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		<title>By: Ron Holland</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/postright/2009/07/03/celebrate-secession/comment-page-1/#comment-3196</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Holland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 03:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Secession: A Solution to the Washington Debt Threat
http://www.lewrockwell.com/holland/holland13.1.html

Ron Holland fears the federal government will plunder much of our private wealth, retirement plans and personal savings through hyperinflation, financial controls and confiscatory tax rates all in the name of protecting the public from a future debt crisis unless the states can secede from the Union and the crushing Washington debt load.</description>
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<p>Ron Holland fears the federal government will plunder much of our private wealth, retirement plans and personal savings through hyperinflation, financial controls and confiscatory tax rates all in the name of protecting the public from a future debt crisis unless the states can secede from the Union and the crushing Washington debt load.</p>
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		<title>By: A rational look at secession&#160;&#124;&#160;LDS Freemen</title>
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		<dc:creator>A rational look at secession&#160;&#124;&#160;LDS Freemen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 07:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] government. For that I ask, why not secession? Several very good, rational, reasons for secession have been written by John Payne for The American Conservative, excerpts: 1) The most basic reason for supporting [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] government. For that I ask, why not secession? Several very good, rational, reasons for secession have been written by John Payne for The American Conservative, excerpts: 1) The most basic reason for supporting [...]</p>
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		<title>By: A Rational Look at Secession &#124; Mormon Bloggers</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/postright/2009/07/03/celebrate-secession/comment-page-1/#comment-1282</link>
		<dc:creator>A Rational Look at Secession &#124; Mormon Bloggers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] government. For that I ask, why not secession? Several very good, rational, reasons for secession have been written by John Payne for The American Conservative, excerpts: 1) The most basic reason for supporting [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] government. For that I ask, why not secession? Several very good, rational, reasons for secession have been written by John Payne for The American Conservative, excerpts: 1) The most basic reason for supporting [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/postright/2009/07/03/celebrate-secession/comment-page-1/#comment-936</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 16:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have a grassroots movement happening here in Arizona.  Should the Cap&#039;n&#039;trade pass AND/OR the Nazi Care pass, we&#039;re going to petition for signatures to get Secession put on the ballot for Arizona.  A similar drive is happening in Texas as well.

Keep and eye out for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have a grassroots movement happening here in Arizona.  Should the Cap&#8217;n'trade pass AND/OR the Nazi Care pass, we&#8217;re going to petition for signatures to get Secession put on the ballot for Arizona.  A similar drive is happening in Texas as well.</p>
<p>Keep and eye out for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Quidam</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/postright/2009/07/03/celebrate-secession/comment-page-1/#comment-567</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Quidam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the third point made in this article (expanding the number of representatives), please read Walter Williams&#039; article &quot;Political Monopoly Powe&quot; about enlarging representation and about Thirty-Thousand.org:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/19/political-monopoly-power/

Then please read the 15 Questions &amp; Answers on Thirty-Thousand.org&#039;s home page:
http://www.Thirty-Thousand.org

Thirty-Thousand.org (TTO) is a non-partisan and non-profit organization. 

&quot;That government is best which governs least.&quot; ― Thomas Paine</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the third point made in this article (expanding the number of representatives), please read Walter Williams&#8217; article &#8220;Political Monopoly Powe&#8221; about enlarging representation and about Thirty-Thousand.org:<br />
<a href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/19/political-monopoly-power/" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/19/political-monopoly-power/</a></p>
<p>Then please read the 15 Questions &amp; Answers on Thirty-Thousand.org&#8217;s home page:<br />
<a href="http://www.Thirty-Thousand.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.Thirty-Thousand.org</a></p>
<p>Thirty-Thousand.org (TTO) is a non-partisan and non-profit organization. </p>
<p>&#8220;That government is best which governs least.&#8221; ― Thomas Paine</p>
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		<title>By: Secession Has a Downside &#171; Secession News Feed and Items of Interest</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/postright/2009/07/03/celebrate-secession/comment-page-1/#comment-469</link>
		<dc:creator>Secession Has a Downside &#171; Secession News Feed and Items of Interest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] policy that does nothing to keep us safe, and federal taxes that are sure to only go higher?” Read Full Article.       Comments [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Celebrate Secession &#171; Secession News Feed and Items of Interest</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/postright/2009/07/03/celebrate-secession/comment-page-1/#comment-467</link>
		<dc:creator>Celebrate Secession &#171; Secession News Feed and Items of Interest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] pm   This article by John Payne, originally posted July 3,  on the American Conservative Blog, Read Full Article.    Leave a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Celebrate Secession &#171; Secession News Feed and Items of Interest</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/postright/2009/07/03/celebrate-secession/comment-page-1/#comment-466</link>
		<dc:creator>Celebrate Secession &#171; Secession News Feed and Items of Interest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bill Miller @ 8:45 pm   This article by John Payne, posted on the American Conservative Blog, Read Full Article.    Leave a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Catcher Freeman</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/postright/2009/07/03/celebrate-secession/comment-page-1/#comment-437</link>
		<dc:creator>Catcher Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 05:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry, which part of being instrumental in electing George W. Bush into office twice qualifies the central tier of states to be anything like a limited constitutional republic?  I don&#039;t remember hearing many Texans or Oklahomans or other Midwesterners decrying dubya&#039;s repeated violations of every conceivable Constitutional principle and every American&#039;s freedoms when he was in office.  In fact, just about every Midwesterner I&#039;ve ever met was (and is) so in love with our proto-fascist-commie police state that they couldn&#039;t yell loud enough in support of it.  Maybe my knowledge of freedom is a little hazy, but limited constitutional republics aren&#039;t supposed to pass laws like the Patriot Act, are they?  This whole country spent eight years under a fascist Republican administration thanks in large part to #5, and now thanks to numbers 1-4, we will get to try out some full-blown communism for a change under the Obamanable one. 

