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	<title>Comments on: I Didn&#8217;t See This One Coming</title>
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		<title>By: RickTaylor</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2009/07/03/i-didnt-see-this-one-coming/comment-page-1/#comment-33269</link>
		<dc:creator>RickTaylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 01:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Palin was never as threatening to the left nor as wonderful for the right as both sides imagined.&quot;

I don&#039;t think by and large we on the left found Palin threatening to us. Of course we were frightened at the prospect that she might conceivably become the President of the United States. But our main reaction was slack jawed amazement. I thought I&#039;d become as cynical as I could be about the Republican party, but I was stunned that they would attempt to put someone so obviously unprepared for the job in a position to be first in line to become President should anything have happened to McCain. I was floored that with few exceptions, conservatives defended her selection and in some cases even repeated her argument that Alaska&#039;s proximity to Russia somehow gave her foreign policy experience. I couldn&#039;t believe it. Before that, I thought my respect for the Republican party couldn&#039;t drop any lower, but I was wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Palin was never as threatening to the left nor as wonderful for the right as both sides imagined.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think by and large we on the left found Palin threatening to us. Of course we were frightened at the prospect that she might conceivably become the President of the United States. But our main reaction was slack jawed amazement. I thought I&#8217;d become as cynical as I could be about the Republican party, but I was stunned that they would attempt to put someone so obviously unprepared for the job in a position to be first in line to become President should anything have happened to McCain. I was floored that with few exceptions, conservatives defended her selection and in some cases even repeated her argument that Alaska&#8217;s proximity to Russia somehow gave her foreign policy experience. I couldn&#8217;t believe it. Before that, I thought my respect for the Republican party couldn&#8217;t drop any lower, but I was wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: scott a</title>
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		<dc:creator>scott a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 01:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the talk about 2012 is way way premature...how many people really thought in July 2005 that a black man with big ears whose middle name is Hussein could knock off Hillary Clinton?  the election in 2012 will be determined by events, my dear boy.

The other point to consider is that as rudderless as the GOP is at this time, is how inept would the Democratic Party have looked if McCain had pulled off an upset?  You&#039;d probably have a very small Dem majority in the House, and Nancy would not be able to herd the southern Democrats, Reid can&#039;t manage with 60 votes and would just be giving up with anything else.  Dems benefit from having a once-generation leader in Obama but let&#039;s not think the bench is all that deep on that side of the aisle either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the talk about 2012 is way way premature&#8230;how many people really thought in July 2005 that a black man with big ears whose middle name is Hussein could knock off Hillary Clinton?  the election in 2012 will be determined by events, my dear boy.</p>
<p>The other point to consider is that as rudderless as the GOP is at this time, is how inept would the Democratic Party have looked if McCain had pulled off an upset?  You&#8217;d probably have a very small Dem majority in the House, and Nancy would not be able to herd the southern Democrats, Reid can&#8217;t manage with 60 votes and would just be giving up with anything else.  Dems benefit from having a once-generation leader in Obama but let&#8217;s not think the bench is all that deep on that side of the aisle either.</p>
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		<title>By: David Tomlin</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2009/07/03/i-didnt-see-this-one-coming/comment-page-1/#comment-33223</link>
		<dc:creator>David Tomlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 03:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has occurred to me that Palin&#039;s fans are not, as I at first thought, merely &lt;i&gt;tolerant&lt;/i&gt; of Palin&#039;s decision. It&#039;s what many of them actively desire. They are as impatient as Palin herself with that boring old job in boring old Alaska. They want her time free so she can start touring the lower 48 and inspiring them.

It&#039;s another sign of how little the Palinistas care about the actual business of governing, and how it is their movement that is really messianic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has occurred to me that Palin&#8217;s fans are not, as I at first thought, merely <i>tolerant</i> of Palin&#8217;s decision. It&#8217;s what many of them actively desire. They are as impatient as Palin herself with that boring old job in boring old Alaska. They want her time free so she can start touring the lower 48 and inspiring them.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s another sign of how little the Palinistas care about the actual business of governing, and how it is their movement that is really messianic.</p>
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		<title>By: James Kabala</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2009/07/03/i-didnt-see-this-one-coming/comment-page-1/#comment-33222</link>
		<dc:creator>James Kabala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I am struggling to understand the Palin phenomenon.&quot;

I have said before that both the love in some quarters and the hatred in others are completely inexplicable.  Her actual positions are pretty run-of-the-mill.  This most recent strange action is the first truly distinctive thing she has done.

