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		<title>By: JBraunstein</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2010/02/09/another-pathetic-denunciation/comment-page-1/#comment-35303</link>
		<dc:creator>JBraunstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Young Geezer

You&#039;re unfortunately right about how, over time, the accusation seems to overpower virtually everything else in a person&#039;s legacy of work.

I was once having a conversation with a liberal friend of mine, and I brought up a reference to H.L. Mencken in making a point about the inadequacy of democracy or some such.  He immediately interjected &quot;Wasn&#039;t he some Nazi sympathizer / Anti-Semite?&quot;

Boom.  Done.  I sat there stunned that now, in order to raise awareness of Mencken&#039;s superb observations and insights, I first had to somehow neutralize the perception that he was a monster.  Very depressing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Young Geezer</p>
<p>You&#8217;re unfortunately right about how, over time, the accusation seems to overpower virtually everything else in a person&#8217;s legacy of work.</p>
<p>I was once having a conversation with a liberal friend of mine, and I brought up a reference to H.L. Mencken in making a point about the inadequacy of democracy or some such.  He immediately interjected &#8220;Wasn&#8217;t he some Nazi sympathizer / Anti-Semite?&#8221;</p>
<p>Boom.  Done.  I sat there stunned that now, in order to raise awareness of Mencken&#8217;s superb observations and insights, I first had to somehow neutralize the perception that he was a monster.  Very depressing.</p>
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		<title>By: kadzimiel</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2010/02/09/another-pathetic-denunciation/comment-page-1/#comment-35301</link>
		<dc:creator>kadzimiel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hard to take any willing colleague of the rabid and racist Marty Peretz seriously on the subject of Israel. Peretz has done enormous harm to TNR, as well as to Israel and the USA. If anyone actually followed through in his views, we would see the Middle East in flames, and the USA would pay a bitter price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard to take any willing colleague of the rabid and racist Marty Peretz seriously on the subject of Israel. Peretz has done enormous harm to TNR, as well as to Israel and the USA. If anyone actually followed through in his views, we would see the Middle East in flames, and the USA would pay a bitter price.</p>
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		<title>By: Young Geezer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Young Geezer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 03:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good posts, all.

@JBraunstein: &quot;...while simultaneously increasing real animus towards Jews borne from the resentment of this extortionist tactic.&quot;

You think so?  I think most people appreciate that neo-connery isn&#039;t representative of American Jewish opinion.  Almost the opposite, even.

What really stings is, in a few years when this stuff fades away, someone will say &quot;Andrew Sullivan used to say...&quot; and his friend will stop him and say, &quot;wasn&#039;t that guy anti-Semitic?&quot;  And the whiff of that will stop most people from continuing.  It&#039;s Sullivan&#039;s FUTURE reputation that is effected most, not his current one (where everyone obviously can see through this charade).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good posts, all.</p>
<p>@JBraunstein: &#8220;&#8230;while simultaneously increasing real animus towards Jews borne from the resentment of this extortionist tactic.&#8221;</p>
<p>You think so?  I think most people appreciate that neo-connery isn&#8217;t representative of American Jewish opinion.  Almost the opposite, even.</p>
<p>What really stings is, in a few years when this stuff fades away, someone will say &#8220;Andrew Sullivan used to say&#8230;&#8221; and his friend will stop him and say, &#8220;wasn&#8217;t that guy anti-Semitic?&#8221;  And the whiff of that will stop most people from continuing.  It&#8217;s Sullivan&#8217;s FUTURE reputation that is effected most, not his current one (where everyone obviously can see through this charade).</p>
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		<title>By: JBraunstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>JBraunstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m Jewish and I&#039;m sick of other Jews using the anti-Semitism card like a bludgeon to intimidate people making arguments in good faith that they merely happen to disagree with, however strongly. Like minorities pulling the racism card, it makes people scared and resentful of the power a small group of people have to impugn, even permanently damage anybody&#039;s integrity, character, reputation and moral standing--with a casual, curt accusation. 

It&#039;s reach is inescapable; If you say anything, express any opinion that could also hypothetically intersect somehow with the opinions of someone who is actually anti-semitic, no matter how coincidental or non-convergent, you lose the benefit of the doubt.  &quot;Hamas also thinks the sky is blue...Anti-Semite!&quot;

The very label is poison, it&#039;s effect on social relationships like a disgusting venereal disease everybody knows about.  Confronting the abusers of the term on their callousness and dishonesty is, in itself, cause to have the label thrust upon you.

The sad irony is that a small cadre of vindictive and paranoid Jews have managed to both diminish the meaning of the accusation by diluting it to an absurd degree, while simultaneously increasing real animus towards Jews borne from the resentment of this extortionist tactic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m Jewish and I&#8217;m sick of other Jews using the anti-Semitism card like a bludgeon to intimidate people making arguments in good faith that they merely happen to disagree with, however strongly. Like minorities pulling the racism card, it makes people scared and resentful of the power a small group of people have to impugn, even permanently damage anybody&#8217;s integrity, character, reputation and moral standing&#8211;with a casual, curt accusation. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s reach is inescapable; If you say anything, express any opinion that could also hypothetically intersect somehow with the opinions of someone who is actually anti-semitic, no matter how coincidental or non-convergent, you lose the benefit of the doubt.  &#8220;Hamas also thinks the sky is blue&#8230;Anti-Semite!&#8221;</p>
<p>The very label is poison, it&#8217;s effect on social relationships like a disgusting venereal disease everybody knows about.  Confronting the abusers of the term on their callousness and dishonesty is, in itself, cause to have the label thrust upon you.</p>
<p>The sad irony is that a small cadre of vindictive and paranoid Jews have managed to both diminish the meaning of the accusation by diluting it to an absurd degree, while simultaneously increasing real animus towards Jews borne from the resentment of this extortionist tactic.</p>
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		<title>By: nrmurra</title>
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		<dc:creator>nrmurra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Andrew Sullivan is really a practictioner of vitriol and insinuation, as his former TNR colleague suggests, then we now know from whose masterly hand he learned his trade. 

