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Only Smears and Snark for Poland on Its Birthday

If people can’t even be nice to you on your birthday, that’s a sign they really don’t like you at all. Such is the case for countries, too, and Poland is a case in point. That country, at least as long as it is led by its Law and Justice Party, is becoming a pariah within the European Union. Indeed, beyond the EU, the Western elites, overall, are increasingly hostile. And so Poland, forever embattled, is embattled once again.

The events of November 11 illustrate this syndrome. On that date, Poland celebrated its birthday or, more precisely, the day of its rebirth as an independent country after more than a century of subservience.

Back on November 11, 1918, as the Kaiser’s Germany capitulated, thereby ending World War I, Polish patriots seized the chance to declare their liberation. For Poles, their national dream—the dream of such heroes as Tadeusz Kościuszko, who had fought for American independence, as well as Polish independence—had finally come true.

Yet just two decades later came the horrors of World War II; in 1939, Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia combined to conquer Poland. Some six million Poles died by violence in the next six years; about three million of them were Jewish.

The Nazis, of course, were ousted in 1945, and yet the last Russian troops didn’t leave until 1992; Poland joined the EU in 2004.

So now, on Poland’s special day, revived once again—and hopefully for good—one might have thought that world leaders would have converged on Warsaw, offering gestures of friendship and solidarity. And yet there was no such luck for Poland. Why not? It seems that the Poles, in their national deep-dyed conservatism, have been electing the wrong leaders, in the view of the EU and Western chatterers.

Indeed, Poland’s November 11 Independence Day march, totaling some 60,000 parading through the streets of Warsaw, became an international flashpoint.

Within hours of the march, the Associated Press [1] blared this headline: “Declaring ‘White Europe’ and “We Want God,’ 60,000 join far-right march on Poland’s Independence Day.”

We might linger over some of those signaling phrases: “far-right” is bad enough (read: non-progressive), but in addition, as the AP pointed out, it was President Donald Trump himself [2]who recalled the words of an old hymn, “We want God,” in his July 6 speech in Warsaw. So I guess we know what the media thinks about Poles citing Trump approvingly. And as for “White Europe,” what is there to say?  

Many other media outlets joined in the anti-Polish pounding. The Guardian, for example, [3] added such details as hearing the uttering of the words “pure Poland, white Poland,” as well as the occasional presence of a fascistic residue from Poland’s past, such as the falanga symbol of the 30s. Even more provocatively, CNN reported [4]that the marchers happily passed under a banner reading, “Pray for Islamic Holocaust.”

As a matter of fact, that report of the “Holocaust” banner proved to be false [5]; CNN soon retracted it.

And yet even so, the “Holocaust” meme spread around the world, seeping into countless news reports. Three centuries ago, Jonathan Swift nailed this sort of phenomenon: “Falsehood flies, and the Truth comes limping after it.”

We might also pause to note that the crowd, whatever it said and believed, numbered 60,000 people, including a contingent of foreigners—in other words, just a drop in the bucket for a country of some 38 million. We can ask: What country couldn’t be ill-judged by the excesses of its farthest extremes? Yet for a larger perspective on Polish thinking, we can observe that no extremist party has more than a seat or two in the 460-member Sejm, or parliament.

Yet still, just to be on the safe side, Poland’s President Andrzej Duda quickly denounced the extremists among the marchers: “There is no place in Poland” for “sick nationalism,” he declared, nor for any kind of xenophobia or anti-Semitism.

Moreover, the Polish government announced that Richard Spencer, the American Alt-Right leader, would not be allowed entry into Poland [6]. As Spencer lamented, “I’m being treated like a criminal by the Polish government.” No doubt most Americans would be happy to be rid of Spencer, too, and yet here in the U.S. one can imagine that the American Civil Liberties Union would take up his case, vindicating his “right” to be a provocateur. Yet fortunately for Poland, there doesn’t seem to be a “PCLU” in that country; Poles should be glad that their vision of ordered freedom doesn’t allow for the presence of Spencer.

