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	<title>Comments on: The GOP&#8217;s Generational Time Bomb</title>
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		<title>By: Daniel McCarthy</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/mccarthy/2009/10/29/the-gops-generational-time-bomb/comment-page-1/#comment-1721</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel McCarthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except that&#039;s not true -- the hippies may have been radicals, but most young people in the Vietnam era were not hippies. There were New Left radicals who became Reaganites, including some famous neoconservatives. But that generation as a whole was less left-wing than its most colorful representatives would lead you to think.  In fact, that was the problem for the Democrats: after 1972, the popular image of the Democratic Party had been pushed farther to the social left than most Truman-, Kennedy-, or Johnson-style Democrats could tolerate. Thus even many &quot;moderate&quot; liberals in the Vietnam generation could wind up voting for Nixon or Reagan. 

If the Vietnam example tells us anything, it&#039;s that young voters who are now Obama-ites could turn right if the Democratic Party lurches to the left of Obama, but I don&#039;t see that happening. They probably will get more conservative in some respects as they get older, but Pew studies suggest that voting patterns don&#039;t shift too easily as people age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except that&#8217;s not true &#8212; the hippies may have been radicals, but most young people in the Vietnam era were not hippies. There were New Left radicals who became Reaganites, including some famous neoconservatives. But that generation as a whole was less left-wing than its most colorful representatives would lead you to think.  In fact, that was the problem for the Democrats: after 1972, the popular image of the Democratic Party had been pushed farther to the social left than most Truman-, Kennedy-, or Johnson-style Democrats could tolerate. Thus even many &#8220;moderate&#8221; liberals in the Vietnam generation could wind up voting for Nixon or Reagan. </p>
<p>If the Vietnam example tells us anything, it&#8217;s that young voters who are now Obama-ites could turn right if the Democratic Party lurches to the left of Obama, but I don&#8217;t see that happening. They probably will get more conservative in some respects as they get older, but Pew studies suggest that voting patterns don&#8217;t shift too easily as people age.</p>
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		<title>By: KEVIN</title>
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		<dc:creator>KEVIN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 03:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>REMEMBER, THE HIPPIE GENERATION WAS ALL LIBERAL DEMOCRATS AS WELL. WHEN THEY GREW UP THEY ALL BECAME REPUBLICANS AND VOTED FOR REAGAN, BUSH &amp; BUSH. CAN YOU THINK OF ANYONE WHO HAS THE SAME OUTLOOK ON ANYTHING WHEN THEY ARE 30 THAT THEY HAD WHEN THEY WERE TEENS. THE ANSWER IS NO. THIS IS ACTUALLY GREAT NEWS FOR THE REPUBLICANS UNLESS TEENAGERS ACTUALLY ARE BORN KNOWING EVERYTHING NOWADAYS AND GROWN UPS KNOW NOTHING.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>REMEMBER, THE HIPPIE GENERATION WAS ALL LIBERAL DEMOCRATS AS WELL. WHEN THEY GREW UP THEY ALL BECAME REPUBLICANS AND VOTED FOR REAGAN, BUSH &amp; BUSH. CAN YOU THINK OF ANYONE WHO HAS THE SAME OUTLOOK ON ANYTHING WHEN THEY ARE 30 THAT THEY HAD WHEN THEY WERE TEENS. THE ANSWER IS NO. THIS IS ACTUALLY GREAT NEWS FOR THE REPUBLICANS UNLESS TEENAGERS ACTUALLY ARE BORN KNOWING EVERYTHING NOWADAYS AND GROWN UPS KNOW NOTHING.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Berthiaume</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle Berthiaume</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 15:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Michael Hardesty, on October 30th, 2009 at 9:47 am Said:

... No one has a right to be born and no one has a right to reside inside the body of another against that person’s consent. ...&quot;