Ridicuously, Leon accuses Sullivan of dividing Jews into good and bad categories, a practice with a dark and sordid history, as he loftily reminds us. Okay. Should we consider Jews as a mass collectivity? That seems anti-semitic. Well, how else are we supposed to divide them? Are Jews uniformly good? That seems improbable. Are they uniformly bad? That seems improbable and prejudicial to boot. Well, what then? Should we just decline to level any moral judgement on their opinions at all? That seems relativistic, quite untrue to the righteous and missionary tone of his magazine. Incidentally, the style of sterile argumentation is not one typically associated with Leon Wieseltier. For good reason. 

To have political convictions is to make a moral statement. Effectively, you are stating that people who hold views wildly different from yours are deeply mistaken or, perhaps, even morally obtuse. This is what makes them convictions. Unsuprisingly, members of other groups are going to divide themselves accordingly: some will agree with you, some not so much. How can any person find this even remotely controversial? I guess only if they are the type of person who reads bigotry in the use of the word &quot;wings&quot;. What, does Leon think Andrew is comparing Jews to a predatory fowl? 

I could go on, but whats the point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Andrew Sullivan is really a practictioner of vitriol and insinuation, as his former TNR colleague suggests, then we now know from whose masterly hand he learned his trade. </p>
<p>Ridicuously, Leon accuses Sullivan of dividing Jews into good and bad categories, a practice with a dark and sordid history, as he loftily reminds us. Okay. Should we consider Jews as a mass collectivity? That seems anti-semitic. Well, how else are we supposed to divide them? Are Jews uniformly good? That seems improbable. Are they uniformly bad? That seems improbable and prejudicial to boot. Well, what then? Should we just decline to level any moral judgement on their opinions at all? That seems relativistic, quite untrue to the righteous and missionary tone of his magazine. Incidentally, the style of sterile argumentation is not one typically associated with Leon Wieseltier. For good reason. </p>
<p>To have political convictions is to make a moral statement. Effectively, you are stating that people who hold views wildly different from yours are deeply mistaken or, perhaps, even morally obtuse. This is what makes them convictions. Unsuprisingly, members of other groups are going to divide themselves accordingly: some will agree with you, some not so much. How can any person find this even remotely controversial? I guess only if they are the type of person who reads bigotry in the use of the word &#8220;wings&#8221;. What, does Leon think Andrew is comparing Jews to a predatory fowl? </p>
<p>I could go on, but whats the point.</p>
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		<title>By: Grumpy Old Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grumpy Old Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Wieseltier piece is a bit on the pretentiously turgid side. The trope it employs is  nevertheless familiar, equating criticism of Israel and its supporters with antisemitism; one can&#039;t tell if Wiesltier is sincere, or simply taking refuge in a familiar accusation. Wieseltier, meanwhile, feels free to attack the core beliefs of most Christians, but would probably take offense if one called him anti-Christian.   

The neoconservatism that the likes of Krauthammer and Goldfarb espouse is an inverted Trotskyism. As Jacob Heilbrunn shows, it emerged from a largely Jewish milieu, though most American Jews aren&#039;t buying.  

American Jews today are part of the academic, business and political élites, in disproportion to their numbers. Like every other group (Southerners, Catholics, etc.), they often (though not always) bring certain baggage with them. It&#039;s time to grow up and discuss such matters without exaggerated hostility or sensitivity.  A grown-up discussion would require the defenders neoconnery and Israeli policy to get to merits. Alas, it&#039;s far easier just to mutter &quot;1938&quot; and view with alarm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Wieseltier piece is a bit on the pretentiously turgid side. The trope it employs is  nevertheless familiar, equating criticism of Israel and its supporters with antisemitism; one can&#8217;t tell if Wiesltier is sincere, or simply taking refuge in a familiar accusation. Wieseltier, meanwhile, feels free to attack the core beliefs of most Christians, but would probably take offense if one called him anti-Christian.   </p>
<p>The neoconservatism that the likes of Krauthammer and Goldfarb espouse is an inverted Trotskyism. As Jacob Heilbrunn shows, it emerged from a largely Jewish milieu, though most American Jews aren&#8217;t buying.  </p>
<p>American Jews today are part of the academic, business and political élites, in disproportion to their numbers. Like every other group (Southerners, Catholics, etc.), they often (though not always) bring certain baggage with them. It&#8217;s time to grow up and discuss such matters without exaggerated hostility or sensitivity.  A grown-up discussion would require the defenders neoconnery and Israeli policy to get to merits. Alas, it&#8217;s far easier just to mutter &#8220;1938&#8243; and view with alarm.</p>
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