Still, Duda’s denunciation of extremism, and the government’s action against one particular extremist, seemed to do little good; the international punditariat now has Poland in its crosshairs. Here, for instance, is a headline atop a column [7] in the Toronto Star: “Massive fascist rally in Poland shows how the far right has perverted the word ‘Patriotism.’”

And here’s the headline for a hostile New York Times op-ed [8]: “Poles Cry for ‘Pure Blood’ Again.”

Also, there was this Financial Times header [9]: “Poland leads the way in normalising the far right.” In the words of the FT, the Warsaw march represented “a depressing echo of the fascist demonstrations across Europe in the 1930s.” Indeed, speaking for the pro-EU worldview of both the newspaper and its affluent readership, the paper lambasted Poland’s political leaders, even as it went on to reveal its own ultimate bias:

The political and cultural paranoia of Law and Justice, fueled by a perverted idea of Polish uniqueness and greatness, is the greatest obstacle to fulfilling that promise for Poland itself, apart from all the damage it is doing to the European project as a whole.” (Emphasis mine)

If we tarry over those last words, we can see that Poland’s greatest insult to the transnational orthodoxy has been its getting in the way of the piously phrased, and endlessly repeated, mantra of the EU trans-nationalists: “The European Project.”

Next, having made the point that the Poles were flirting with fascism and getting in the way of a consolidated Europe, the FT unleashed an analogy sure to be seen as the coup de grâce by any suitably “enlightened” reader: “It is more important to notice another parallel: between Warsaw and the far-right gathering in Charlottesville, Virginia, in August.”

In other words, the events in Poland should be seen as linked not only to the Alt-Right, but also, by extension, to the Dreaded Trump—and that’s all the non-virtue-signaling needed to provoke progressives into anti-Polish apoplexy.

And the hits keep coming, fast and furious. On November 28, The Washington Post headlined [10], “Poland’s in crisis again. Here’s what you should know about the far right’s latest power-grab.” By now, the reader gets the idea: Poland is in one place, and the worldwide media are in another.

As a matter of fact, the Post article noted that the Law and Justice Party, anathematized abroad, is actually gaining at home; polls have it defeating the next-largest party by a more than 3:1 margin.

So perhaps it’s Poland’s destiny to celebrate its birthday mostly alone—including its centennial next year, 2018. The EU might tolerate Poland as a member-state, but it doesn’t have be happy about its right-wing ways.

That leaves Poland in a curious kind of isolation, however. As they have so many times in their past, Poles must chart their own course, sturdily defying their neighbors.

James P. Pinkerton is an author and contributing editor at TAC. He also served as a White House policy aide to both Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush.

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50 Comments To "Only Smears and Snark for Poland on Its Birthday"

#1 Comment By Richard Parker On November 29, 2017 @ 10:53 pm

“They” hate us. “They” intend to crush us – everywhere.

#2 Comment By Rabiner On November 30, 2017 @ 12:25 am

As a son of Polish Jews I’m disheartened by Poland today.

#3 Comment By David On November 30, 2017 @ 1:57 am

We had 50 Little Green Fascist Men appear at the Independence Day celebration. My son was there but did not see them. They unfurled their racist banner, shouted a few racists slogans then disappeared within a few minutes after they’d got their media coverage from strategically-placed photo-journalists. All wearing ski masks. A set-up? Possible. Foreign or domestic? Unknowable. A few years ago the Sowa secret recordings revealed that the then Tusk government had used police agents to set fire to the gatehouse at the Russian embassy during a demonstration so it could be blamed on the ‘far right’. My own wife was attacked by government heavies while lining up all night to pay her respects to the Smolensk dead who were laid out in the presidential palace. Incidentally, a close relation of mine who works in the security forces told me an anonymous letter was passed round in advance of the Smolensk crash that, to quote, “The president’s not coming back.” In Poland, everything is possible.

