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The Immigrants Challenging Europe’s Code of Silence on Islam

Over the holidays, two developments in Europe’s immigration and multiculturalism battle stood out particularly.

First to France, where there occurred what might be dubbed the Zineb El Rhazoui affair. El Rhazoui, 36, is a French-Moroccan journalist and a former reporter for Charlie Hebdo. Born in Casablanca, she came to Paris for college. She’s engaged in both France and Morocco in various forms of culturally left and secularist activism against the harassment of women in the street and the power of the patriarchy. Ni Putes ni Soumises and Mouvement alternative pour les libertés individuelles (which organized a public picnic during Ramadan) are part of her biography. In the wake of the Charlie Hebdo attack four years ago, she gained attention as a critic of Islamofascism and the larger part of the French elite that she called its collaborators.

The affair erupted after she was a guest on the well-established internet TV station CNews. She appeared there in the aftermath of the attack on the Christmas market in Strasbourg, where five people were killed by a “lone wolf” Islamic militant. Islam, she exclaimed, must subject itself to criticism. Islam must subject itself to humor. Islam must subject itself to the rights of the Republic and to French law. She added that no one would ever get to the bottom of the ideology that drives terrorism by telling people that Islam is a religion of peace and love.

Within hours, El Rhazoui was subjected to a barrage of rape and death threats on French social media. Undeterred, a few days later, she unapologetically reaffirmed her views. Several commentators took note of an absolute silence from the establishment Left, supposedly committed to freedom of expression, who would never hesitate to defend a critic of Christian fundamentalism. Her words [1], direct, to the point, coming from a French-Moroccan woman in a bright pink dress, struck a certain nerve in France where there is a center-left establishment consensus that terrorism has nothing to do with Islam. As the new year arrived, she was under police protection, while her lawyer was seeking to bring charges against some of those who threatened her.

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Across the channel in Great Britain, another personality of non-European ethnic origin was in the headlines. This was Sajid Javid, the 49-year-old rising star in Britain’s Conservative Party, currently home secretary in Theresa May’s government. Javid, one of five children of a Pakistani immigrant bus driver, won a seat in Parliament in 2010. He combines extreme intelligence with a drive that would be exceptional anywhere—the youngest ever vice president of Chase Manhattan at the age of 24, a managing director at Deutsche Bank, and head of their emerging markets desk 10 years after that. A politically active young Thatcherite (and a volunteer in Rudy Giuliani’s highly contentious and nationally important 1993 mayoral campaign), Javid was selected to be culture minister several years after his election to Parliament. Long before last month, he had achieved semi-legendary status in Tory circles.

Then reports that dozens of migrants were setting off in small boats from the coast of France to reach Britain and claim asylum brought him back early from his Christmas vacation (a safari in South Africa). He was soon photographed aboard one the coast guard cutters he had summoned for migrant monitoring duty.

Perhaps more important than anything the home secretary does or doesn’t do about migrant channel crossings is what he says. And Javid asked simply, “If you are a genuine asylum seeker, why have you not sought asylum in the first country you arrived in? Because France is not a country where anyone would argue it is not safe in any way whatsoever.” This straightforward and indisputable statement earned Javid harsh criticism from Labour’s shadow home secretary, who called it “a disgrace.”

Javid has a history of remarks that trigger the multicultural left. After the Charlie Hebdo attacks in Paris in 2015, he observed:

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There is no getting away from the fact that the people carrying out these acts call themselves Muslims. The lazy answer would be to say that this has got nothing whatsoever to do with Islam and Muslims and that should be the end of that. That would be lazy and wrong. You can’t get away from the fact that these people are using Islam, taking a peaceful religion and using it as a tool to carry out their activities.

In its full context, the statement is obviously not “Islamaphobic” and conforms to standard establishment multicultural discourse. But for a senior European politician from a mainstream party, it passes very close to actual truth telling. Earlier this summer, Javid ordered research into the ethnic origins of the child rape gangs uncovered in Rotherham and other British cities—gangs that are disproportionately of Pakistani origin—a fact that was shrouded by the British press, which invariably refers to them as “Asian.”

Javid wrote that understanding their particular characteristics was essential to understanding the problem. Again, the actual statement was fairly banal—who could object to research?—except that in multicultural Britain there is more or less a taboo against probing too deeply into why Pakistani men form gangs to rape white British girls. And now a high-ranking Tory, not coincidentally of Pakistani origin, was asking precisely that.

There is much from a quick perusal of Javid’s career that gives one a good deal of pause. He is exceedingly, and probably excessively, pro-Israel, and seems to reflexively take neoconservative positions on foreign intervention. But that is not the issue here. What does matter is that his Muslim immigrant background seems to have inoculated him from fear of transgressing the boundaries of multicultural political correctness, and allowed him to raise questions—about asylum seekers, Islam, Pakistani grooming gangs—that conservatives and all responsible politicians ought to be raising. Yet outside the “populist” Right, few have raised them.

In this sense, Sajid Javid and Zineb El Rhazoui, though of different political statures, have a good deal in common. Both are figures who have been somewhat liberated by their ethnic backgrounds to speak more candidly than the vast majority of their countrymen.

An important new book is coming out, Whiteshift [2] by Canadian-British scholar Eric Kaufmann, that analyzes the politics of white demographic decline in the Western countries. Kauffman is somewhat more optimistic than I am that things will work out. But one of his major points is that a considerable portion of the new immigrant population identifies with the history, institutions, and values (which are, of course, white dominated) of their new countries. The roughly 30 percent of Asian Americans and Latinos who voted for Donald Trump presumably fall into that category, but the percentage is probably a good deal higher than that.

