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	<title>Comments on: Blair&#8217;s Monstrous Consistency</title>
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		<title>By: David Tomlin</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2010/01/30/blairs-monstrous-consistency/comment-page-1/#comment-35128</link>
		<dc:creator>David Tomlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forensic teams from various countries went in right after the NATO forces, counting bodies and exhuming mass graves (defined as any grave with more than one body). Within months it was clear that the death toll was a fraction of that claimed by the KLA, and repeated uncritically by the Clinton administration and the media. 

In one case a disused mine allegedly used to dispose of bodies was examined, and no bodies nor any trace of decomposition fluids was found.

The Kosovo &#039;genocide&#039; was as thoroughly debunked as the Iraqi WMD, but, as Larison noted, by then media interest had moved on.

If anyone wants sourcing, Google is your friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forensic teams from various countries went in right after the NATO forces, counting bodies and exhuming mass graves (defined as any grave with more than one body). Within months it was clear that the death toll was a fraction of that claimed by the KLA, and repeated uncritically by the Clinton administration and the media. </p>
<p>In one case a disused mine allegedly used to dispose of bodies was examined, and no bodies nor any trace of decomposition fluids was found.</p>
<p>The Kosovo &#8216;genocide&#8217; was as thoroughly debunked as the Iraqi WMD, but, as Larison noted, by then media interest had moved on.</p>
<p>If anyone wants sourcing, Google is your friend.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Larison</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2010/01/30/blairs-monstrous-consistency/comment-page-1/#comment-35127</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Larison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;massacre&quot; at Racak was a key part of Clinton&#039;s justification for intervening.  The massacre was staged by the KLA.  It never happened. There is no evidence that there was a systematic or extensive policy of ethnic cleansing in the works.  The Serbs had been fighting a low-level counterinsurgency against a rather nasty gang of criminals for a year, and that was it.  The administration had even labeled the KLA a terrorist group the year before it took their side, because this is what it was.  

Clinton portrayed intervention as something he did grudgingly to halt genocide, but there was no genocide to halt.  He had given the Serbs an ultimatum to let NATO have the run of their country, and like any self-respecting state they refused.  Then the bombing began shortly afterwards.  If you have never heard arguments that bombing Serbia was illegal until the last year, I submit that you haven&#039;t followed the discussion about it very closely.

As for the remark about being a disaster for the people it was supposed to help, I was referring to massive refugee crisis that the war created as hundreds of thousands of Albanians were driven out of Kosovo by a combination of the air campaign and Serbian military units.  The mass expulsions that the campaign was designed to prevent were the very things that the campaign hastened and facilitated.  Soon thereafter, the Albanians returned to Kosovo, but I would call the effort a pretty dramatic failure if the goal was to prevent the mass expulsion of Albanians.  

What bombing Serbia achieved was to detach part of its own territory by force and establish a de facto partition that Western powers then formalized with their recognition of Kosovo&#039;s unilateral declaration of independence in early 2008.  That in turn contributed to the escalating conflict between Russia and Georgia, as Russia aimed to exact some revenge on one of our satellites for what we had done to one of theirs.  All in all, Western policy on Kosovo has been appalling, and it has created a horrible precedent for the future.  Of course, it was precisely that precedent that Russia exploited in the 2008 war with Georgia.

Serbia was penalized for attempting to suppress a separatist rebellion inside its own borders.  It was a purely internal affair, and no state or alliance of states had any right, legal or otherwise, to launch military strikes against Serbia.  It was never sanctioned by the Security Council in any way, and the war violated both the U.N. Charter and had no authorization under the North Atlantic Treaty.  In addition, the President had no constitutional authority to wage war against Serbia, but why get hung up on technicalities like that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;massacre&#8221; at Racak was a key part of Clinton&#8217;s justification for intervening.  The massacre was staged by the KLA.  It never happened. There is no evidence that there was a systematic or extensive policy of ethnic cleansing in the works.  The Serbs had been fighting a low-level counterinsurgency against a rather nasty gang of criminals for a year, and that was it.  The administration had even labeled the KLA a terrorist group the year before it took their side, because this is what it was.  </p>
<p>Clinton portrayed intervention as something he did grudgingly to halt genocide, but there was no genocide to halt.  He had given the Serbs an ultimatum to let NATO have the run of their country, and like any self-respecting state they refused.  Then the bombing began shortly afterwards.  If you have never heard arguments that bombing Serbia was illegal until the last year, I submit that you haven&#8217;t followed the discussion about it very closely.</p>
<p>As for the remark about being a disaster for the people it was supposed to help, I was referring to massive refugee crisis that the war created as hundreds of thousands of Albanians were driven out of Kosovo by a combination of the air campaign and Serbian military units.  The mass expulsions that the campaign was designed to prevent were the very things that the campaign hastened and facilitated.  Soon thereafter, the Albanians returned to Kosovo, but I would call the effort a pretty dramatic failure if the goal was to prevent the mass expulsion of Albanians.  </p>
<p>What bombing Serbia achieved was to detach part of its own territory by force and establish a de facto partition that Western powers then formalized with their recognition of Kosovo&#8217;s unilateral declaration of independence in early 2008.  That in turn contributed to the escalating conflict between Russia and Georgia, as Russia aimed to exact some revenge on one of our satellites for what we had done to one of theirs.  All in all, Western policy on Kosovo has been appalling, and it has created a horrible precedent for the future.  Of course, it was precisely that precedent that Russia exploited in the 2008 war with Georgia.</p>
<p>Serbia was penalized for attempting to suppress a separatist rebellion inside its own borders.  It was a purely internal affair, and no state or alliance of states had any right, legal or otherwise, to launch military strikes against Serbia.  It was never sanctioned by the Security Council in any way, and the war violated both the U.N. Charter and had no authorization under the North Atlantic Treaty.  In addition, the President had no constitutional authority to wage war against Serbia, but why get hung up on technicalities like that?</p>
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		<title>By: herb</title>
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		<dc:creator>herb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please expand on the &quot;lies&quot; NATO used to illegally fight an air war against Serbia.  