#4 Comment By L.K. On November 30, 2017 @ 3:22 am

Great article. Western media like CNN,
The Washington Post, NYT etc. are a societal disease.

#5 Comment By Hrant On November 30, 2017 @ 5:18 am

” Even more provocatively, CNN reported that the marchers happily passed under a banner reading, “Pray for Islamic Holocaust.”

As a matter of fact, that report of the “Holocaust” banner proved to be false; CNN soon retracted it.”

What else to expect from CNN?

#6 Comment By Chris C. On November 30, 2017 @ 7:35 am

May God bless Poland and the church in Poland.

#7 Comment By Best Western On November 30, 2017 @ 9:16 am

A West that isn’t Christian is unlikely to survive. Poland understands that. Other Western countries are realizing it.

So I say with Chris C. above “God bless Poland and the church in Poland.” Poland is showing the way.

#8 Comment By collin On November 30, 2017 @ 9:44 am

That leaves Poland in a curious kind of isolation, however. As they have so many times in their past, Poles must chart their own course, sturdily defying their neighbors.

It seems like a small difference between joining the EU and historical European powers taking over Poland here. Joining the EU means that they buy German cars, move to the UK and young people can join large EU corporation easier. (BTW Isn’t one of the reasons for Brexit that they disliked the Polish immigrants as well?) And The EU will do fine if Poland breaks apart because the EU will have more of the negotiating cars like they do with Brexit. I sure Poland wont collapse without the EU but it will hurt their growth.

“It is more important to notice another parallel: between Warsaw and the far-right gathering in Charlottesville, Virginia, in August.”

I would not say Charlottesville was any kind of success for the alt-right as:
1) Did you see the Virginia election results? The middle class does not like the alt-right message.
2) Of the protestors, many of them lost their jobs when they were identified.
3) Despite low 4% unemployment, Trump’s approvals are still below 40% and his reaction to C-ville along with Comey are two significant breaking points in 2017.

#9 Comment By mrscracker On November 30, 2017 @ 9:44 am

I’ve really lost the little respect I once had for the WaPo. It’s become for Jeff Bezos what yellow journalism was for William Randolph Hearst- a tool for political manipulation.
God bless & strengthen Poland.

#10 Comment By Alex (the one that likes Ike) On November 30, 2017 @ 9:54 am

Toronto Star: “Massive fascist rally in Poland shows how the far right has perverted the word ‘Patriotism.’”

Said those who don’t even know the meaning of that word. It’s freakin’ hilarious.

#11 Comment By PAX On November 30, 2017 @ 10:01 am

Actually, Germany did not capitulate on 11/11/2018. It signed an armistice. Then, largely over the objections of President Wilson, Germany was economically and physically dismantled. On 11/11/2018, not one allied soldier was fighting on German soil. The fighting was all being done on the Allies territory. The disruptions caused by the following Treaty of Versailles led to the rise of Hitler. In WW2 Poland was occupied and lost at least 25 percent of its population. Maybe the Poles just fear another population; regardless?

#12 Comment By Alex (the one that likes Ike) On November 30, 2017 @ 10:08 am

1) Did you see the Virginia election results? The middle class does not like the alt-right message.

Rather the middle class in a formerly purple state that became blue nearly a decade ago already does not like the alt-right message. Which is utmostly unsurprising, you know. It’s like saying that any social stratum in WV, KY or TX don’t like progressive message. It stands to reason.

#13 Comment By Alex (the one that likes Ike) On November 30, 2017 @ 10:11 am

*”any social strata”. Somebody, teach the predictive text Latin plurals, please.

#14 Comment By Michael Kenny On November 30, 2017 @ 10:12 am

The words not spoken: nobody in Polnad is talking about leaving the EU. That makes sense inasmuch as Poland’s only alternative to the EU is Putin’s tanks. As in Catalonia, several competing US anti-EU propaganda lines have collided head-on in Poland and checkmated each other.