Kaufmann is not claiming that these folks admire some anodyne civic nationalist version of Western pluralism, but that they at least to some extent identify with and embrace as their own the larger achievements of Western history, the good with the bad. They came to the West not in spite of our history, but to some degree because of it. Part of this immigrant cohort have intermarried with whites, or have children who will. Kauffman’s argument is that they comprise part of a sort of “whitish” dominant majority culture that will successively see the Western countries through a difficult transition. It’s obviously a far more appealing scenario than the one favored by white multiculturalists, whom Kaufmann calls left modernists, in which people of color, in alliance with progressive whites, demographically overwhelm the racist, colonialist, old world, rooting out and destroying the evil uniquely associated with it.

I’ve certainly oversimplified a more complicated argument, but I think Kaufmann is largely correct about this. From my perspective, in different ways, El Rhazoui and Javid are playing a critical part in the defense and rejuvenation of the West. Their ethnicity gives them more license to speak freely than is permitted a typical beneficiary of “white privilege”—and perhaps, in subtle ways, more motivation. As such they are more than valuable; they are necessary. And we can hope that they and others like them play a big part in the battles ahead.

Scott McConnell is a founding editor of The American Conservative and the author of Ex-Neocon: Dispatches From the Post-9/11 Ideological Wars.

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42 Comments To "The Immigrants Challenging Europe’s Code of Silence on Islam"

#1 Comment By Fayez Abedaziz On January 11, 2019 @ 12:38 am

Here we go again:
the writer here cites a person or two, who obviously have personal,mental ‘hangups,’ as we began to say more and more in the 60’s and he brands almost 2 billion people of the world as being oh so different from the peaceful, moral so-called western…you know judeo-christian people blah blah.
Do you believe in god mr. writer? Look around you in the increasingly corrupt, degenerate death cult that is British and American foreign policy.
And at the huge number of rapes, murders, child abuse and on and on, you hypocrites!
Why don’t you ‘civilized’ whatever, cite persons religion or nationality when they are arrested for horrible crimes? You know or should damn well know that a believer in Islam, or Judaism, or Christianity would not so-called ‘groom’ girls for sex. It is a great sin.
This is simply to defame Moslems in way we keep reading about. Then you’re fine so-called enlightened Christian/Western nations bomb thousands of children in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and more nations. And we saw the hundreds of photos of ‘fine’ American,British and Australians troops committing torture and perverted acts on people in Iraq such as at the Abu Ghraib prison.
You and others have the nerve to write this nonsense about Islam? You and You’re wonderful society with 100’s of thousands of rapists, including child abuse, rape and murder and on and on.
Almost 100% of Moslems in Europe and America are good, never commit crime people. That’s a fact. Find something else to rave about and clean your so-called culture.Statistics says it all.

#2 Comment By Mark VA On January 11, 2019 @ 6:17 am

To be precise, these people are challenging Western Europe’s code of silence on Islam;

Central Europe, Eastern Europe, Mediterranean Europe, and even Scandinavian Europe, either have no restrictions on free speech about Islam, or are effectively challenging such restrictions themselves;

Point being: Western Europe (France and Britain) and Europe and not synonyms, not by a long shot.

#3 Comment By Michael Kenny On January 11, 2019 @ 7:51 am

What the author is saying is that European culture is successfully absorbing the new arrivals, as it has done for centuries. That might surprise Americans but it won’t surprise anybody in Europe.

#4 Comment By Enough of this On January 11, 2019 @ 7:57 am

@Fayez

We could write volumes about the cruelties of Muslims in war, many of which match or exceed those of the west. Your invocation of the “no true Scotsman” fallacy does not change the fact that many horrific acts have occurred, are occurring, and will occur in the name Islam.

Others, like the grooming, are being done by Muslims who regard non-Muslims (much as you seem to) as subhuman.

I’ve been around Muslims my whole life, this is experience talking, not the lack thereof.

We’ve been bullied enough by Muslims. You all need to grow up and learn to behave better.

#5 Comment By Hector_St_Clare On January 11, 2019 @ 9:26 am

Almost 100% of Moslems in Europe and America are good, never commit crime people. That’s a fact. Find something else to rave about and clean your so-called culture.Statistics says it all.

DO you have the slightest bit of evidence for this interesting claim?

South Asians in Britain have a statutory rape rate *eleven to twelve times* the rate for ethnic English people. Look up the British government numbers, as you say, “statistics say it all”. Also look up the rate of cousin marriage among British South Asians, while you’re at it.

I realize you don’t like these uncomfortable truths, but truths they are just the same.

Mark VA, quite correct. Europe isn’t the same thing as France and England.

#6 Comment By George Crosley On January 11, 2019 @ 9:36 am

Fayez Abedaziz, you score a point when you note that Western behavior in the Middle Eastern wars has been immoral and shameful.

Aside from that, please cite your statistics.

You are dishonest (a great sin, as you say) when you deny that there are Muslim sex-grooming gangs in Britain that target native British girls. The feral young men who form these gangs have not been reined-in by their devout elders, and this lack of discipline suggests silent approval of their crimes by those in authority.

Middle-Easterners are swarming into the European Continent not as humble, grateful immigrants but as swaggering conquerors. They demand (and get) free stuff: housing, food, schooling, freedom from obeying the laws of the land, and unemployment payments that can last a lifetime.