I do think she has a good chance of winning the nomination in 2012, however, unless (my pet prediction) Cheney runs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I am struggling to understand the Palin phenomenon.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have said before that both the love in some quarters and the hatred in others are completely inexplicable.  Her actual positions are pretty run-of-the-mill.  This most recent strange action is the first truly distinctive thing she has done.</p>
<p>I do think she has a good chance of winning the nomination in 2012, however, unless (my pet prediction) Cheney runs.</p>
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		<title>By: John Schwenkler</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Schwenkler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice VY reference, Daniel. Recalling some of your earlier posts, I figured you&#039;d like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/05/sports/football/05mcnair.html?_r=1&amp;hp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this sentence&lt;/a&gt;, from the &lt;em&gt;Times&lt;/em&gt; article on Steve McNair&#039;s death:

&lt;blockquote&gt;McNair was traded to the Ravens in 2006 after the Titans drafted quarterback Vince Young, who was advertised to have McNair’s combination of skills.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice VY reference, Daniel. Recalling some of your earlier posts, I figured you&#8217;d like <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/05/sports/football/05mcnair.html?_r=1&amp;hp" rel="nofollow">this sentence</a>, from the <em>Times</em> article on Steve McNair&#8217;s death:</p>
<blockquote><p>McNair was traded to the Ravens in 2006 after the Titans drafted quarterback Vince Young, who was advertised to have McNair’s combination of skills.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: David Tomlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Tomlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 00:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel Larison:

&lt;i&gt;I don’t think I ever feared that she would run for President in 2012. If she ran, she would lose the nomination . . .&lt;/i&gt;

I have long thought that Palin is likely to be the Rudy Giuliani of 2012. She may have high poll numbers and lots of buzz and &#039;excitement&#039; up until the first primaries or nearly so, but in the heat of the contests she will melt down and possibly not win a single primary. Where the evangelicals are strong she may lose to Huckabee, and everywhere else she is likely to trail the pack.

Any chance she had of winning the nomination has now gone to negligible if not zero. If voters forget, primary rivals will make it their business to remind them.

In all the discussion of Palin&#039;s speech, there has been scant mention of the possibility that it contains some of her trademark brazen lies. No one in the media has fact-checked it yet, as far as I know.

Before the speech, Andrew Sullivan had already linked to this:

http://www.themudflats.net/2009/07/02/numbers-shmumbers/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel Larison:</p>
<p><i>I don’t think I ever feared that she would run for President in 2012. If she ran, she would lose the nomination . . .</i></p>
<p>I have long thought that Palin is likely to be the Rudy Giuliani of 2012. She may have high poll numbers and lots of buzz and &#8216;excitement&#8217; up until the first primaries or nearly so, but in the heat of the contests she will melt down and possibly not win a single primary. Where the evangelicals are strong she may lose to Huckabee, and everywhere else she is likely to trail the pack.</p>
<p>Any chance she had of winning the nomination has now gone to negligible if not zero. If voters forget, primary rivals will make it their business to remind them.</p>
<p>In all the discussion of Palin&#8217;s speech, there has been scant mention of the possibility that it contains some of her trademark brazen lies. No one in the media has fact-checked it yet, as far as I know.</p>
<p>Before the speech, Andrew Sullivan had already linked to this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.themudflats.net/2009/07/02/numbers-shmumbers/" rel="nofollow">http://www.themudflats.net/2009/07/02/numbers-shmumbers/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jesse Walker</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2009/07/03/i-didnt-see-this-one-coming/comment-page-1/#comment-33214</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 21:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;To make a Nixonian comeback, it might be helpful if Palin’s career were in any way comparable to Nixon’s.&lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t expect her to have a Nixonian comeback. I do expect her to try. The results are more likely to look like Perot&#039;s in-and-out routine in 1992.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>To make a Nixonian comeback, it might be helpful if Palin’s career were in any way comparable to Nixon’s.</i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t expect her to have a Nixonian comeback. I do expect her to try. The results are more likely to look like Perot&#8217;s in-and-out routine in 1992.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Sastre</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2009/07/03/i-didnt-see-this-one-coming/comment-page-1/#comment-33213</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Sastre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I am struggling to understand the Palin phenomenon&lt;/i&gt;