#15 Comment By LouisM On November 30, 2017 @ 11:55 am

Poland (and the other nations of the VISEGRAD) is the great of Europe. The EU and NATO have failed with Russia, failed with their fascist control of media, failed to control EU borders from illegal immigration and from 1 member state’s decision on open border immigration to burden all other EU states in totalitarian (Soviet Style) fashion. Western Europe has lost its democracy, its Christian faith (religion) and its culture. All are in rot and decay due to secularism. All are being demolished in the name of islam and immigration. The EU is a bunch of over bureaucratized elitists passing legislation where it matters not whether any member nation ratifies it. Poland has had no terrorist incidents. The VISEGRAD and Poland can be both a bridge and a wall between Western Europe and Russia. The VISEGRAD and Poland can make inroads to Belarus and Ukraine that would be impossible for the EU.

Poland and the VISEGRAD need to stay strong and expand into Lithuania, Austria, Slovenia, Romania, Bulgaria…all the way down to Greece. In doing so, Poland and the VISEGRAD will change the balance of power and will be instrumental in removing the veil over the eyes of western Europe while giving Russia an alternative block of Central European Nations once in the Soviet Bloc that it can have relations.

#16 Comment By Dennis On November 30, 2017 @ 12:04 pm

If European culture is to be salvaged at all, it’s salvation will come from Eastern and Central Europe. It’s places like Poland, Hungary, and Russia that are the lights in the darkness, leading the way toward a true vision of European cultural restoration against the morally and culturally destructive left-liberal vision of the EU (and its American elite allies).

#17 Comment By collin On November 30, 2017 @ 12:48 pm

Rather the middle class in a formerly purple state that became blue nearly a decade ago already does not like the alt-right message. Which is utmostly unsurprising, you know. It’s like saying that any social stratum in WV, KY or TX don’t like progressive message. It stands to reason.

Reasonable points however:
1) Although Handel won GA-06 by 4 points, that margin of victory is the lowest in GA-06 in decades and Gingrich/Price normally won by ~20%+. And Handel ran closer to Romney/Bush than Trump.
2) Texas is not going Blue but conservatives need to watch themselves as Trump won by 9% compared to Romney 16% victory. So it would not surprise Ds pick up some House districts in 2018.
3) I would not be surprised the tax reform backfires a lot in these middle class districts. Without long term tax cuts, Rs are risking these districts.

#18 Comment By Will Harrington On November 30, 2017 @ 1:21 pm

PAX, I think your autofix is messing with you. Either that or history really is cyclical.

#19 Comment By Banach On November 30, 2017 @ 1:23 pm

It should be remembered that, apart from the brief interbellum period, Poland ceased to exist as an (independent) country for almost 200 years: from 1795 (Third Partition) to 1989 (Overthrow of Communism), so to celebrate the Independence Day is a momentous occasion for joy in Poland.

The illegal partitions of Poland were initiated by two Germans, Frederick II of Prussia and Catherine II of Russia in the mid-1700s. This needs to be seen in the context of that period, the time when Western Europe (including Germany) was at the height of its arrogance, colonializing much of the world and pursuing the transatlantic slave trade. Poland just happened to be in the way of military expansionism. As an example, look at the fate of Warsaw: 1795-1914 Warsaw under Russian control (esp. toward the end); 1914-18 occupied by Germany; 1918-39 returns to Poland; 1939-1945 occupied by Germany, razed to the ground, 250,000 residents are murdered; 1945-89 under Soviet control; 1989 – returns to Poland. One can see how the constant battles over the fate of the city show that there is no city more strategically located in Europe than Warsaw. No other major city in Europe (Warsaw’s metro area has about 3 million residents) has suffered this fate. Can you blame the Polish that they might feel a little besieged at times, and feel that their neighbors cannot be entirely trusted?