Many make no effort whatsoever to learn the language of their new home or assimilate to the better aspects of its culture. It’s just take, take, take–and demand, demand, demand.

And the authorities cringe and crawl and apologize and give the newcomers what they want, making sure to stay away from the crime-ridden no-go zones that are the ethnic enclaves in which the migrants have settled.

Is anything I have stated above false? Truth is far more important than your hurt feelings.

No wonder Europe’s new Muslim immigrants are so contemptuous of their new home. Nobody respects a sucker.

#7 Comment By Joe the Plumber On January 11, 2019 @ 10:47 am

Which code of silence? All I can see is rather an confused blurt about Islam as a doctrine and its relationship with culture and civilization, and it seems there is no-one to check all these over-simplifying fallacies (including this article). You do not use names with their proper meanings, and for this reason your minds are completely jumbled.

BTW, something like what happened in USA might also take place there. After the “Islam” scarecrow is used to gain political power, maybe a wall will be raised in France to stop all those rapist criminal Catholic polish plumbers to enter the country, since this is not about
‘my culture’, but more about ‘my wallet’. Like what is happening here to the South American Catholics they’re a bunch of rapist criminals too and bound to world domination by the leadership of the Pope.

#8 Comment By Lenny On January 11, 2019 @ 11:21 am

WOW

Seriously dude, the entire nation of Israel was formed because the civilized west did not accept and still appear to have problems accepting Jews that have lived there for hundreds of years. It must have been the Jews’ fault

#9 Comment By Kent P On January 11, 2019 @ 12:29 pm

We had the privilege of hosting two Pastors at our small Baptist church on different Sundays. One was from India the other from Iran. The sermons they preached on the oppression they and their flock experienced was eye opening. Christians have their own historical atrocities to carry, however anything man is involved in will fall short. It is up to each individual that has been saved by the Blood of Christ to live the life that our Savior demanded. We will all fall short, but we must ask for forgiveness each time we do.

#10 Comment By sk On January 11, 2019 @ 12:38 pm

@fayed Abedaziz

First,it isn’t a sin in Islam. Your prophet did it to his young ‘wife’ Aisha.And his example is to be replicated by Muslims and it is.

Second, the rise in rape/harassment cases in Europe can be directly linked to the growth in Muslim migrants. Your statistic of almost a 100% Muslims being good is disproven by their over-representation in prisons in France and Britain.

Third, over the past decade and before, it has largely been Muslims killing other Muslims (often by labelling them as Non- muslims) including in places like Iraq where it was Shia and Sunni militias taking turns to massacre each other.

Also, the definition of rape and child abuse in the west is much wider than in muslim countries. Much of the behaviour you consider normal including marriage of
young girls to old men just because they’ve attained puberty or the atrocious treatment of migrant workers in the gulf would be considered abusive and punishable by law in the west. You live in a society filled with rape and child abuse as well -just the consequences of reporting it namely punishment for pre marital/extra marital sex leading to honour killings prevents you from knowing about it.

#11 Comment By Fayez Abedaziz On January 11, 2019 @ 1:19 pm

1-Enjoy the FBI statistics in the USA. They are for every county in the nation.
2- Palestine, Lebanon, Jordan, as examples, where I neither saw nor heard of any of the totally false assertions here about underage girls being married. That is also where people do not attack anyones religion, that’s a fact.
That is also true for Israel where people get along, though politics and land are the debating issues.
I guess those that are not happy with what I said…ah…did you read what I said?
A believer (that heartfully believes) in Judaism, Christianity and Islam knows it’s a sin to steal, kill or attempt sex by force.
3- saying negative, folk tale things about a prophet, whether the Jewish, Moslem or Christian ones is bull and you know it.
What, you were there when Moses, Jesus and Mohammed was talking and you can quote them?
Also, all you ‘scholars’ on culture and religious history, well, Islam reveres Jesus, Moses, Abraham and more. What happened in Europe between 1914 and 1945-from the atrocities by the nations there? From chemical warfare to mass murders of people like the Jews, cities of civilians being fire-bombed? Who did that? Also, Some comments here are so untrue, such as there being no open talk of Islam in Europe.
Are you kidding me? From the print to the TV to the internet to talk shows in Europe to here in the US it has been open season defaming and lying about Moslems.
Dig what I’m saying and have a good day. Peace and Shalom

#12 Comment By Good Reason On January 11, 2019 @ 1:44 pm

“El Rhazoui and Javid are playing a critical part in the defense and rejuvenation of the West.” I completely agree. It’s not a question of where you come from or what your religion is–it’s a question of what you hold to be right and wrong, legal and illegal. That is why Australian now has an “Australian values” test if you want to apply for citizenship. They ask you how you feel about forced marriage, child marriage, female genital cutting, beating your wife, etc. If you cannot say you renounce those things, you cannot become an Australian. There’s a great wisdom in that.

#13 Comment By German_reader On January 11, 2019 @ 1:48 pm

“as a critic of Islamofascism”

“Islamofascism” is an idiotic term which explains nothing.
And once again, it’s hard not to get the impression that for McConnell “Europe” is limited to Britain and France.
Also hard not to get the impression that his “solution” is merely the traditional American melting pot ideology, and that in the end he’ll regard genuine European nationalists (who are not merely concerned about Islam, because “Muslims oppress women and hate gays” or whatever, but are, to some extent at least, inevitably “racist” and ethnocentric) as illegitimate and something to be crushed…which is no different from the standard post-national establishment view.
If McConnell is unwilling or unable to extend his view beyond Britain and France and to engage intellectually with genuinely nationalist critics of the present system, he should just stop his series of articles about “Europe”, because they’re totally pointless.

