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	<title>Comments on: Forget About Burke</title>
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		<title>By: N.P. West</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/postright/2009/10/22/forget-about-burke/comment-page-1/#comment-2585</link>
		<dc:creator>N.P. West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, ISI is explicitly traditionalist.  They publish a number of traditionalist quarterlies (Modern Age, The University Bookman, The Chesterton Review, Faith and Reason) and also publish numerous traditionalist books through their imprint, ISI Books.  Their programs have a distinctly Kirkian flavor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, ISI is explicitly traditionalist.  They publish a number of traditionalist quarterlies (Modern Age, The University Bookman, The Chesterton Review, Faith and Reason) and also publish numerous traditionalist books through their imprint, ISI Books.  Their programs have a distinctly Kirkian flavor.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/postright/2009/10/22/forget-about-burke/comment-page-1/#comment-2557</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 08:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t ISI explicitly classical liberal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t ISI explicitly classical liberal?</p>
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		<title>By: N. P. West</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/postright/2009/10/22/forget-about-burke/comment-page-1/#comment-2551</link>
		<dc:creator>N. P. West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best thing for traditionalist conservatives to do is to hold fast to the Burkean legacy they have conserved for so long.  Let Brooks and Tanenhaus try to co-opt Burke; real conservatives will always know that Burkean conservatism can&#039;t be claimed by neocons or liberals.

By the way the Intercollegiate Studies Institute is hosting an Edmund Burke Revival Conference at the Russell Kirk Center in Mecosta, Michigan around Halloween.  It will feature real conservatives such as Dr. George H. Nash and Dr. Peter J. Stanlis as well as Dr. Ian Crowe of the Edmund Burke Society of America.  I would say patroning this event and investing in the programs at the Russell Kirk Center, ISI, and the Edmund Burke Society make more sense than supporting the Edmund Burke Institute.

And do not forget that ISI publishes the traditionalist journal, Studies in Burke and His Time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best thing for traditionalist conservatives to do is to hold fast to the Burkean legacy they have conserved for so long.  Let Brooks and Tanenhaus try to co-opt Burke; real conservatives will always know that Burkean conservatism can&#8217;t be claimed by neocons or liberals.</p>
<p>By the way the Intercollegiate Studies Institute is hosting an Edmund Burke Revival Conference at the Russell Kirk Center in Mecosta, Michigan around Halloween.  It will feature real conservatives such as Dr. George H. Nash and Dr. Peter J. Stanlis as well as Dr. Ian Crowe of the Edmund Burke Society of America.  I would say patroning this event and investing in the programs at the Russell Kirk Center, ISI, and the Edmund Burke Society make more sense than supporting the Edmund Burke Institute.</p>
<p>And do not forget that ISI publishes the traditionalist journal, Studies in Burke and His Time.</p>
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		<title>By: Carpenter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carpenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And it is &quot;a eulogy,&quot; not &quot;an eulogy.&quot; Sloppy for a speech-writing firm. I am not even American, and I caught that one anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And it is &#8220;a eulogy,&#8221; not &#8220;an eulogy.&#8221; Sloppy for a speech-writing firm. I am not even American, and I caught that one anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Carpenter</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/postright/2009/10/22/forget-about-burke/comment-page-1/#comment-2548</link>
		<dc:creator>Carpenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A look at the staff for the &quot;Edmund Burke Institute&quot;:

http://www.edmundburkeinstitute.org/staff.htm

Jeffrey T. Kuhner, Grace Vuoto, Loredana Vuoto. These three are also 60 percent of the speech-writing firm Eloquence:

http://eloquencellc.com/writer.html

Jeffrey Kuhner is the President of EBI, with Grace Vuoto as the Executive Director. Loredana Vuoto on the other hand is the President of their Eloquence firm. It is nice to see that they take turns with the top titles.

Speech writing is a cousin to prostitution: you push for someone else&#039;s opinions, as long as he pays. Those who pay can then take credit for something they didn&#039;t write, getting pats on the shoulder for their brilliant defense of the cause. Speech writers are the perfect symbol of the rot in today&#039;s dishonest politics, where everything is just a costly show.

From the Eloquence website:

&quot;At Eloquence, no event is too small. Whether you need to deliver a three-minute speech or an hour-long address, we can spellbind your audience.&quot;

&quot;Choose your preferred medium and desired topic and we will deliver outstanding results.&quot;

&quot;In business, there is no room for second best. Let Eloquence take you to the top.&quot;

&quot;Whether you are proposing to a loved one, making a toast at a wedding or giving an eulogy, Eloquence will set the proper tone for your intended audience.&quot;