#20 Comment By Pepperpot On November 30, 2017 @ 1:52 pm

Latin? They can’t speak, read or write English. You’re asking too much.

#21 Comment By Chris in Appalachia On November 30, 2017 @ 2:16 pm

Poland has my admiration and support. Stand strong Poland, Hungary, and Slovakia!

#22 Comment By Chris in Appalachia On November 30, 2017 @ 2:23 pm

“…only alternative to the EU is Putin’s tanks.”

Um, it isn’t Putin’s Russia that likes to send tanks into other countries under the falsehood of “humanitarian missions” or “supporting our interests” or “regime change.” Now, which nation do you think that is?

#23 Comment By workingdad On November 30, 2017 @ 3:09 pm

Hopefully Poland stays strong, it is one of the few, if only, country in Europe I would ever consider immigrating to.

#24 Comment By JEinCA On November 30, 2017 @ 4:34 pm

Maybe if Poland truly wants to maintain it’s sovereignty and with it its’ religious, cultural and ethnic character it should leave the EU and bury the hatchet with its’ old hated rival Orthodox Russia. Russia would support Polish sovereignty and the right of Poland to maintain its national characteristics but the EU/NATO does not and will not.

#25 Comment By PAX On November 30, 2017 @ 4:34 pm

“Will Harrington” – Not sure I know what an auto fix is? Where am I wrong historically? No significant number of allied troops on German soil on 11/11/1918? Poland lost 25% of its population in WW2 and the 1919 Treaty of Versailles devastated Germany with loss of territories and vast reparations. A fairer peace treaty could well have stopped WW2. We will never know. Thanks for your comments. I guess? BTW I had a professor of history who laid much of the blame for WW1 on France? Had the Germans know their army went on strike for a period of time the conclusion to WW1 would have been vastly different. And still no WW2?

#26 Comment By Lenny On November 30, 2017 @ 4:35 pm

Another article defending fascism
Here is a hint to fasci-conservatives

Fascism was defeated and will be again

Pick your side

#27 Comment By Viriato On November 30, 2017 @ 5:01 pm

Niech żyje Polska.

#ProudlyAlone

#28 Comment By Hector_St_Clare On November 30, 2017 @ 5:53 pm

Michael Kenny,

The words not spoken: nobody in Polnad is talking about leaving the EU. That makes sense inasmuch as Poland’s only alternative to the EU is Putin’s tanks. As in Catalonia, several competing US anti-EU propaganda lines have collided head-on in Poland and checkmated each other.

Um, no. Actually discussion of leaving the EU is very much a topic of discussion in Poland. In a perfect world, Poles would overwhelmingly choose not to leave the EU, but they would even more overwhelmingly choose not to allow mass migration. And if forced to choose between the two- the EU and mass migration, or no EU and no mass migration- a slight majority would choose leaving the EU (in that conditional situation).

“A majority of Poles would be ready to give up their generous financial aid from the European Union or leave the bloc altogether to ensure the country can shut its borders to Muslim refugees, a poll showed. Coinciding with a visit by U.S. President Donald Trump on Wednesday, the poll of 1,000 people showed more than half of respondents, or 57 percent, said they would be willing to do without EU development funds to maintain the stance of rejecting refugees from Muslim countries. Fifty-one percent said they’d be ready to surrender membership in the 28-member trading bloc. The June survey, conducted by the pollster IBRiS and published in the Polityka weekly, had a margin of error of 3 percent.”

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#29 Comment By Hector_St_Clare On November 30, 2017 @ 5:55 pm

Another article defending fascism
Here is a hint to fasci-conservatives

Fascism was defeated and will be again

Pick your side

Do you have an actual point here, or do you prefer content-free utterances?

It’s actually pretty interesting to see the way small-l liberal values have become a sort of religion for some people.

#30 Comment By SteveM On November 30, 2017 @ 6:19 pm

Re: Lenny, “Another article defending fascism”

The Polish fascists in song:

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The hate emanating from that crowd of Poles was palpable.