#14 Comment By Jim On January 11, 2019 @ 3:13 pm

Muslims bad, Christians and Jews awesome.

Yawn

#15 Comment By Joe the Plumber On January 11, 2019 @ 3:26 pm

@sk and some others

1. A statistics fallacy:

Immigrants commit 10 times more crimes than the natives. hence all the immigrants are criminals.

Say, if from every 10,000 immigrants, and from every 100,000 natives, one commit a specific crime, you all, with jumbled minds, deduce that the immigrants are all criminals and certainly there is a problem with their “religion’ (to which the criminals do not adhere).

2. See here. Based on your reasoning the USA is a pedophile country, or Christianity approves of pedophilia. (Well, we know all about the Catholic Church and also the incidents in American Football and gymnastics, no?)

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All in all, first go an learn the a-b-a-b of logic before making these ridiculous claims. Of course if I should sit down here and point out every bit of nonsense you are writing I will ran of time to make anything positive in life.

#16 Comment By Bill D. On January 11, 2019 @ 3:52 pm

The background of the Muslim immigration issue is discussed in some detail in part 4 of this new documentary, “What a Billion Muslims Believe.” [4]

#17 Comment By phree On January 11, 2019 @ 4:58 pm

The headline is not supported by the article. These writers do not attack a “silence on Islam” they criticize the claim that one cannot talk about Islam when talking about Islamic terrorists. I agree wholeheartedly with their comments.

I disagree with the characterization of those comments in the headline.

Please don’t become just another Islam bashing conservative website. We have plenty of those. We need conservatives who standup for common sense, not trigger clicks from Islamaphobes.

#18 Comment By Rossbach On January 11, 2019 @ 4:59 pm

“Their ethnicity gives them more license to speak freely than is permitted a typical beneficiary of “white privilege”—and perhaps, in subtle ways, more motivation.”

If true, this is not a solution for the West; it is the symptom of a deeper problem.

#19 Comment By John Scott On January 11, 2019 @ 6:43 pm

As statistics for grooming offences show far fewer Muslims of Bangladeshi, Maghreb etc origins involved, it might be more appropriate to consider these wretched criminals as Pakistani rather than as Muslim; as for people being afraid to speak out, Europe is awash with I would say millions of anti-Islam bigots who far from keeping silence won’t talk about anything else, and await only the rise of another Hitler-type leader before embarking on “resettlement”.Islam as currently practiced is about as backward as was medieval Christianity, and as with Christianity will in time be eroded by urbanisation and the rise of the scientific method. The UK is full of young Muslims who have successfully adapted to Western culture and their numbers can only grow.You are putting arguments into the mouths of would-be exterminationists; shame on you.

#20 Comment By Gil Gamache On January 11, 2019 @ 7:38 pm

Look at the votes cast by expatriate Turks living in Europe. In contrast to Turkish immigrants living in the U.S., they vote for Erdogan by a very large margin. If anything, recent Arab, Pakistani, sub-Saharan Muslim arrivals are even more hidebound and incompatible with liberal democracy.

Sorry, Mr. McConnell, but it’s over. Mr. Abedazi and his suicidalist Western enablers have won.

#21 Comment By Tom Billesley On January 12, 2019 @ 5:55 am

Truth is the new hate.

#22 Comment By Connecticut Farmer On January 12, 2019 @ 9:51 am

“Almost 100% of Moslems in Europe and America are good, never commit crime people.

Fayez, what do you mean by “almost” 100%. During regular season in 2018 the Red Sox won “almost” 100% of their game—well, ok, that is if 67% counts as “almost.”

And show us the “statistics” to which you refer.

#23 Comment By Hector_St_Clare On January 12, 2019 @ 10:07 am

Also hard not to get the impression that his “solution” is merely the traditional American melting pot ideology, and that in the end he’ll regard genuine European nationalists (who are not merely concerned about Islam, because “Muslims oppress women and hate gays” or whatever, but are, to some extent at least, inevitably “racist” and ethnocentric) as illegitimate and something to be crushed…which is no different from the standard post-national establishment view.

German Reader,

I share a lot of your concerns, and think the American melting pot ideology is pretty silly and in any case totally inappropriate for most of Europe. I think we’ve had these discussions in the past and I tried to make the point here that the problem isn’t Islam, per se, it’s mass migration period: any mass migration of a large, ethnically different population is going to pose a threat to the integrity of the ethnic majority population, whether the migrants are Pakistani Muslims, Norwegian Christians, Nigerians or Japanese. And yes, I’m aware that that claim is going to seem “racist” and “ethnocentric” to liberals. I don’t care, since I’m not a liberal.

I think you’re unfair to Scott McConnell though. It’s true that he focuses more on France and Britain than he perhaps should (understandably so since those are two of the countries with the largest immigrant populations, and where ethnic diversification is happening fastest, particularly in Britain). That said, I don’t think he endorses mass migration or the melting pot model, or the erosion of traditional boundaries between peoples or ethnic groups. Certainly not as far as Europe goes. He was in the tank for Le Pen, after all.

Joe the Plumber,

Do you understand statistics? No one is saying that all immigrants are rapists, we’re saying that (for example) South Asians in the UK have an 11-12 fold higher statutory rape rate than native English. Which means that, yes, that ethnicity really does have a sex crime problem that needs to be dealt with.

