Comments on: State and Society http://www.theamericanconservative.com/mccarthy/2010/02/01/state-and-society/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=state-and-society www.ToryAnarchist.com Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:59:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Thomas Molnar « Throne and Altar http://www.theamericanconservative.com/mccarthy/2010/02/01/state-and-society/comment-page-1/#comment-2146 Thomas Molnar « Throne and Altar Sun, 08 Aug 2010 16:46:37 +0000 http://www.amconmag.com/mccarthy/?p=1614#comment-2146 [...] The Liberal Hegemony: the Rise of Civil Society, which as just come to my attention through the Tory Anarchist weblog.  Molnar begins with the traditional division (found in many, many societies) between the [...] [...] The Liberal Hegemony: the Rise of Civil Society, which as just come to my attention through the Tory Anarchist weblog.  Molnar begins with the traditional division (found in many, many societies) between the [...]

]]> By: eep http://www.theamericanconservative.com/mccarthy/2010/02/01/state-and-society/comment-page-1/#comment-1853 eep Tue, 09 Feb 2010 09:28:55 +0000 http://www.amconmag.com/mccarthy/?p=1614#comment-1853 I think that humans are tribalistic in nature and civilizations fall because human nature runs against maintaining it. People are harmonious to their inner group as they define it but are hostile to outsiders. Our movies, sports, politics, and religion have us choosing loyality between tribes.Leaders creating unity through murder like Palin advocates. We aren't much different than packs of animals, seeking control of resources. The question is can technology lead us back to Eden. Where resources are plentiful and the desires of humans can be quenched without competition. I think unfortunately anarchno-capitalist are right that the State becomes a dishonest broker when it has dominion on coercion and it legally can steal from the people to fund the will of the plutocracy. Money is a reoccuring failure as it is slowly debased. The socialist are right that each human's wellbeing is important and should be a focus of a society that wants harmony. The State isn't going to bring about Eden. A growing population means less property and resources. We need to terraform Mars to have an outlet for human growth and a release valve for the desire for expansion.Reduce competition. Ideally a gift economy will come about as a result of technological innovation someday. People love to share when they have nothing to lose from it. Society needs to be arranged to naturally promote the altruistic side of humans and to take into account our fallen nature. I think that humans are tribalistic in nature and civilizations fall because human nature runs against maintaining it. People are harmonious to their inner group as they define it but are hostile to outsiders. Our movies, sports, politics, and religion have us choosing loyality between tribes.Leaders creating unity through murder like Palin advocates. We aren’t much different than packs of animals, seeking control of resources. The question is can technology lead us back to Eden. Where resources are plentiful and the desires of humans can be quenched without competition.

I think unfortunately anarchno-capitalist are right that the State becomes a dishonest broker when it has dominion on coercion and it legally can steal from the people to fund the will of the plutocracy. Money is a reoccuring failure as it is slowly debased. The socialist are right that each human’s wellbeing is important and should be a focus of a society that wants harmony. The State isn’t going to bring about Eden.

A growing population means less property and resources. We need to terraform Mars to have an outlet for human growth and a release valve for the desire for expansion.Reduce competition. Ideally a gift economy will come about as a result of technological innovation someday. People love to share when they have nothing to lose from it. Society needs to be arranged to naturally promote the altruistic side of humans and to take into account our fallen nature.

]]> By: D.Milam http://www.theamericanconservative.com/mccarthy/2010/02/01/state-and-society/comment-page-1/#comment-1831 D.Milam Thu, 04 Feb 2010 02:45:10 +0000 http://www.amconmag.com/mccarthy/?p=1614#comment-1831 Very interesting -- I can always turn to TAC for insightful commentary. Chomsky, it should be noted, has on several occasions in his writings made surprisingly favorable comments about conservatism. Cf. his Culture of Terrorism, for example. Very interesting — I can always turn to TAC for insightful commentary. Chomsky, it should be noted, has on several occasions in his writings made surprisingly favorable comments about conservatism. Cf. his Culture of Terrorism, for example.

]]> By: A Good Taxonomy | Front Porch Republic http://www.theamericanconservative.com/mccarthy/2010/02/01/state-and-society/comment-page-1/#comment-1826 A Good Taxonomy | Front Porch Republic Tue, 02 Feb 2010 18:58:10 +0000 http://www.amconmag.com/mccarthy/?p=1614#comment-1826 [...] helpful, taxonomy of the variant understandings of the relationship between state and society by Daniel McCarthy.  Dan’s categories help deliniate some of the divisions here on The Porch as well.  For [...] [...] helpful, taxonomy of the variant understandings of the relationship between state and society by Daniel McCarthy.  Dan’s categories help deliniate some of the divisions here on The Porch as well.  For [...]

]]>