#31 Comment By Alex (the one that likes Ike) On November 30, 2017 @ 6:25 pm

collin,

2) Texas is not going Blue but conservatives need to watch themselves as Trump won by 9% compared to Romney 16% victory. So it would not surprise Ds pick up some House districts in 2018.

Rather due to Trumps conflict (or “conflict”, though in such a case both of them seriously overacted) with Texas’s own Ted Cruz.

***

Pepperpot,

Latin? They can’t speak, read or write English. You’re asking too much.

[Rueful sigh] I know… I know. Just dreaming aloud.

#32 Comment By Alex (the one that likes Ike) On November 30, 2017 @ 6:55 pm

Another article defending fascism
Here is a hint to fasci-conservatives

Fascism was defeated and will be again

Pick your side

Ah… Hipster chairborne brigades ready to be deployed and rush at the enemy.

Reminds me of the old joke that chihuahuas were actually hound dogs of Toltec kings used to hunt cougars. When a cougar saw a pack of 300 chihuahuas, it died laughing.

#33 Comment By Jay On November 30, 2017 @ 7:29 pm

As happy I am I don’t have to find work in the polish economy, let the EU sneer, they will do nothing but waste their breath, until the uk they pay Warsaw’s bills everyday of the week.

#34 Comment By William M. On November 30, 2017 @ 8:06 pm

@Lenny

Who’s gonna Uncle Joe this time?

#35 Comment By William M. On November 30, 2017 @ 8:07 pm

Sorry, I meant to say:

Who’s gonna be Uncle Joe this time?

#36 Comment By Glaivester On November 30, 2017 @ 10:27 pm

“Will Harrington” – Not sure I know what an auto fix is? Where am I wrong historically? No significant number of allied troops on German soil on 11/11/1918?

Your original post says: “Actually, Germany did not capitulate on 11/11/2018.”

#37 Comment By Man of the West On November 30, 2017 @ 10:30 pm

The fact is, the globalists and Western Europeans hate Poland, because Poland is living proof of their lie that diversity is beneficial, that multiculturalism works, etc. In essence, in Poland, you have a country with few of the cultural problems that Western Europe has, and everyone sees that. Now, that is not to say that Poland does not have other problems, but they are not the same visible problems that Western Europe has, which is why the Western Europeans hate it.

Cheers,

MOTW
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#38 Comment By Nestor On December 1, 2017 @ 9:14 am

“No doubt most Americans would be happy to be rid of Spencer, too”

There’s a fallacy.

I have my disagreements with Spencer, but I’d rather keep Spencer and get rid of the literally millions of illegal invaders who are in America.

And for those who are “disheartened” by Poland today, believe me, Poland will be very happy if your disheartenment would keep you far away from Poland. It’s really better for everyone.

#39 Comment By snapper On December 1, 2017 @ 10:50 am

Jeszcze Polska nie zginęła

#40 Comment By Alex (the one that likes Ike) On December 1, 2017 @ 12:24 pm

William M.,

Who’s gonna be Uncle Joe this time?

No one. And that is what gives the liberal dreamworld this delightful touch of farce like that of tobacco in a seasoned Chianti. Trump is fascist, Putin is fascist, Xi is a left-wing fascist; fascists organized Brexit, and now are on the eve of taking over Italy, the place where the fascist ideology was born; Merkel failed to form a coalition that was the only chance from stopping the fascist rise in Germany; French fascist generals are colluding in order to oust Manny, EU’s last hope.

And Duterte! I forgot about Duterte! Rody alone can outfascist all of the above.

The heroic hipster chairborne troops are the only thing that keeps fascist from passing through the Gate of Hell and plunging the world into a perpetual darkness.