#24 Comment By German_reader On January 12, 2019 @ 12:27 pm

“It’s true that he focuses more on France and Britain than he perhaps should (understandably so since those are two of the countries with the largest immigrant populations”

That may be part of the reason, but with all respect to Scott McConnell, I do get the impression that he focuses on Britain and France not least, because he knows those countries, can read their languages and thinks he “gets” them (because of the superficial similarities to the US), and isn’t really interested in learning much about the rest of Europe.
Germany (which right now is the centre of the immigration problem in Europe) seems to be a black hole for him, I’ve never seen anything more substantial than “Germany is ruining Europe again” from him.
Italy (also a crucially important country) and the Visegrad states don’t seem to matter much either in his view.
He misses a ton of the debate in Europe on issues like the UN global compact for migration. What’s the point of such a series about “Europe”, if it ends up merely regurgitating the talking points of liberals engaged in damage control like Kaufmann (whose writings any American with internet access could just read for himself anyway)?
I have to admit, I’m really disappointed so far, I hope McConnell will at least try to broaden his horizon. If he wants to learn more about Germany, maybe he could ask Paul Gottfried (who has written both for American conservative and for German right-wing weekly Junge Freiheit) for help in acquiring contacts.

#25 Comment By Joe the Plumber On January 12, 2019 @ 1:30 pm

@Hector_St_Clare

Maybe not you, but a whole bunch of people here are exactly using the following reasoning explicitly or implicitly:

1. South Asians in the UK have an 11-12 fold higher statutory rape rate than native English.

2. South Asians are Muslims.

3. Abracadabra! Hence Islam supports raping.

4. Hence all Muslims are rapists and they will cause problem
if they are not sent out of Europe.

As John Scott mentioned, one could first note that this could be a Pakistani culture problem rather than a Muslim problem.
Nevertheless, nobody said the problem need not be dealt with or be swept under the carpet because of the ethnicity of those criminals. Those corners of the world have their own problems specific to their culture (and now imported to UK), as this corner of the world has its proper problems too.And by all means, let us discuss the roots of this malaise and try to see how to cure it, o at least control it.

My point is the absurd uneducated generalizations which are mostly made to muddy the waters; the best case scenario being that those who make them are just naive pawns in the hands of some power hungry circles. See what happened in USA: 10 years of fear mongering about Muslim Brotherhood lead to Trump who cut down the taxes for the richest and now everybody has forgotten about that “threat” since a more fertile ground (South American Immigration “national ٰemergency”) has been found.

#26 Comment By Tom Cullem On January 12, 2019 @ 5:08 pm

@Fayez – The point isn’t that Muslims are really not civilised enough to live in Europe with Europeans nor have the authors suggested that. The point being made is that whilst white nationalism is fair game for critcisim, and Christian fundamentalism likewise, politicians are afraid to criticise Islam when it, like other belief systems, goes off the rails.

There are problems with Muslim integration in varied parts of Britain, and it has brought with it problems like FGM, parallel justice systems that are unfair to women by western standards, and created large swaths of the population cut off from its mainstream culture and who do not speak English.

Yes, grooming girls for sexual exploitation is a sin. The entire Muslim community in Rotherham knew this gang was operating, but didn’t report it to the authorities, and the authorities, almost all of them Labour (i.e, “progressive left”), refused to look into the shadowy reports trickling in because the perps were alleged to be Muslims.

One of the social workers who went to the Labour Council to report what she’d been hearing was sent off for two days of “diversity training”. And thus the girls were thrown to the wolves.

That’s the point being made: not that Muslims are all sexual predators, but that the suffocating blanket of political correctness, which you are clearly colluding in with your post, made it impossible to challenge a cultural problem when it arose.

#27 Comment By Janwaar Bibi On January 12, 2019 @ 8:03 pm

South Asians in Britain have a statutory rape rate *eleven to twelve times* the rate for ethnic English people.

Can you provide evidence for this claim? As far as I know, the UK government publishes statistics only for “Asians” and not “South Asians”, but perhaps you can show me I am wrong.

#28 Comment By pensword On January 12, 2019 @ 8:43 pm

An alternative approach to clash-of-civilizations fatalism is long overdue, though not exactly as Kaufmann envisions it.

The differences between El Rhazhoui and Javid cannot be so casually dismissed. El Rhazhoui wasn’t merely “a reporter for Charlie Hebdo“, she [5] for the very same edition of the magazine that incited the infamous attack against it. She’s a staunch secularist and flagrant instigator who has placed herself in a camp of anti-Islam zealots, damn the consequences. Javid, however, does not disavow his religion; rather, he acknowledges a malady affecting his community in an attempt to eradicate it.

In America, El Rhazhoui would fit the mold of an anti-religion leftist who would labor to neutralize the influence of Christian social conservativism upon our society and political life. Javid, in defense of the republicanism and religious liberty [6], would never share the same disposition.

It appears that more socially conservative Americans are beginning to realize that muslims are their natural ally in the effort to restore to the public square a milieu defined by common-sense morality and ethical conduct. When a coterie of bigots attempted to remove Dr. Shahid Shafi from his seat as vice-chairman of the Tarrant County Republican Party (in Texas), the vast majority of his fellow party members [7], dealing a resounding blow to the incessant propaganda of the anti-Islam brigades. In all likelihood, they know Dr. Shafi as a decent man. His association with them will likely increase their acquaintance with the principles that guide his administration of affairs, principles which some may find surprisingly similar to those of the only one who walked this earth free of sin.