I disagree with Micheal&#039;s statement.  The Law of Action and Reaction contradicts it (known also as the Law of Consequence).  If a woman knowing performs actions for which the consequence is pregnancy, then she has given her consent and that child has a right to be born.  In cases of non-consent such as rape and incest, or in a case where the life of the mother would be a required sacrifice to birth the baby (that is to say, she would die), the rights of the baby do not preempt the rights of the mother.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Michael Hardesty, on October 30th, 2009 at 9:47 am Said:</p>
<p>&#8230; No one has a right to be born and no one has a right to reside inside the body of another against that person’s consent. &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I disagree with Micheal&#8217;s statement.  The Law of Action and Reaction contradicts it (known also as the Law of Consequence).  If a woman knowing performs actions for which the consequence is pregnancy, then she has given her consent and that child has a right to be born.  In cases of non-consent such as rape and incest, or in a case where the life of the mother would be a required sacrifice to birth the baby (that is to say, she would die), the rights of the baby do not preempt the rights of the mother.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an officer of a large Young Americans for Liberty chapter in the Midwest.  I can tell you already that we will be bigger than College Republicans by the end of this school year.  The GOP has lost all credibility on fiscal conservatism and most young people understand the wars we are fighting now are big quagmires and hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians have died.  We do more events than College Republicans, we sign more people up, we are more active, we understand the issues very well, and we talk about issues like monetary policy that the entrenched GOP establish won&#039;t touch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an officer of a large Young Americans for Liberty chapter in the Midwest.  I can tell you already that we will be bigger than College Republicans by the end of this school year.  The GOP has lost all credibility on fiscal conservatism and most young people understand the wars we are fighting now are big quagmires and hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians have died.  We do more events than College Republicans, we sign more people up, we are more active, we understand the issues very well, and we talk about issues like monetary policy that the entrenched GOP establish won&#8217;t touch.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 02:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Michael 

Of course Murray Rothbard, Mr. libertarian himself, feels the Federal Government, and especially, the Supreme court, has no right to enforce legalization of abortion. 

Go to http://mises.org/rothbard/ethics.pdf the ebook of Ethics of Liberty, page 38:

&quot;Thus, while in favor of a woman&#039;s
right to have an abortion, Rothbard was nonetheless strictly opposed to the
U.S. Supreme Court&#039;s decision in Roe v. Wade, which recognized such a right.
This was not because he believed the court&#039;s finding concerning the legality
of abortion wrong, but on the more fundamental ground that the US.
Supreme Court had no jurisdiction in the matter and that, by assuming
it, the court had engendered a systematic centralization of state power.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Michael </p>
<p>Of course Murray Rothbard, Mr. libertarian himself, feels the Federal Government, and especially, the Supreme court, has no right to enforce legalization of abortion. </p>
<p>Go to <a href="http://mises.org/rothbard/ethics.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://mises.org/rothbard/ethics.pdf</a> the ebook of Ethics of Liberty, page 38:</p>
<p>&#8220;Thus, while in favor of a woman&#8217;s<br />
right to have an abortion, Rothbard was nonetheless strictly opposed to the<br />
U.S. Supreme Court&#8217;s decision in Roe v. Wade, which recognized such a right.<br />
This was not because he believed the court&#8217;s finding concerning the legality<br />
of abortion wrong, but on the more fundamental ground that the US.<br />
Supreme Court had no jurisdiction in the matter and that, by assuming<br />
it, the court had engendered a systematic centralization of state power.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Hardesty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Hardesty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most real libertarians do not agree that Roe v. Wade should be overturned and sent back to the states, 40 of whom would outlaw abortion. Most libertarians believe that it is solely up to the pregnant woman whether she wants to carry to term or not. No one has a right to be born and no one has a right to reside inside the body of another against that person&#039;s consent. The real libertarian position on abortion was stated in The Ethics Of Liberty by Murray Rothbard. Force in this or any area is the opposite of reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most real libertarians do not agree that Roe v. Wade should be overturned and sent back to the states, 40 of whom would outlaw abortion. Most libertarians believe that it is solely up to the pregnant woman whether she wants to carry to term or not. No one has a right to be born and no one has a right to reside inside the body of another against that person&#8217;s consent. The real libertarian position on abortion was stated in The Ethics Of Liberty by Murray Rothbard. Force in this or any area is the opposite of reason.</p>
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		<title>By: steve risher</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve risher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An environment has to be created that allows new parties to develop. 
Target one or more states with initiative and referendum and aim to get either STV (e.g.Ireland) or party-list PR (e.g. Israel and Netherlands) adopted for election of one house of the state legislature. 

Also, runoffs should be required for statewide general elections when no one gets a majority in the first round. 
http://rangevoting.org/HonestRunoff.html
(...)
21-23 of the delayed runoff countries listed above have multiparties.
(...)