This freeman says that the only valid government is a government of one, where my freedom to live my life as I choose is limited only by your own freedom to do the same.  The answer is not in governments and associations, but in allowing each individual to live freely without depriving others of their own freedom.  Has your #5, or any part of this country, for that matter, truly upheld this supposedly most basic belief of our nation, or have we just elected tyrant after tyrant to lord over us while whining about how horrible they are on the Internet if they&#039;re not on &quot;our&quot; team?

 Here&#039;s a thought...none of them are on &quot;our&quot; team.  In fact, they are all on the same team and we&#039;re the suckers paying for their game, which we will lose if we continue to hand our money and freedom over to these shysters while pretending that where we live is different and better than the state next door. Truth is, every state &amp; local government is playing ball with the feds to deprive us all of our rights, and no amount of secession short of the personal secession of every individual in this country will ever change that fact, though I guess smaller is always better where governments are concerned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry, which part of being instrumental in electing George W. Bush into office twice qualifies the central tier of states to be anything like a limited constitutional republic?  I don&#8217;t remember hearing many Texans or Oklahomans or other Midwesterners decrying dubya&#8217;s repeated violations of every conceivable Constitutional principle and every American&#8217;s freedoms when he was in office.  In fact, just about every Midwesterner I&#8217;ve ever met was (and is) so in love with our proto-fascist-commie police state that they couldn&#8217;t yell loud enough in support of it.  Maybe my knowledge of freedom is a little hazy, but limited constitutional republics aren&#8217;t supposed to pass laws like the Patriot Act, are they?  This whole country spent eight years under a fascist Republican administration thanks in large part to #5, and now thanks to numbers 1-4, we will get to try out some full-blown communism for a change under the Obamanable one. </p>
<p>This freeman says that the only valid government is a government of one, where my freedom to live my life as I choose is limited only by your own freedom to do the same.  The answer is not in governments and associations, but in allowing each individual to live freely without depriving others of their own freedom.  Has your #5, or any part of this country, for that matter, truly upheld this supposedly most basic belief of our nation, or have we just elected tyrant after tyrant to lord over us while whining about how horrible they are on the Internet if they&#8217;re not on &#8220;our&#8221; team?</p>
<p> Here&#8217;s a thought&#8230;none of them are on &#8220;our&#8221; team.  In fact, they are all on the same team and we&#8217;re the suckers paying for their game, which we will lose if we continue to hand our money and freedom over to these shysters while pretending that where we live is different and better than the state next door. Truth is, every state &amp; local government is playing ball with the feds to deprive us all of our rights, and no amount of secession short of the personal secession of every individual in this country will ever change that fact, though I guess smaller is always better where governments are concerned.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake Shoor</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/postright/2009/07/03/celebrate-secession/comment-page-1/#comment-417</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake Shoor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The post by JD Ricks both shows why secession would work for everybody&#039;s benefit and why the Liberal/Leftist Elites cannot allow any secession. If states seceded, people would naturally gravitate to states where they would feel at home. That would mean, for example, that today&#039;s &#039;blue states&#039; would become more &#039;blue&#039; while today&#039;s &#039;red states&#039; would become more &#039;red.&#039; 

Allowing red states to be traditional values Christian is something America&#039;s Liberal Elite can never risk. America&#039;s Liberal Elite will not rest until it crams abortion as sacrament and gay marriage, as well as race-based wealth redistribution and anti-Christian universalism, down everybody&#039;s throat. The $PLC, to name just one example, worships an increasingly Soviet style centralized tyranny in America because that is how it can wield authoritarian power in shadow.

A threat to third trimester abortion or public sodomy anywhere is a threat to third trimester abortion or public sodomy everywhere. Therefore, the only way to preserve the Liberal freedoms to practice third trimester abortion or public sodomy is to force everyone to accept both.

Force in the names of freedom and tolerance and diversity, naturally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The post by JD Ricks both shows why secession would work for everybody&#8217;s benefit and why the Liberal/Leftist Elites cannot allow any secession. If states seceded, people would naturally gravitate to states where they would feel at home. That would mean, for example, that today&#8217;s &#8216;blue states&#8217; would become more &#8216;blue&#8217; while today&#8217;s &#8216;red states&#8217; would become more &#8216;red.&#8217; </p>
<p>Allowing red states to be traditional values Christian is something America&#8217;s Liberal Elite can never risk. America&#8217;s Liberal Elite will not rest until it crams abortion as sacrament and gay marriage, as well as race-based wealth redistribution and anti-Christian universalism, down everybody&#8217;s throat. The $PLC, to name just one example, worships an increasingly Soviet style centralized tyranny in America because that is how it can wield authoritarian power in shadow.</p>
<p>A threat to third trimester abortion or public sodomy anywhere is a threat to third trimester abortion or public sodomy everywhere. Therefore, the only way to preserve the Liberal freedoms to practice third trimester abortion or public sodomy is to force everyone to accept both.</p>
<p>Force in the names of freedom and tolerance and diversity, naturally.</p>
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