Though Kaufmann understandably posits the contemporary occidental ethos as superior to that of the millenial muslim world, he would do well to further educate himself about the pluralism and tolerance that was, by and large, [8] well before Europe caught up to the idea. (See also “ [9]“.) Likewise, Mr. McConnell would spend his time more wisely using this history as a means by which to remind muslims of the greatness they’re capable of attaining once again, rather than attempting to shame them collectively for the sins of the extremists among them ~ a method that seldom resonates with congregation of people, let alone muslims.

#29 Comment By pensword On January 12, 2019 @ 8:45 pm

sk wrote:

First,it isn’t a sin in Islam. Your prophet did it to his young ‘wife’ Aisha.

According to the earliest biographical sources, ‘Aisha was about 16 when betrothed and 19 when the marriage was consummated. You can find the information readily available [10] and [11]. In short, she was older than Mary was when Mary was betrothed to Joseph.

Please spare us this wearisome anti-Islam claptrap. Conservatives are floundering right now and further divisiveness along religious lines is utterly anathema to strengthening our base. The muslim population is surging in America and you can either appeal to them as potential allies or try to stop the flood with your two hands.

Sink or swim, it’s up to you.

#30 Comment By Mark B. On January 12, 2019 @ 10:00 pm

Well, that is great news, mr. McConnell. Exactly what we need.

#31 Comment By traeh On January 13, 2019 @ 5:13 pm

John Scott,

You are mistaken about the trajectories of Islam and Christianity. You say Islam will liberalize with urbanization. You write as if the two religions have the very same social outcomes. But even if, for sake of discussion, it is assumed that both religions are tissues of pure fantasy, they are very different paradigms and have very different social outcomes.

The Bible depicts its central figure as having said to “Give to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, to God the things that are God’s” and also, “My kingdom is not of this world.” Because of those statements and others, Christians from the very beginning sought to distinguish, however confusedly, two realms, that of the state and that of religion. During the course of Christian history kings would try to dominate popes, and popes to dominate kings, and at different times one or the other side would more or less succeed, but even then there was always at least a latent recognition that there needed to be two distinct realms, though people were unclear about where the line should be drawn. But the recognition, however foggy, of two realms, permitted European society to be somewhat open and evolving, and led eventually to the Enlightenment and then to the US Constitution’s First Amendment, which formalized the existence of two realms.

Contrast that with Islam, whose prime exemplar, Muhammad, became Caesar, or at any rate the ruler of an expansionist theocratic state that permitted neither freedom of speech nor freedom of religion. In Sahih Bukhari, the most canonical hadith collection, Muhammad says, “If someone changes his Islamic religion, then kill him.” There are many other totalitarian statements and actions presented in the core Islamic texts (Qur’an, Hadith, Sira). That beginning leads to what we see in most of the Islamic world today, where the core Islamic region of North Africa and the Middle East has the worst human rights record of any major region in the world. On top of that, Pew polling shows that large percentages of Muslims around the globe believe in totalitarian aspects of Islamic law.

So there is every reason for non-Muslim Europeans to be concerned about the influx of Muslims into Europe, even though some Muslims assimilate brilliantly. Many others create a climate of fear and intimidation and self-censorship, so that every religion can be criticized in public except Islam.

Europeans should develop a new policy, namely a moratorium on immigration from any nation, whether Islamic or not, that does not protect freedom of religion or freedom of speech. Europe should cut its restrictions on freedom of speech to an absolute minimum and develop a law like the First Amendment of the US Constitution. The immigration policy mentioned could of course make exceptions for individuals who are seriously oppressed minorities and who support basic freedoms, as well as for individuals with Ph.Ds needed for industry or the military.

#32 Comment By Hector_St_Clare On January 14, 2019 @ 11:45 am

Can you provide evidence for this claim? As far as I know, the UK government publishes statistics only for “Asians” and not “South Asians”, but perhaps you can show me I am wrong.

Asian in British parlance means South Asian- other Asians are referred to as East Asians. Anyway, the British government statistics (quoted by a Pakistani liberal newspaper) are here:

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As John Scott mentioned, one could first note that this could be a Pakistani culture problem rather than a Muslim problem.

I don’t think it’s a Muslim problem per se (and it’s even more narrowly focused than “Pakistani”: most Pakistanis in the UK come from one small ethnic group).

That being said, the conclusion in my book is still the same, that Britain’s experiment with mass migration has failed and more generally that this kind of thing illustrates the weaknesses of diverse, multicultural societies. Whether or not the high sex crime rate among the denizens of Rotherham and Rochdale is more closely tied to ethnicity or religion (probably ethnicity), it still remains the case that that community has a problem.

#33 Comment By Hector_St_Clare On January 14, 2019 @ 11:56 am

She’s a staunch secularist and flagrant instigator who has placed herself in a camp of anti-Islam zealots, damn the consequences. Javid, however, does not disavow his religion; rather, he acknowledges a malady affecting his community in an attempt to eradicate it.

I’m pretty sure Javid is a secular, nonpracticing Muslim. In any case, what’s wrong with being a “staunch secularist”? I don’t want conservative Christian sexual ethics running society any more than I want conservative Islamic ones.

Islam as currently practiced is about as backward as was medieval Christianity, and as with Christianity will in time be eroded by urbanisation and the rise of the scientific method

In reality of course, your fever-dreams aside, Pakistanis in the UK are becoming more socially conservative and traditionalist with time, not less. Practices like cousin marriage have gone from 36% of the Pakistani community in the 1960s (I’m going by memory here) to 57% today, and women’s participation in the workplace is also going down. There’s no evidence that these folks want to assimilate.

