work risible to a surreal extent. You should really study subjects better (or, at least, simply study) before trying to use them for plemical purposes. Oherwise you’ll keep on making a laughing stock of yourself, just like you did with this and your “super liberal majority” pink unicorn riding dragoons.

#21 Comment By collin On November 29, 2017 @ 10:07 am

C’mon an inanimate carbon rod that is a religious conservative, hates liberals & gay people and has anti-African-American memes on their Facebook would win Alabama Senate seat.

Don’t you say the same thing about an inanimate carbon Democrat rod that loves multiculturalism in California?

#22 Comment By bkh On November 29, 2017 @ 10:31 am

Another load of comments that show the brokenness and divide in what is left of our 50-state litter born of old English tyranny. The Moores, Trumps, Clintons, Sanders, WaPo, etc, are the running nose of this sad nation’s sickness. This nation deserves to be laughed at for squandering its birthright. In our endless pursuit of freedom we have become slaves to far worse task masters than anything seen in its history. We should all continue to thank our wonderful Vets throughout America’s history for fighting for our right to destroy ourselves in our pursuit of vices that may be our right, but have destroyed our sense of integrity and morality in the name of “rights”. A reprobate mind is a dangerous and unchangeable thing.

#23 Comment By GregR On November 29, 2017 @ 12:25 pm

Collin,

A carbon rod would be black, so no it would never get elected in Alabama. Now if you painted it….

#24 Comment By lenny On November 29, 2017 @ 3:25 pm

Alex (the one that likes Ike)

I am glad that you know how to use Google but , may be you should try to read the actual book

As I said, enjoy while it lasts, it will not for long.
Just remember: you deserve what’s coming to you.

#25 Comment By mrscracker On November 29, 2017 @ 4:28 pm

georgina davenport,
There’s a wide variety of views regarding our rights/benefits & what part govt. should play in education, social welfare programs, childcare, etc. & which are better delegated to the family, church, & community. But not a single one of those can be enjoyed without first being born. Without the right to a safe delivery, all other rights are non-applicable.

#26 Comment By Alex (the one that likes Ike) On November 29, 2017 @ 9:00 pm

lenny,

I am glad that you know how to use Google but , may be you should try to read the actual book

I am glad to know that your last resort in polemics is making Freudian projections of your own ways of aquiring information, but maybe you should try to figure out that other people may not just actually have read the book you pretend to have read (while directly showing that you didn’t by being blatantly ignorant as to its content), but have read it in its original language, as I did with Il Principe and the language of my Italian ancestors.

As I said, enjoy while it lasts, it will not for long.
Just remember: you deserve what’s coming to you.

As I said, dream on. Just remember: Obergefell and late month abortions are unlikely to be the only things you’ll have to trade for keeping Roe v. Wade.

As the Man says himself, love.

#27 Comment By Hector_St_Clare On November 30, 2017 @ 1:28 pm

Pat, you have no daughters to protect, so you should take yourself out of this conversation. You have no moral authority here.

I oppose the Republican Party, but this line of argument is just specious. Having “skin in the game” doesn’t make you more objective as a judge of social issues, it makes you less objective.

#28 Comment By DGJ On December 3, 2017 @ 11:13 am

If Roe v. Wade gets overturned, Democrats will try to pack the Supreme Court, or abolish it. Hopefully, Chief Justice Roberts will be able to block such nonsense before it destroys the constitution. Expect a constitutional amendment to guarantee a woman’s right to choose or worse a second constitutional convention if this nonsense happens.

#29 Comment By EliteCommInc. On December 9, 2017 @ 6:18 pm

“After lives are born, they become “people” who are fair game for corporations to exploit as workers and consumers, where the rights of corporations always take priority over theirs. The pro-lifers who are mostly Republicans always have policies on tax, education, economy, healthcare, environment, etc geared towards benefit of corporations/capital rather than people.”

I don’t know any conservatives who think like the above comment suggests. I don’t know nor have I met anyone who advances a life position for children in the womb — and believes the above.