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		<title>By: Scott Duncan</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/mccarthy/2009/08/03/believers-in-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-1574</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ideological conservatives who instill baseless fear, and smear adversaries with ignorant rants, harm the conservative cause. Conservatives are now labeled as &quot;Birthers &amp; Deathers&quot; (Palin&#039;s igorant death panel comment) who viciously attack Obama by yelling &quot;Natzi!&quot; The &quot;Birther&quot; movement was a dead issue that backfired just as the &quot;Death Panel&quot; will backfire. As the informed electorate should know, Obama&#039;s birth certificate had  been confirmed when he was sworn in as a Senator by former Vice President Dick Cheney, and when a &quot;certified&quot; copy of it was made available for all to see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ideological conservatives who instill baseless fear, and smear adversaries with ignorant rants, harm the conservative cause. Conservatives are now labeled as &#8220;Birthers &amp; Deathers&#8221; (Palin&#8217;s igorant death panel comment) who viciously attack Obama by yelling &#8220;Natzi!&#8221; The &#8220;Birther&#8221; movement was a dead issue that backfired just as the &#8220;Death Panel&#8221; will backfire. As the informed electorate should know, Obama&#8217;s birth certificate had  been confirmed when he was sworn in as a Senator by former Vice President Dick Cheney, and when a &#8220;certified&#8221; copy of it was made available for all to see.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Fraser</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/mccarthy/2009/08/03/believers-in-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-1567</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Fraser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 01:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have stated for some time now that the birth certificate issue – regardless of merit – acts as a smokescreen for the genuine legal question regarding Obama’s birth as a Great British citizen – a fact he openly admits is true. (The issue of whether Obama is currently a citizen/subject of Great Britain and/or other nations is the subject of a forthcoming report I will soon publish.)

- Whether Obama was not born in Hawaii is a conspiracy theory which would include the acquiescence of a long cast of characters.

- Whether a person who was a citizen of a foreign nation – at the time of his birth – can be President and Commander In Chief of the US armed forces is a legal question, not a conspiracy theory.

It’s been very convenient for Obama’s  protectors to throw the proverbial baby out with the bathwater by lumping this genuine legal question in with the conspiracy theory.  When my case was being litigated, virtually every main stream media source other than the Washington Times – where Tom Ramstack interviewed me and checked everything before publishing an accurate story – mentioned my case as a conspiracy theory concerning Obama’s BC despite all of my efforts to keep the issues separate.

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/08/13/major-cooks-pleadings-waived-obamas-british-birth-issue-so-judge-lazzaras-holding-is-technically-accurate/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have stated for some time now that the birth certificate issue – regardless of merit – acts as a smokescreen for the genuine legal question regarding Obama’s birth as a Great British citizen – a fact he openly admits is true. (The issue of whether Obama is currently a citizen/subject of Great Britain and/or other nations is the subject of a forthcoming report I will soon publish.)</p>
<p>- Whether Obama was not born in Hawaii is a conspiracy theory which would include the acquiescence of a long cast of characters.</p>
<p>- Whether a person who was a citizen of a foreign nation – at the time of his birth – can be President and Commander In Chief of the US armed forces is a legal question, not a conspiracy theory.</p>
<p>It’s been very convenient for Obama’s  protectors to throw the proverbial baby out with the bathwater by lumping this genuine legal question in with the conspiracy theory.  When my case was being litigated, virtually every main stream media source other than the Washington Times – where Tom Ramstack interviewed me and checked everything before publishing an accurate story – mentioned my case as a conspiracy theory concerning Obama’s BC despite all of my efforts to keep the issues separate.</p>
<p><a href="http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/08/13/major-cooks-pleadings-waived-obamas-british-birth-issue-so-judge-lazzaras-holding-is-technically-accurate/" rel="nofollow">http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/08/13/major-cooks-pleadings-waived-obamas-british-birth-issue-so-judge-lazzaras-holding-is-technically-accurate/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Doug Milam</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/mccarthy/2009/08/03/believers-in-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-1566</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Milam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post; the point that &quot;ideology efficiently turns skepticism into belief&quot; is quite true, I think. Those who demand a birth certificate for Constitutional reasons are picking and choosing what suits their prejudices, and non-racial at that. (It is too bad that one must often qualify this word). Pressed to support other clauses in the Constitution which counter their ideology, their cognitive machinery halts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post; the point that &#8220;ideology efficiently turns skepticism into belief&#8221; is quite true, I think. Those who demand a birth certificate for Constitutional reasons are picking and choosing what suits their prejudices, and non-racial at that. (It is too bad that one must often qualify this word). Pressed to support other clauses in the Constitution which counter their ideology, their cognitive machinery halts.</p>
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		<title>By: Mick Steers</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/mccarthy/2009/08/03/believers-in-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-1565</link>
		<dc:creator>Mick Steers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 02:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting View...

