Douthat and Anti-Jihadism (II)


Ross:

It’s also important to note that the ideological critique of Catholic immigration wasn’t necessarily crazy. The 19th-century Vatican really did have a very public problem with liberalism and democracy, and it wasn’t unreasonable for Protestant Americans to worry about Catholicism’s ability to conform itself to democratic pluralism. The parallel to the debate over Islam today should be obvious: It’s foolish and bigoted to suggest that Muslims can’t be good Americans, but it isn’t unreasonable to suggest that American Muslim leaders, like Catholic prelates before them, have a particular obligation to embrace the separation of church and state, to distance themselves from Islamist currents overseas — rather than, say, endorsing the basic premises of the Iranian theocracy [bold mine-DL] — and so on.

On the first point, a qualification needs to be made. The Vatican had a problem with liberalism and democracy in no small part because for most of the 19th century European liberals had an obsession with attacking the Catholic Church and trying to strip it of its influence and property. The original Kulturkampf was almost entirely an exercise in liberal and nationalist hostility to Catholic institutions and Catholicism as such. The fear of a Canossarepublik was the same fear that motivated a lot of anti-Catholic sentiment in the U.S. In other words, the fear in this country was not simply that Catholics could not be both faithful Catholics and good Americans, but that the nature of Catholicism was incompatible with Americanism (for lack of a better term here) and represented a threat to American independence. If this wasn’t exactly a crazy belief, it was unreasonable and false. Even so, it was a lot more plausible than the claims of Gingrich et al. that the Cordoba Initiative’s mosque represents a celebration of Islamic conquest and an assault on American civilization.

In Ross’ original column, he distinguishes between an America understood as a political and constitutional project and America as a distinctive culture. Obviously, I am far more sympathetic with this latter, “second America” for many reasons, but what I find remarkable about this mosque controversy is how blatantly, narrowly political the opposition to this particular construction project has been. It has been an exercise in manipulating public anger and using it for the purpose of waging an ostensibly anti-Islamist political campaign by organizing against harmless Muslims and their organizations. A distinctive American culture isn’t under threat from this mosque, the Cordoba Initiative or Imam Abdul Rauf. Rauf and those like him do represent a threat to lazy conservative anti-jihadism that treats every Muslim to “the right” of Ayaan Hirsi Ali as a potential fifth columnist and would-be enforcer of creeping shari’a.

Regarding Rauf’s comments on the Iranian election last year, Ross’ mischaracterization of them is significant. Ross claims that Rauf is endorsing the premises of Iranian theocracy, when what he was actually doing was appealing to the Obama administration to seize an opportunity for rapprochement with Iran. Agree or disagree with the proposal, the only thing Rauf seems to be endorsing in his comments is the idea of reconciliation between the United States and Iran, which appears to be broadly consistent with the goals of his organization.

This mischaracterization fits into Ross’ larger point that Muslim leaders in America must not say politically controversial things or express views outside the political mainstream. Presumably, instead of making this appeal to Obama, Rauf was supposed to jump on the bandwagon denouncing the Iranian government as illegitimate and dismiss the election result as a coup. That would have demonstrated his “moderate” status all right. Likewise, Rauf must not say that American policies were accessories to the crime on 9/11, because it is still not really appropriate for any “good American,” regardless of religion, to say that. Apparently, it doesn’t matter if the statement is true or even debatable. It isn’t enough if Muslims peacefully practice their religion, reject violence and embrace their new countries, but they must also become pro-government loyalists. Perhaps if Rauf really wanted to show how moderate he was, he would provide token support for the next U.S. attack on a Muslim country.

What we’re talking about here isn’t a question of assimilation to the norms of American culture or an acceptance of the principles of constitutional government, but a question of conforming to the limits of approved political discourse. Of course, there is no way for Rauf to satisfy his critics in a way that will not destroy his credibility with most other Muslims, which I have to assume is the point. Anti-jihadists are always lamenting that moderate Muslims are too quiescent, passive and silent, but the moment that one of them says anything that they don’t like they dismiss him entirely. Little wonder that many Muslims here and around the world find anti-jihadists’ professions of common cause with them hard to take seriously.