Isn&#039;t that nice. Just pay, and you can get the right manipulation of your voters, your colleagues or your girlfriend. This blatant harpooning of all integrity may be eloquent - but it is not conservative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A look at the staff for the &#8220;Edmund Burke Institute&#8221;:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.edmundburkeinstitute.org/staff.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.edmundburkeinstitute.org/staff.htm</a></p>
<p>Jeffrey T. Kuhner, Grace Vuoto, Loredana Vuoto. These three are also 60 percent of the speech-writing firm Eloquence:</p>
<p><a href="http://eloquencellc.com/writer.html" rel="nofollow">http://eloquencellc.com/writer.html</a></p>
<p>Jeffrey Kuhner is the President of EBI, with Grace Vuoto as the Executive Director. Loredana Vuoto on the other hand is the President of their Eloquence firm. It is nice to see that they take turns with the top titles.</p>
<p>Speech writing is a cousin to prostitution: you push for someone else&#8217;s opinions, as long as he pays. Those who pay can then take credit for something they didn&#8217;t write, getting pats on the shoulder for their brilliant defense of the cause. Speech writers are the perfect symbol of the rot in today&#8217;s dishonest politics, where everything is just a costly show.</p>
<p>From the Eloquence website:</p>
<p>&#8220;At Eloquence, no event is too small. Whether you need to deliver a three-minute speech or an hour-long address, we can spellbind your audience.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Choose your preferred medium and desired topic and we will deliver outstanding results.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;In business, there is no room for second best. Let Eloquence take you to the top.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Whether you are proposing to a loved one, making a toast at a wedding or giving an eulogy, Eloquence will set the proper tone for your intended audience.&#8221;</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that nice. Just pay, and you can get the right manipulation of your voters, your colleagues or your girlfriend. This blatant harpooning of all integrity may be eloquent &#8211; but it is not conservative.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 20:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right, John, that is the source of much ideological confusion.  

There are universal conservative principles which may be realised in different and peculiar ways depending on the situation, but only within adherence to their principles.  If supporting strict constructionism has no, or loses its, connection to a conservative vision of society (immaterial moral values, patriotism, authority &amp; hierarchy, maintenance of social order, etc.), promoting the Constitution in and of itself, then it is a dogmatic liberal, not a conservative, position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right, John, that is the source of much ideological confusion.  </p>
<p>There are universal conservative principles which may be realised in different and peculiar ways depending on the situation, but only within adherence to their principles.  If supporting strict constructionism has no, or loses its, connection to a conservative vision of society (immaterial moral values, patriotism, authority &amp; hierarchy, maintenance of social order, etc.), promoting the Constitution in and of itself, then it is a dogmatic liberal, not a conservative, position.</p>
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		<title>By: William P</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/postright/2009/10/22/forget-about-burke/comment-page-1/#comment-2538</link>
		<dc:creator>William P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For an intelligent discussion on Burke, see:
http://www.mofopolitics.com/2009/07/21/mark-levin-skewers-peter-berkowitz-review-skewering-mark-levins-book/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For an intelligent discussion on Burke, see:<br />
<a href="http://www.mofopolitics.com/2009/07/21/mark-levin-skewers-peter-berkowitz-review-skewering-mark-levins-book/" rel="nofollow">http://www.mofopolitics.com/2009/07/21/mark-levin-skewers-peter-berkowitz-review-skewering-mark-levins-book/</a></p>
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		<title>By: John Médaille</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/postright/2009/10/22/forget-about-burke/comment-page-1/#comment-2529</link>
		<dc:creator>John Médaille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 01:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the question is, &quot;what is it that &quot;conservatism&quot; seeks to conserve.&quot; It seems to be that for at least some conservatives, it seeks to conserve not Burke&#039;s values, but the values of the Enlightenment. This is to say, it conserves Liberalism. No wonder the movement is so often incoherent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the question is, &#8220;what is it that &#8220;conservatism&#8221; seeks to conserve.&#8221; It seems to be that for at least some conservatives, it seeks to conserve not Burke&#8217;s values, but the values of the Enlightenment. This is to say, it conserves Liberalism. No wonder the movement is so often incoherent.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/postright/2009/10/22/forget-about-burke/comment-page-1/#comment-2526</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 21:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point taken strictly as it is is entirely fair.  

However, if it should be expanded explicitly to mean conservatives should support classical liberal principles dogmatically even if it means thrashing established traditions and institutions, then it is problematic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point taken strictly as it is is entirely fair.  </p>
<p>However, if it should be expanded explicitly to mean conservatives should support classical liberal principles dogmatically even if it means thrashing established traditions and institutions, then it is problematic.</p>
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		<title>By: John Médaille</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/postright/2009/10/22/forget-about-burke/comment-page-1/#comment-2522</link>
		<dc:creator>John Médaille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Burke has nothing to say about outreach to the Latinos? Maybe not, but how about his outreach to the Irish? Or to the American colonies?

Nothing changes. Just the names.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Burke has nothing to say about outreach to the Latinos? Maybe not, but how about his outreach to the Irish? Or to the American colonies?</p>
<p>Nothing changes. Just the names.</p>
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