Just as interesting, all of the comments to-date deal with the &quot;birthers&quot; or the substance of their particular delusion, so I heartily agree with your point: 

&quot;Some number of people do, however, have a compelling need indeed to believe in improbable things that conform to ideological preferences.&quot;

My concern is this. How have our admittedly flawed media, and other institutions of civil society been so overwhelmed by the rants of those whose ideology and belief system has overtaken their reason? 

&quot;The way out of this cycle of paranoia would be to burnish some less flawed, more-or-less mainstream authorities — a church? disinterested scholarship? anything could do the trick.&quot;

I hope you&#039;re right, but I fear that too many dollars and political gains are cynically tied up in fostering, amplifying and exploiting fringe memes for this to stop of its own volition. What would happen at FOX, CNN and MSNBC if all they had were verifiable news stories and honest, informed comment? How would they fill the remaining 20 hours each day?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting View&#8230;</p>
<p>Just as interesting, all of the comments to-date deal with the &#8220;birthers&#8221; or the substance of their particular delusion, so I heartily agree with your point: </p>
<p>&#8220;Some number of people do, however, have a compelling need indeed to believe in improbable things that conform to ideological preferences.&#8221;</p>
<p>My concern is this. How have our admittedly flawed media, and other institutions of civil society been so overwhelmed by the rants of those whose ideology and belief system has overtaken their reason? </p>
<p>&#8220;The way out of this cycle of paranoia would be to burnish some less flawed, more-or-less mainstream authorities — a church? disinterested scholarship? anything could do the trick.&#8221;</p>
<p>I hope you&#8217;re right, but I fear that too many dollars and political gains are cynically tied up in fostering, amplifying and exploiting fringe memes for this to stop of its own volition. What would happen at FOX, CNN and MSNBC if all they had were verifiable news stories and honest, informed comment? How would they fill the remaining 20 hours each day?</p>
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		<title>By: O. O'Connell</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/mccarthy/2009/08/03/believers-in-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-1563</link>
		<dc:creator>O. O'Connell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 01:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He showed the Hawaiian State-issued certification of live birth - which is all anyone is allowed to request in his position, is it not? It&#039;s all that&#039;s required in a court of law for proof, is it not? Wasn&#039;t the so-called original, Ur-paperwork destroyed anyway, in the digitalisation of records? I&#039;ve been issued a birth cert twice - neither is more &quot;original&quot;, and I believe my &quot;original&quot; paperwork is not a cert but an entry in a book. 

Were I he, I&#039;d let these people make all the rope they want too. Politically, personally, he has absolutely nothing to lose from ignoring them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He showed the Hawaiian State-issued certification of live birth &#8211; which is all anyone is allowed to request in his position, is it not? It&#8217;s all that&#8217;s required in a court of law for proof, is it not? Wasn&#8217;t the so-called original, Ur-paperwork destroyed anyway, in the digitalisation of records? I&#8217;ve been issued a birth cert twice &#8211; neither is more &#8220;original&#8221;, and I believe my &#8220;original&#8221; paperwork is not a cert but an entry in a book. </p>
<p>Were I he, I&#8217;d let these people make all the rope they want too. Politically, personally, he has absolutely nothing to lose from ignoring them.</p>
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		<title>By: peter lafond</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/mccarthy/2009/08/03/believers-in-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-1561</link>
		<dc:creator>peter lafond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 15:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason President Obama is not showing you or me his birht certificate is HE DOES NOT HAVE TO! He was a seated senator swarn in by the  big dick himself Vice-President Richard Cheney. Now you have shades of people accusing Marshall of being a communist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason President Obama is not showing you or me his birht certificate is HE DOES NOT HAVE TO! He was a seated senator swarn in by the  big dick himself Vice-President Richard Cheney. Now you have shades of people accusing Marshall of being a communist.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Lahti</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/mccarthy/2009/08/03/believers-in-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-1559</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Lahti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 03:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Implicit in the discussion of the Birthers is the amusing democratic delusion that everyone with a complaint to make or a rumor to share deserves public acknowledgment and some kind of answer. Frankly, were I President Obama, I&#039;d not even politely acknowledge the existence of the Birthers, finding their imbecile concerns beneath my dignity not as President but as a grownup and a man who chooses what caliber of human being he will and will not engage in discussion. To the extent he also stonewalls the Birthers for political gain, and plays them for the colossal jackasses they are collectively and singly, down to the humblest among them, he has earns from this non-Obamaphile a residual measure of the respect due to shrewd operators in any low trade.