I know a lot about this subject, and it&#039;s only in the last year or so that I&#039;ve heard any of this &quot;Kosovo was illegal&quot; stuff, mostly from you.

You mentioned &quot;false atrocity stories that the Clinton administration used in its war propaganda.&quot;  Do you have any examples?

I know for a fact that &quot;false atrocity stories&quot; were used by all sides in the Yugoslav conflict, but I also know that there are many very true atrocity stories that came out of Vukovar, Srebrenica, Osijek, and Sarajevo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please expand on the &#8220;lies&#8221; NATO used to illegally fight an air war against Serbia.  </p>
<p>I know a lot about this subject, and it&#8217;s only in the last year or so that I&#8217;ve heard any of this &#8220;Kosovo was illegal&#8221; stuff, mostly from you.</p>
<p>You mentioned &#8220;false atrocity stories that the Clinton administration used in its war propaganda.&#8221;  Do you have any examples?</p>
<p>I know for a fact that &#8220;false atrocity stories&#8221; were used by all sides in the Yugoslav conflict, but I also know that there are many very true atrocity stories that came out of Vukovar, Srebrenica, Osijek, and Sarajevo.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always figured the intervention was basically the US and European way of trying to avoid letting &quot;humanitarian intervention&quot; completely die on the vine. It had already taken body blows from the 1994 Rwandan genocide that they&#039;d ignored, as well as the Bosnian civil war that they ignored until multiple massacres later - hardly signs of people supposedly dedicated to intervening to stop such things. One more blow, or perceived blow (since that was what it was) might have irrevocably damaged it, and that was unacceptable to that crowd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always figured the intervention was basically the US and European way of trying to avoid letting &#8220;humanitarian intervention&#8221; completely die on the vine. It had already taken body blows from the 1994 Rwandan genocide that they&#8217;d ignored, as well as the Bosnian civil war that they ignored until multiple massacres later &#8211; hardly signs of people supposedly dedicated to intervening to stop such things. One more blow, or perceived blow (since that was what it was) might have irrevocably damaged it, and that was unacceptable to that crowd.</p>
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		<title>By: David Tomlin</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2010/01/30/blairs-monstrous-consistency/comment-page-1/#comment-35115</link>
		<dc:creator>David Tomlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 08:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I wrote the previous comment before finishing the post. My curiosity was piqued by the quoted sentence, and I was assuming it referred to the outcome of the intervention rather than events during the intervention itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I wrote the previous comment before finishing the post. My curiosity was piqued by the quoted sentence, and I was assuming it referred to the outcome of the intervention rather than events during the intervention itself.</p>
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		<title>By: David Tomlin</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2010/01/30/blairs-monstrous-consistency/comment-page-1/#comment-35114</link>
		<dc:creator>David Tomlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 08:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;[The Kosovo intervention was] disastrous for the very people it was supposed to help . . .&lt;/i&gt;

I was always opposed to the Balkan interventions, but I am at a loss as to what this is about. Do you mean the ethnic cleansing of the non-Albanians? 

For the Kosovo Albanians, we might speculate on whether they would have fared better absent the intervention. I don&#039;t know of any facts that would remotely justify describing their present situation as &#039;disastrous&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>[The Kosovo intervention was] disastrous for the very people it was supposed to help . . .</i></p>
<p>I was always opposed to the Balkan interventions, but I am at a loss as to what this is about. Do you mean the ethnic cleansing of the non-Albanians? </p>
<p>For the Kosovo Albanians, we might speculate on whether they would have fared better absent the intervention. I don&#8217;t know of any facts that would remotely justify describing their present situation as &#8216;disastrous&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: NauticalMongoose</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2010/01/30/blairs-monstrous-consistency/comment-page-1/#comment-35112</link>
		<dc:creator>NauticalMongoose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 05:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am finding it unusually difficult to find a good source discussing the Kosovo War (I am woefully ignorant about this event). Does anyone have any suggestions? I would prefer a &#039;just the facts&#039; account from which I can draw my own conclusions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am finding it unusually difficult to find a good source discussing the Kosovo War (I am woefully ignorant about this event). Does anyone have any suggestions? I would prefer a &#8216;just the facts&#8217; account from which I can draw my own conclusions.</p>
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