David, I am with you in that struggle. Earlier today, over at NRO, Victor Davis Hanson proffered up his latest Palinite nugget - that by 2016 &quot;the key is whether she convinces conservatives in eight year of travel and reflection that she&#039;s a  charismatic Margaret Thatcher type heavyweight.&quot; Good luck with all that, VDH. What an insult to the Iron Baroness. I cannot conceive of the formidable _ever_ anouncing to a breathless and enraptured audience that, in paraphrase, &quot;Only quitters stick it out and toil-on; winners quit!&quot;.

The most amazing thing to me is that, generally, the most vociferous affirmants of the hidden depths and subtle steely judgement of the Alaskan SuperMom are the ones who most contemptuously derided Obama supporters as buying into style over substance.

Happy July 4th to all of my American cousins south of the Great White North - the best neighbour a country could ask for, if an oftimes puzzling and unpredictable one!

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I am struggling to understand the Palin phenomenon</i></p>
<p>David, I am with you in that struggle. Earlier today, over at NRO, Victor Davis Hanson proffered up his latest Palinite nugget &#8211; that by 2016 &#8220;the key is whether she convinces conservatives in eight year of travel and reflection that she&#8217;s a  charismatic Margaret Thatcher type heavyweight.&#8221; Good luck with all that, VDH. What an insult to the Iron Baroness. I cannot conceive of the formidable _ever_ anouncing to a breathless and enraptured audience that, in paraphrase, &#8220;Only quitters stick it out and toil-on; winners quit!&#8221;.</p>
<p>The most amazing thing to me is that, generally, the most vociferous affirmants of the hidden depths and subtle steely judgement of the Alaskan SuperMom are the ones who most contemptuously derided Obama supporters as buying into style over substance.</p>
<p>Happy July 4th to all of my American cousins south of the Great White North &#8211; the best neighbour a country could ask for, if an oftimes puzzling and unpredictable one!</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: M.Z. Forrest</title>
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		<dc:creator>M.Z. Forrest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still find the Palinites hard to stomach.  Check this out and the comments: http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/07/03/palin-resigns/  

I should stop being surprised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still find the Palinites hard to stomach.  Check this out and the comments: <a href="http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/07/03/palin-resigns/" rel="nofollow">http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/07/03/palin-resigns/</a>  </p>
<p>I should stop being surprised.</p>
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		<title>By: David Tomlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Tomlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 17:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel Larison:

&lt;i&gt;It will be very difficult to explain to later generations what it was that the Palinites saw in her that made them so fervent and enthusiastic. The Palin enthusiasm of 2008 will not end up making much sense a few years from now.&lt;/i&gt;

If at this time it makes sense and is easily explained, I would like to hear the explanation.

That sounds snarky, but I don&#039;t mean it that way. I mean it literally, and I don&#039;t know a better way to say it.

I am struggling to understand the Palin phenomenon. Presently I&#039;m reading Hofstadter&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Anti-intellectualism in American Life&lt;/i&gt;. It sheds some light on the subject, but I&#039;m still a long way from fully understanding it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel Larison:</p>
<p><i>It will be very difficult to explain to later generations what it was that the Palinites saw in her that made them so fervent and enthusiastic. The Palin enthusiasm of 2008 will not end up making much sense a few years from now.</i></p>
<p>If at this time it makes sense and is easily explained, I would like to hear the explanation.</p>
<p>That sounds snarky, but I don&#8217;t mean it that way. I mean it literally, and I don&#8217;t know a better way to say it.</p>
<p>I am struggling to understand the Palin phenomenon. Presently I&#8217;m reading Hofstadter&#8217;s <i>Anti-intellectualism in American Life</i>. It sheds some light on the subject, but I&#8217;m still a long way from fully understanding it.</p>
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		<title>By: merickson</title>
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		<dc:creator>merickson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 17:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to admit I liked reading about Andrew&#039;s obsessions and the rage it generated. Fun stuff. But I&#039;m surprised it took so long for him to realize that the most likely (and simplest) explanation was that she lied about her airplane trip. Especially in light of his ongoing catalog of her lies, why didn&#039;t he apply what he knew to her first lie?