I&#039;ve dealt in like manner with questions from colleagues I did not wish to dignify, and found in the howls of wounded outrage, cold shoulders, and broken friendships resulting not side-effects but dividends, and fortification for my self-respect as a gentleman of honor. That, and enough belly laughs in private, and especially in public before my interrogators&#039; newly-murderous faces to ride out a year without cable. My residual regrets, from proverbial Monday hindsight, came in the form of wistful hopes foregone that I had failed to stonewall the creeps sooner, and not played the patrician quite so much in the attempted masking of my Olympian, almost otherworldy, even (thank you, Snagglespuss, that will be all, already), disdain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Implicit in the discussion of the Birthers is the amusing democratic delusion that everyone with a complaint to make or a rumor to share deserves public acknowledgment and some kind of answer. Frankly, were I President Obama, I&#8217;d not even politely acknowledge the existence of the Birthers, finding their imbecile concerns beneath my dignity not as President but as a grownup and a man who chooses what caliber of human being he will and will not engage in discussion. To the extent he also stonewalls the Birthers for political gain, and plays them for the colossal jackasses they are collectively and singly, down to the humblest among them, he has earns from this non-Obamaphile a residual measure of the respect due to shrewd operators in any low trade.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve dealt in like manner with questions from colleagues I did not wish to dignify, and found in the howls of wounded outrage, cold shoulders, and broken friendships resulting not side-effects but dividends, and fortification for my self-respect as a gentleman of honor. That, and enough belly laughs in private, and especially in public before my interrogators&#8217; newly-murderous faces to ride out a year without cable. My residual regrets, from proverbial Monday hindsight, came in the form of wistful hopes foregone that I had failed to stonewall the creeps sooner, and not played the patrician quite so much in the attempted masking of my Olympian, almost otherworldy, even (thank you, Snagglespuss, that will be all, already), disdain.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel McCarthy</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/mccarthy/2009/08/03/believers-in-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-1558</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel McCarthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 23:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who is this controversy hurting?  By choosing not to release the original of his birth certificate, Obama can keep this controversy going, distracting his critics from his policies, making them look foolish to ordinary Americans, and causing political damage to Republicans like Mike Castle who (terrible though he is) can actually win in blue states. Obama will keep this thing going as long as he can because it&#039;s only helping him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who is this controversy hurting?  By choosing not to release the original of his birth certificate, Obama can keep this controversy going, distracting his critics from his policies, making them look foolish to ordinary Americans, and causing political damage to Republicans like Mike Castle who (terrible though he is) can actually win in blue states. Obama will keep this thing going as long as he can because it&#8217;s only helping him.</p>
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		<title>By: Rocky Frisco</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/mccarthy/2009/08/03/believers-in-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-1557</link>
		<dc:creator>Rocky Frisco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 22:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One major aspect of the &quot;Birther&quot; controversy that is carefully not addressed in this article is why Obama is stonewalling. If there&#039;s nothing wrong with his documents, why not show them? If he&#039;s not hiding his citizenship status, what IS he hiding? He is obviously hiding something. What is so embarrassing in the documents that he allows the controversy to continue?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One major aspect of the &#8220;Birther&#8221; controversy that is carefully not addressed in this article is why Obama is stonewalling. If there&#8217;s nothing wrong with his documents, why not show them? If he&#8217;s not hiding his citizenship status, what IS he hiding? He is obviously hiding something. What is so embarrassing in the documents that he allows the controversy to continue?</p>
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		<title>By: August recess &#124; Conservative Heritage Times</title>
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		<dc:creator>August recess &#124; Conservative Heritage Times</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] McCarthy warns about the logical consequences of the &#8220;Birther&#8221; [...]</description>
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