#41 Comment By Mr_Mike On December 1, 2017 @ 2:48 pm

If Leftists desire a society brought about my authoritarian actions, why should anyone be surprised by right wingers doing the same? If a large part of a society don’t want forced, mass immigration, why go about forcing it on them?

#42 Comment By SteveK9 On December 1, 2017 @ 6:45 pm

The Law and Justice party is also anti-Russian. I don’t know how the Guardian will square that circle. Although I expect they will manage it.

#43 Comment By Patrick Bardamu On December 1, 2017 @ 8:10 pm

JEinCA is right- Poland (and other Eastern European countries with historical differences with Russia) might eventually end up being absorbed back into the Russian sphere of influence once it gets a large enough dose what the EU brings with it. With a little convincing (and of course, renouncing any claims to their territories) Russia could coax countries like Poland and Lithuania back, especially if the economic benefits of EU membership slip a bit. Better minds than mine can articulate it better, but one could see how cheap gas and a closer relationship with a culturally similar neighbor might eventually beat integration with the increasingly socially radical and immigrant obsessed Western Europeans, especially if Western Europe goes through any kind of serious economic crisis.

The coverage of the regular marchers seems just as negative as that of the “fascists” which is the same problem we have with Western coverage of our own politics. You normalize some very nasty ideas (like “fascism”, however you define a word that used to refer to secular Italian nationalists) by referring to everything to the right of the Greens with those labels. I very much doubt there were many actual fascists there, but even those who were not are being treated as much. We get it Western media, Polish people were religious and patriotic in public and you don’t like it now that you can’t exploit it to make the USSR look bad. That doesn’t mean it was fascist. Again, you remove the stigma of that word when you use to describe every European who doesn’t hate their own people.

#44 Comment By jb On December 1, 2017 @ 8:20 pm

Seems to me it could be:
any (single) stratum
or
any (several)strata

#45 Comment By mf On December 1, 2017 @ 10:06 pm

like Trump, the American “Conservatism” is showing its true colors. Fascism is, Fascism does ,even though disguised by pious cries of love for liberty

#46 Comment By Alex (the one that likes Ike) On December 2, 2017 @ 10:55 am

jb,

Seems to me it could be:
any (single) stratum
or
any (several)strata

Yeah. I wanted to say “any social strata”, but the predictive text decided otherwise.

#47 Comment By JonF On December 2, 2017 @ 6:02 pm

Re: No other major city in Europe (Warsaw’s metro area has about 3 million residents) has suffered this fate.

Rome in its long history suffered four epic sacks: by the Gauls in the 5th century BC, by the Goths and then by the Vandals in the 5th century AD, and the worst of all by the Germany army of Charles V in 1527.

#48 Comment By Henry Holody On December 2, 2017 @ 9:49 pm

Leave Poland alone. Do not tell Poland what to do if you do not know what you are doing yourself. Nations treated Poland as a card in the deck. Those days are over.

#49 Comment By Saldin On December 3, 2017 @ 3:31 am

“Pray for an Islamic Holocaust”

[CNN has since corrected its story and removed its reference to the banner. A similar banner was hung in another Polish city in 2015, according to local reports, but not at Saturday’s march.]

Note the “similar banner” statement… meaning, no matter if CNN was wrong, such a banner was still displayed, albeit at a different location.

Anyway, it is ironical that some facist leaning Christians would display such a banner, when it is their own faith which appears to be facing a holocaust.

As for Islam, in Trump’s non-immortal words, we are doing just fine.

#50 Comment By BCZ On December 3, 2017 @ 7:34 am

To cast the law and Justice party as a mainstream far-Conservative movement is to view it through deeply biased eyes.

I defend conservatives and Christian Democrats in Europe regularly, put what’s happening in Poland risks making that Republic captured by one segment of the population which is the same risk in the US now.

That’s not conservative. It’s anti-republican and anti-democratic (small ‘r’s and ‘d’s Both)… and if that is not a conservative value to you then the critics have it right and you just don’t like that for them this is a red line.