Europe is awash with I would say millions of anti-Islam bigots who far from keeping silence won’t talk about anything else, and await only the rise of another Hitler-type leader before embarking on “resettlement”.

I think that down the road Europe is going to experience some kind of population exchanges i.e. what you call “resettlement”, yes. Hopefully voluntary / encouraged with financial incentives. It’s pretty telling though, and illuminating of your apparent historical illiteracy, that you associate this kind of thing with “Hitler figures”. On the contrary, population transfers have a long history prior to WWII (Greco-Turkish population exchange in the 1920s, etc.) and were actually part of the clean up for World War II as well (i.e. Eastern Europe forced their entire German population to leave). As Kevin Drum notes, Europe is much better off today for having resettled the Germans in Germany.

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#34 Comment By Kurt Gayle On January 14, 2019 @ 2:15 pm

Paul Brian just posted at TAC a first-hand report on last Saturday’s Yellow Vest march in Rouen. Mr. Brian cites the opinions of a Yellow Vest demonstrator named Souali: “While he does not support the National Rally, Souali nonetheless believes they will dominate the European elections this May, swinging the balance of power away from Macron. He also thinks it is possible that the current administration will be dissolved prior to the EU elections.”

I asked the question under Mr. Brian’s post: “Given Scott McConnell’s current series of reports from France, it would be interesting to have his take on Souali’s opinions re the outcome of the up-coming EU elections and the possibility that the current Macron administration will be dissolved before the EU elections.”

I may be breaking protocol here, but it would so fine, Mr. McConnell, if you would comment under Mr. Brian’s post.

#35 Comment By GaryH On January 14, 2019 @ 2:33 pm

Western Elites – not just those in the US, with many non-US Elites worse than the US version – truly despise the non-Elite whites they lord over. Therefore, they rarely give a half a hoot about anything that harms non-Elite whites, and many Elites seem to delight in them.

That means it is much easier for a non-white to warn about the horrors of Islam let loose. Rednecks are not allowed a voice most of the time.

Eventually, Moslems will see the obvious and start preaching to non-Elite whites. Not necessarily to convert them to Islam, but to convert them to be allies with Moslems against Western Elites.

#36 Comment By Joe the Plumber On January 14, 2019 @ 3:33 pm

@traeh

Yawn!

#37 Comment By Joe the Plumber On January 14, 2019 @ 5:00 pm

@Tom Cullem

“The point isn’t that Muslims are really not civilised enough to live in Europe with Europeans nor have the authors suggested that. The point being made is that whilst white nationalism is fair game for critcisim, and Christian fundamentalism likewise, politicians are afraid to criticise Islam when it, like other belief systems, goes off the rails.”

It’s a fair point and in particular the hogwash you describe is a disgrace. But consider that there is a third edge to the triangle, since no single extreme can support itself: the PC leftsit edge, the Muslim community who doesn’t trust authorities to report the -it knows-well crimes of its own members AND the extreme anti-Islam bigots. All the three support and feed the other too. So, while we’re talking about ‘going off the rail’, -while I admit that “Islam, like any other belief system, can go off the rail” (in the sense that Chrisitian fundamentalists also make the Christianity go off the rail), don’t you think that there are people whose criticism of Islam go off the rail? The point is that Islamophobia exists. It’s fair to ask that one must be free to criticize aspects of Islam or Muslim culture, but isn’t it fair to ask that the shortcomings of its community does not justify Open Season on Islam? or to empathically insist that certain brands of “Islam criticizing” are not real thoughtful criticism but only cheap propaganda, only worthy of the authors of Protocols of Zion?

#38 Comment By pensword On January 14, 2019 @ 6:57 pm

But the recognition, however foggy, of two realms, permitted European society to be somewhat open and evolving, and led eventually to the Enlightenment and then to the US Constitution’s First Amendment, which formalized the existence of two realms.

The problem with this take on history is that it doesn’t withstand close scrutiny.

When Christianity became the official religion of Byzantium, in a relatively short time, one living beneath imperial auspices had no choice but to be Christian in order to obtain the full benefits of citizenship. There wasn’t merely “fogginess” about the lack of religious liberty; it simply didn’t exist. This ethos of totalitarian rule prevailed for centuries.

Contrast this with Islam, under which Jews, Christians and others enjoyed religious liberty long before Europe experienced the Renaissance. Under muslim rule, the Iberian Peninsula was the first region in Europe to experience this, and as such, ignited the spark of transformation that would eventually overwhelm all of Europe in its journey to the Enlightenment.

Your straight line drawn between Jesus and Jefferson is incomplete without consideration of these facts.

Muhammad, became Caesar, or at any rate the ruler of an expansionist theocratic state that permitted neither freedom of speech nor freedom of religion.

Utter nonsense.

I’ve spent over half of my life studying the history of this religion, so you won’t pull off this flagrant anti-Islam polemic so easily.

If you must know, the “first blood” shed between Byzantium and the nascent muslim polity was spilled by a vassal of Byzantium, who murdered a muslim emissary without cause. This was the beginning of the protracted conflict between the two polities, one that Byzantium never anticipated would yield the results that it did. (The Christian Empire certainly wasn’t interested in making peace with its enemies.) It may be argued that some later conflicts were not warranted by Islam itself, though the territory acquired in the early conquests fought for the very survival of the muslim polity was hardly gained as a consequence of “expansionism.”