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3 Responses to “Douthat and Anti-Jihadism (II)”

  1. I agree. When it comes to the principles on which other governments are founded, we don’t need to, and we don’t have the right to, agree or disagree with them. The only thing Americans need to agree to is the words of Thomas Jefferson:

    … whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

    Jefferson didn’t insist on Jeffersonian, Hamiltonian, Parliamentary, or any other sort of democracy. All he insisted upon was the right of people to choose their own form of government. If the Iranians consent to a system based on Vilayet-i-faqih, it’s un-American in the most basic sense to denounce that and insist that they live under a form of government to which they do not consent.

  2. Welcome back Daniel, and great point, Steve.

    I actually read Ross’ post first and even clicked through to read Imam Rauf’s words. Using only 5 cent words, it seems to me the only two choices to describe Ross are stupid or evil. (And we know which team Ross is on for this one.)

    As for Iran, is it too much to ask that pundits don’t have a cow seeing “Islamic” and realize that “Republic” is also in the official name? It’s not the type of republic they would like to see, but deal with it. Seeing the Greens as a civil rights movement is still the best way to characterize them. You only have to know a tiny bit of American civil rights history to know that foreign support (in our case largely imagined) for the Greens will be used against them. So if you want to support them, call for counting the votes, not overthrowing the constitution.

    As for Ross’ topic, the dichotomy of assimilation vs. nativism confuses the issue to argue against his critics. The reality becomes more clear when you take assimilation in a neutral definition: “the merging of cultural traits from previously distinct cultural groups”. It doesn’t say that one culture’s traits dominate the others, or that both are equally present in the mixture. Only that cultural traits mix when cultures interact.

    Then the spectrum of assimilation preference runs from nativism (keep them out of our country, they don’t have the same rights as we do, etc.) to Americanization (stay, but adopt our ways and drop yours) to multi-culturalism (they have a right to keep their culture, within generally accepted norms) to moral relativism (we have no right to ask them to change). I think you can unweave Ross’ examples with this framework to make more sense of the issue.

    I’m writing my own posts about “us” vs “them”. Click on my name if you care to read any.

  3. I don’t think that even if they became raving neo-cons, muslims in the US would get the ordinary tolerance from the political piranha when they smell the slightest opportunity.

    They must undergo collective punishment and penance for a generation for the acts of two dozen and probably will do so for a generation, so it doesn’t matter. Mosque? NIMBY! even if “my back yard” is thousands of square miles of federal land out west.

    I’ve also noted there would be almost no controversy if an abortion clinic were to open at Ground Zero to daily continue the destruction of innocent life. Those who spend extraordinary effort to find some new way to criticize muslims become totally silent.

    In response to Buchanan’s latest, I noted the pedophile priest scandal – I’m waiting for someone to say you can’t build a church next to a school or daycare and wait for someone, after all the pleas to reason, imply “but it’s not like building a Mosque near ground zero”.

    It is precisely that. The fear, hatred, and anger which are all irrational either should be allowed or should be prohibited from overcoming reason, but more importantly the law. After the “long hot summer” of 1967 where cities burned, it would actually have been rational not to want “one of them” moving next door.

    As to “catholic immigration”, at the time “public schools” were all protestant, so catholics were taxed so their children could hear how the pope was the false prophet or antichrist and their church was the whore of babylon. And the protestants had a lot of “progressive” ideas which weren’t constitutional though we were on the slippery slope, and they might have been thwarted. A small and remote government that I oppose 90% gives more more liberty than one which is invasive and intrusive even if I agree with 90% of the goals.

    A group of immigrants that practices family values – permanent marriage, faith, Morals!, large families – is perhaps the biggest threat which there can be to the “progressive” materialism as practiced by both parties.

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