Comments on: Whose Divisions Are Worse? http://www.theamericanconservative.com/mccarthy/2009/11/05/whose-divisions-are-worse/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=whose-divisions-are-worse www.ToryAnarchist.com Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:59:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: The American Conservative » Division Bell http://www.theamericanconservative.com/mccarthy/2009/11/05/whose-divisions-are-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-1836 The American Conservative » Division Bell Fri, 05 Feb 2010 23:44:49 +0000 http://www.amconmag.com/mccarthy/?p=1478#comment-1836 [...] have been posts on amconmag.com about the divisions in the major parties, particularly the GOP. There’s an old saying that you can’t tell [...] [...] have been posts on amconmag.com about the divisions in the major parties, particularly the GOP. There’s an old saying that you can’t tell [...]

]]> By: Conservative Inc. | Republicans United. http://www.theamericanconservative.com/mccarthy/2009/11/05/whose-divisions-are-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-1736 Conservative Inc. | Republicans United. Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:31:20 +0000 http://www.amconmag.com/mccarthy/?p=1478#comment-1736 [...] have been posts on amconmag.com about the divisions in the major parties, particularly the GOP. There’s an old saying that you can’t tell [...] [...] have been posts on amconmag.com about the divisions in the major parties, particularly the GOP. There’s an old saying that you can’t tell [...]

]]> By: Thomas O. Meehan http://www.theamericanconservative.com/mccarthy/2009/11/05/whose-divisions-are-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-1733 Thomas O. Meehan Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:19:39 +0000 http://www.amconmag.com/mccarthy/?p=1478#comment-1733 Thomas, It's true that the GOP has it's hand in the game to get what they want. My point is that the GOP as greedy as it is, is more vested in exploiting graft and overspending than in expanding the graft to ever wider constituencies. They tend to advance the interests of big players who are already established. One exception to this was Bush's idiotic desire to attract Hispanic voters with no down payment mortgages. Thomas, It’s true that the GOP has it’s hand in the game to get what they want. My point is that the GOP as greedy as it is, is more vested in exploiting graft and overspending than in expanding the graft to ever wider constituencies. They tend to advance the interests of big players who are already established. One exception to this was Bush’s idiotic desire to attract Hispanic voters with no down payment mortgages.

]]> By: Thomas http://www.theamericanconservative.com/mccarthy/2009/11/05/whose-divisions-are-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-1732 Thomas Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:21:04 +0000 http://www.amconmag.com/mccarthy/?p=1478#comment-1732 I think the diversity of interests represented by the Dems is a strength at the Congressional level, certainly, but a weakness at the presidential level, where in most all election cycles they bleed more dissidents to the GOP (and lose the Independents) than vice versa. And, T.O.M, the GOP uses govt power to mold society via their own spending priorities (esp. military/war). Let us not pretend that political parties formed to gain govt power are not interested in using it. I think the diversity of interests represented by the Dems is a strength at the Congressional level, certainly, but a weakness at the presidential level, where in most all election cycles they bleed more dissidents to the GOP (and lose the Independents) than vice versa.

And, T.O.M, the GOP uses govt power to mold society via their own spending priorities (esp. military/war). Let us not pretend that political parties formed to gain govt power are not interested in using it.

]]> By: Thomas O. Meehan http://www.theamericanconservative.com/mccarthy/2009/11/05/whose-divisions-are-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-1726 Thomas O. Meehan Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:00:30 +0000 http://www.amconmag.com/mccarthy/?p=1478#comment-1726 A very reasoned and accurate post. But I have to disagree with the following point. "The Democrats’ divisions are a source of their strength — that is, they realize that some districts require blue dog candidates, while others will accept staunch liberals." The heterogeneous nature of the Democrats is a source of strength, but it's more a byproduct of their nature than a successful tactic. I suggest that is not a tactic that the forces of the right can easily copy. What unites all Democrats is the belief that governmental power is their rightful tool in molding society to their own ends and gaining wealth and prestige. In short, they united solely by desire for personal gain from the public till. The are the party that wants our stuff. This being the case, they can afford a lot of internal devision as long as the goal is to get over on the rest of us, rather like Gypsies. Parties of the right on the other hand are cursed with the defensive position, always defending some version of what is, against what the Left promises. Such parties are chained to the realities of who the stakeholders are and how much they may be willing to do to keep their position. Furthermore the Right is peopled by factions that actually insist of some form of policy coherence. The lefts single minded goal of breaking our pinata and making off with the candy is not so burdened so long as democratic votes believe that they will get a share. A very reasoned and accurate post. But I have to disagree with the following point. “The Democrats’ divisions are a source of their strength — that is, they realize that some districts require blue dog candidates, while others will accept staunch liberals.” The heterogeneous nature of the Democrats is a source of strength, but it’s more a byproduct of their nature than a successful tactic. I suggest that is not a tactic that the forces of the right can easily copy.

What unites all Democrats is the belief that governmental power is their rightful tool in molding society to their own ends and gaining wealth and prestige. In short, they united solely by desire for personal gain from the public till. The are the party that wants our stuff. This being the case, they can afford a lot of internal devision as long as the goal is to get over on the rest of us, rather like Gypsies.

Parties of the right on the other hand are cursed with the defensive position, always defending some version of what is, against what the Left promises. Such parties are chained to the realities of who the stakeholders are and how much they may be willing to do to keep their position. Furthermore the Right is peopled by factions that actually insist of some form of policy coherence. The lefts single minded goal of breaking our pinata and making off with the candy is not so burdened so long as democratic votes believe that they will get a share.

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