Furthermore, the Constitution of Medina, as well as other treaties drawn up between muslims and Christians, were unprecedented in world history. Contrary to your claim, full religious liberty was guaranteed to all citizens living under the aegis of muslim rule. Were it otherwise, ancient churches and synagogues would never have survived for as long as they have in muslim lands.

In Sahih Bukhari, the most canonical hadith collection, Muhammad says, “If someone changes his Islamic religion, then kill him.”

“Most canonical”? Sounds quite parochial to me.

Sahih Bukhari is highly regarded, to be certain, but cherry-picking a bad translation of a haddith in order to characterize The Prophet is about as transparent an attempt to smear him as quoting Matthew 10:34 in order to portrary Jesus as a war-monger.

FWIW, the original Arabic doesn’t use the term “Islamic” at all, and the addition of the pronoun “his” is misleading without explanation. The statement was made in reference to those who strive to change Islam into something it is not, as when a renegade faction declared that “Zakat” (pruning of annual income for the commonwealth) was no longer a pillar of the religion after The Prophet passed on. Abu Bakr, the first successor to Muhammad, fought to quell their rebellion in Islam’s infancy, as failing to do so would have henceforth radically corrupted representation and practice of the religion.

Contrary to your claim, it is NOT a mandate to capitally punish apostates, and there isn’t a single instance of The Prophet ever having done so.

That beginning leads to what we see in most of the Islamic world today, where the core Islamic region of North Africa and the Middle East has the worst human rights record of any major region in the world.

Your opinions aside, those “human rights violations” occur not because of Islam, but because the millenial muslim world has fallen away from their religion. You seem to forget that, in relatively recent history, those muslims were “given” sovereignty by the victors of World War I, who carved up and created nation-states as they pleased. Many of those nations were administrated by autocratic rulers who governed their people quite contrary to Islam, typically adopting European constitutions and laws. In those countries, after WW I, the brutal suppression of grass-roots muslim groups (e.g. Students of the Risale-i Nur in Turkey and the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, among others) was legendary.

All the cliche talking points of you anti-Islam brigadiers fail when subjected to further examination. FGM, honor killings and suppression of religious liberty are not sanctioned by Islam. It wouldn’t make a difference if 99% of all nominal muslims polled disagreed with this statement. You don’t judge a religion by those who claim to follow it. You judge after reasonable study of it core texts.

Europeans should develop a new policy, namely a moratorium on immigration from any nation, whether Islamic or not, that does not protect freedom of religion or freedom of speech. … The immigration policy mentioned could of course make exceptions for individuals who are seriously oppressed minorities and who support basic freedoms

With all due respect, this is one of the worst suggestions I’ve ever seen.

Under such restrictions, your “exceptions” will prove to be the general rule. Good luck trying to deal with the pandora’s box you’ll open in attempting to determine the “seriousness” with which any given minority is “oppressed” and imposing an entirely perfunctory litmus test to decide “who supports basic freedoms.”

#39 Comment By Lesley On January 14, 2019 @ 7:38 pm

@Fayez – as you know throughout the Koran, Jews and Christians are called blasphemers, liars, jealous, and their belief systems are condemned. The Koran also cautions Muslims not to be friends with Christians and Jews. I can provide you with the Suras where these instructions are to be found. Is it any surprise then that devout followers consider Jews and Christians to be sub-human? While Christians have at times throughout history done evil in the name of their religion, no where in the New Testament (based on the teachings of Christ) will you find anything but teachings of love, forgiveness, charity, etc. Jesus only spoke of love for everyone. When one religion denounces other religions in its holiest book how can the followers of that religion live at peace with those other religions.

#40 Comment By Joe the Plumber On January 15, 2019 @ 12:38 pm

@Lesley

By all means, provide ‘the Surahs’ with cherry-picked out of context half-cut ill-translated verses. For God’s sake, what book are you reading? I bet you don’t even know the difference between a Surah (roughly a chapter) and an Ayah (a verse) and yet you come and propagate this nonsense about a millennial religion with a culture much greater than what you can imagine. For your reference:

Qur’an 60: 8-9

8. God forbids you not, as regards those who have not fought you in religion’s cause, nor expelled you from your habitations, that you should be kindly to them, and act justly towards them; surely God loves the just.

9. God only forbids you as to those who have fought you in religion’s cause, and expelled you from your habitations, and have supported in your expulsion, that you should take them for friends. And whosoever takes them for friends, those — they are the evildoers.

#41 Comment By Janwaar Bibi On January 15, 2019 @ 1:48 pm

South Asians in Britain have a statutory rape rate *eleven to twelve times* the rate for ethnic English people. Hector

I asked for evidence of this claim because the British government statistics refer only to “Asians” as far as I know.

Asian in British parlance means South Asian- other Asians are referred to as East Asians. Hector

This is not evidence. Please show me an official British report on this matter that refers to *South* Asians.

If you cannot do so, you should ask yourself why you have no problem making the leap to “South Asians” from the official category of “Asians” but cannot get yourself to notice the remarkably uniform religious backgrounds of these people.

#42 Comment By John Doe On January 15, 2019 @ 5:22 pm

@ pensword

“You don’t judge a religion by those who claim to follow it. You judge after reasonable study of it core texts.”

Except that it is precisely those who claim to follow it that actually matter in real life – because they are the ones you interact with. Core Texts don’t matter, except for Ivory Tower types. If the majority of those “followers” do the opposite of those Core Texts, then guess what? I don’t give a FF about those texts.

I submit Saudi Arabia as Exhibit #1.