And easy ballot access, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An environment has to be created that allows new parties to develop.<br />
Target one or more states with initiative and referendum and aim to get either STV (e.g.Ireland) or party-list PR (e.g. Israel and Netherlands) adopted for election of one house of the state legislature. </p>
<p>Also, runoffs should be required for statewide general elections when no one gets a majority in the first round.<br />
<a href="http://rangevoting.org/HonestRunoff.html" rel="nofollow">http://rangevoting.org/HonestRunoff.html</a><br />
(&#8230;)<br />
21-23 of the delayed runoff countries listed above have multiparties.<br />
(&#8230;)</p>
<p>And easy ballot access, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Angela</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think McCarthy has it exactly right.  The party leaders won&#039;t even admit that there was anything wrong with the Bush years, and the GOP seems to developing a new wing that wants to act in both as both fiscal and social conservatives but yet continue to embrace the ethically and economically expensive politics of American exceptionalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think McCarthy has it exactly right.  The party leaders won&#8217;t even admit that there was anything wrong with the Bush years, and the GOP seems to developing a new wing that wants to act in both as both fiscal and social conservatives but yet continue to embrace the ethically and economically expensive politics of American exceptionalism.</p>
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		<title>By: Integr8d</title>
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		<dc:creator>Integr8d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 03:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lol&#039;ing at the Republicans and Democrats that still believe there is a difference between their parties. 

None of them see that no matter who is in power, the nation&#039;s direction goes the same way. Gay rights? Abortion? Forcing people into buying private health insurance as &#039;health care reform&#039;? (So hilarious). Nothing more than carrots to keep the masses trotting along.

Wakey wakey:) Almost time for your corporate news feeding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lol&#8217;ing at the Republicans and Democrats that still believe there is a difference between their parties. </p>
<p>None of them see that no matter who is in power, the nation&#8217;s direction goes the same way. Gay rights? Abortion? Forcing people into buying private health insurance as &#8216;health care reform&#8217;? (So hilarious). Nothing more than carrots to keep the masses trotting along.</p>
<p>Wakey wakey:) Almost time for your corporate news feeding.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most conservative issues such as abortion, the majority of Libertarians agree Roe v. Wade should be overturned and the issue left to the states. A Federal ban on abortion is politically impossible anyhow. 

libertarians will never accept something like a federal ban on gay marriage, again, goes to the states. 

I am a die hard libertarian. libertarianism: individual and economic liberty, is incredibly compelling and the battle of ideas among youth can, in fact, be won, though it will be hard. 

But I can tell you for certain that appeals to religion will not work. It will have the opposite effect. Republicans must dial down the family values rhetoric, nobody wants to be preached too, and it they looks badly on us when they get caught cheating due to hypocrisy. 

You must also abandon desire for expansion of empire, we can&#039;t afford it. You also cannot speak of freedom and liberty while supporting the Patriot Act. 

I don&#039;t mean to be harsh, but I am speaking the truth. There is an incredibly large body of philosophical work defending natural rights by locke and others, and an equally large body of work by the classical liberal economics defending economic freedom. 

IF WE USE REASON ALONE, WE CAN WIN. 

It&#039;s do or die. If you want to defend against socialism, aggressive state-enforced secularism and state worship we must be consistent, and we must use reason alone. It has more force than anything else in the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most conservative issues such as abortion, the majority of Libertarians agree Roe v. Wade should be overturned and the issue left to the states. A Federal ban on abortion is politically impossible anyhow. </p>
<p>libertarians will never accept something like a federal ban on gay marriage, again, goes to the states. </p>
<p>I am a die hard libertarian. libertarianism: individual and economic liberty, is incredibly compelling and the battle of ideas among youth can, in fact, be won, though it will be hard. </p>
<p>But I can tell you for certain that appeals to religion will not work. It will have the opposite effect. Republicans must dial down the family values rhetoric, nobody wants to be preached too, and it they looks badly on us when they get caught cheating due to hypocrisy. </p>
<p>You must also abandon desire for expansion of empire, we can&#8217;t afford it. You also cannot speak of freedom and liberty while supporting the Patriot Act. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mean to be harsh, but I am speaking the truth. There is an incredibly large body of philosophical work defending natural rights by locke and others, and an equally large body of work by the classical liberal economics defending economic freedom. </p>
<p>IF WE USE REASON ALONE, WE CAN WIN. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s do or die. If you want to defend against socialism, aggressive state-enforced secularism and state worship we must be consistent, and we must use reason alone. It has more force than anything else in the world.</p>
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