As for Palin&#039;s followers, my sister is a true-believer, mother of 5, home-schooler and blogger. Read a few big family home-schooling mom blog comments and you realize a large percentage of the discourse is how beautiful their families are. Beautiful family = morally good. Sad, but true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to admit I liked reading about Andrew&#8217;s obsessions and the rage it generated. Fun stuff. But I&#8217;m surprised it took so long for him to realize that the most likely (and simplest) explanation was that she lied about her airplane trip. Especially in light of his ongoing catalog of her lies, why didn&#8217;t he apply what he knew to her first lie?</p>
<p>As for Palin&#8217;s followers, my sister is a true-believer, mother of 5, home-schooler and blogger. Read a few big family home-schooling mom blog comments and you realize a large percentage of the discourse is how beautiful their families are. Beautiful family = morally good. Sad, but true.</p>
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		<title>By: David Tomlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Tomlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 17:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;A lot of politicians have resigned over the past year, because this is not a good time to be a mindless ideologue, glad handing your way to the top. For all the talk about the attention her family’s dysfunction received, the truth is that her budgetary choices were going to be very tough. It is easy being a politician when your choices are ice cream or cake, and you can say, “Let’s do both!”&lt;/i&gt;

Good point.

I would add that Palin  is quitting just as her popularity hits 55%. Getting out before it goes below 50% allows her to keep claiming to have been a &#039;popular governor of Alaska&#039;, without ambiguity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>A lot of politicians have resigned over the past year, because this is not a good time to be a mindless ideologue, glad handing your way to the top. For all the talk about the attention her family’s dysfunction received, the truth is that her budgetary choices were going to be very tough. It is easy being a politician when your choices are ice cream or cake, and you can say, “Let’s do both!”</i></p>
<p>Good point.</p>
<p>I would add that Palin  is quitting just as her popularity hits 55%. Getting out before it goes below 50% allows her to keep claiming to have been a &#8216;popular governor of Alaska&#8217;, without ambiguity.</p>
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		<title>By: jetan</title>
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		<dc:creator>jetan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The pretty and moderately clever girl in high school&quot;. This a terrible slander on the pretty and moderately clever girl in high school, who was a friend of mine. First off the Real McCoy would have prepared up the wazoo and would have crushed Katie Couric like a bug. Second, unless you are Rick Lowry, Gov. Palin ain&#039;t that hot. I mean, she is definitely easier on the eyes than, say, Fred Thompson but far from the dish that that young lady on C-Span is (what the Hell is her name).

If the governor is smart she will blow off this political nonsense and sign a contract with Fox News. Huckabee is going to run again, and there will be an open time slot when he steps down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The pretty and moderately clever girl in high school&#8221;. This a terrible slander on the pretty and moderately clever girl in high school, who was a friend of mine. First off the Real McCoy would have prepared up the wazoo and would have crushed Katie Couric like a bug. Second, unless you are Rick Lowry, Gov. Palin ain&#8217;t that hot. I mean, she is definitely easier on the eyes than, say, Fred Thompson but far from the dish that that young lady on C-Span is (what the Hell is her name).</p>
<p>If the governor is smart she will blow off this political nonsense and sign a contract with Fox News. Huckabee is going to run again, and there will be an open time slot when he steps down.</p>
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		<title>By: Grumpy Old Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grumpy Old Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TC Boyle, C Buckley, or my Nobel pick, Elmoore Leonard--all alive. Cmon, guys!</description>
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		<title>By: Grumpy Old Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grumpy Old Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too bad Fitzgerald, Sinclair Lewis, and Warren are all dead. What a novel this would make. JK Toole, for that matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bad Fitzgerald, Sinclair Lewis, and Warren are all dead. What a novel this would make. JK Toole, for that matter.</p>
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