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		<title>By: Daniel Larison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Larison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Friedman&#039;s point is that Iranians who speak English are not representative of most Iranians, and relying on them as sources can lead us to misunderstand the internal politics of the country.  If we are relying extensively on first-hand accounts by Iranian English-speakers, we may be missing what a majority of Iranians thinks about the election and its aftermath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Friedman&#8217;s point is that Iranians who speak English are not representative of most Iranians, and relying on them as sources can lead us to misunderstand the internal politics of the country.  If we are relying extensively on first-hand accounts by Iranian English-speakers, we may be missing what a majority of Iranians thinks about the election and its aftermath.</p>
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		<title>By: Spiffy McBang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spiffy McBang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 09:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doubting any English-language source assumes they have only a tenuous, if any, connection with sources inside Iran.  This has been one of the extraordinary aspects of this event- the sheer number of people who have been trying to keep the world updated via Twitter, text, et al.  We don&#039;t have to rely on the assumptions of connected exiles with agendas of their own- we&#039;re getting information, especially pictures and video, from people at ground level that has been enormously more informative than &quot;classic&quot; journalistic coverage thus far.

We rely on English sources because we speak English.  An awful lot of those people with cell phones and computers in Iran do, too, and there are plenty of people who can translate for those who don&#039;t.  We sometimes forget just how ubiquitous our language of choice is around the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doubting any English-language source assumes they have only a tenuous, if any, connection with sources inside Iran.  This has been one of the extraordinary aspects of this event- the sheer number of people who have been trying to keep the world updated via Twitter, text, et al.  We don&#8217;t have to rely on the assumptions of connected exiles with agendas of their own- we&#8217;re getting information, especially pictures and video, from people at ground level that has been enormously more informative than &#8220;classic&#8221; journalistic coverage thus far.</p>
<p>We rely on English sources because we speak English.  An awful lot of those people with cell phones and computers in Iran do, too, and there are plenty of people who can translate for those who don&#8217;t.  We sometimes forget just how ubiquitous our language of choice is around the world.</p>
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		<title>By: jetan</title>
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		<dc:creator>jetan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 07:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama&#039;s comments to MSNBC were refreshingly calm and prosaic.

To see the opposite of &quot;calm and prosaic&quot;, one would need to to take a gander at the shrill, pious, and hysterical bleatings of George Packer over at The New Yorker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama&#8217;s comments to MSNBC were refreshingly calm and prosaic.</p>
<p>To see the opposite of &#8220;calm and prosaic&#8221;, one would need to to take a gander at the shrill, pious, and hysterical bleatings of George Packer over at The New Yorker.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Larison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Larison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 07:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Could it be that he, like Sullivan, is viewing Iran through the perspective of American politics?&quot;

That&#039;s certainly possible.  The &quot;pious poor&quot; vs. &quot;wealthy urbanite&quot; dichotomy can be exaggerated, but the examples of Russia and Venezuela keep haunting me.  In those countries two-thirds of the people really have backed Putin/Medvedev and Chavez, and then we see fraud and violence in addition to that.  It seems very plausible to me that the relatively more &quot;liberal&quot; faction has a smaller social base and is alienated from the rest of the country, because this is frequently what happens in modernizing countries.  In this respect, it might help to compare the electoral fortunes of Ahmadinejad and Erdogan, who both came to national power after being mayors of their respective large cities, tapped into their own varieties of Islamist populism, and campaigned against the establishment and the more technocratic and educated left.  The continuing failure of most analysts to account for the role of religious sentiment in all of this is remarkable.       

Analogies to our own elections are bound to be imperfect, and I wouldn&#039;t ever rule out the possibility of significant vote rigging, but I am not persuaded that if we concede that the rigging occurred that the outcome is therefore fake.  The point I believe that Friedman is making is that Ahmadinejad&#039;s enemies would not have just called him on it after the fact, but would have announced the fraud to the world in advance.  

I thought one of Friedman&#039;s best points is that most everyone outside Iran is relying heavily on English-language sources.  Obviously, so am I, but I think that should make us very wary of trusting accounts from English-language sources that purport to give us the inside information on what is happening in the country as a whole.  The English-language sources may be telling the truth as far as they go, but may be offering just a partial picture.  Then again, they may be selling us something, and I would have thought our experience with Iraqi exiles would make us more cautious about buying into stories that conform to our expectations, fears and assumptions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Could it be that he, like Sullivan, is viewing Iran through the perspective of American politics?&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s certainly possible.  The &#8220;pious poor&#8221; vs. &#8220;wealthy urbanite&#8221; dichotomy can be exaggerated, but the examples of Russia and Venezuela keep haunting me.  In those countries two-thirds of the people really have backed Putin/Medvedev and Chavez, and then we see fraud and violence in addition to that.  It seems very plausible to me that the relatively more &#8220;liberal&#8221; faction has a smaller social base and is alienated from the rest of the country, because this is frequently what happens in modernizing countries.  In this respect, it might help to compare the electoral fortunes of Ahmadinejad and Erdogan, who both came to national power after being mayors of their respective large cities, tapped into their own varieties of Islamist populism, and campaigned against the establishment and the more technocratic and educated left.  The continuing failure of most analysts to account for the role of religious sentiment in all of this is remarkable.       </p>
<p>Analogies to our own elections are bound to be imperfect, and I wouldn&#8217;t ever rule out the possibility of significant vote rigging, but I am not persuaded that if we concede that the rigging occurred that the outcome is therefore fake.  The point I believe that Friedman is making is that Ahmadinejad&#8217;s enemies would not have just called him on it after the fact, but would have announced the fraud to the world in advance.  </p>
<p>I thought one of Friedman&#8217;s best points is that most everyone outside Iran is relying heavily on English-language sources.  Obviously, so am I, but I think that should make us very wary of trusting accounts from English-language sources that purport to give us the inside information on what is happening in the country as a whole.  The English-language sources may be telling the truth as far as they go, but may be offering just a partial picture.  Then again, they may be selling us something, and I would have thought our experience with Iraqi exiles would make us more cautious about buying into stories that conform to our expectations, fears and assumptions.</p>
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		<title>By: Grumpy Old Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grumpy Old Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 05:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Health care policy is the quintessentially boring subject. 

How paint dries, for example, is much more interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Health care policy is the quintessentially boring subject. </p>
<p>How paint dries, for example, is much more interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 03:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly we are all speculating here and I think your scepticism is healthy.  But Friedman&#039;s claim that rigging the vote: &quot;... would have required the involvement of an incredible number of people, and would have risked creating numbers that quite plainly did not jibe with sentiment in each precinct&quot; seems to be borne out by events on the ground.  Large, if not incredible numbers of people are coming forward to allege fraud.  The protests throughout Iran could be taken as evidence that the results &quot;did not jibe with sentiment&quot;.  Powerful enemies of Ahmadinejad have spotted or alleged fraud and called him on it.  So if you will permit my own scepiticism I wonder why Friedman is so eager to identify events in Iran with inner-city elitism.  Could it be that he, like Sullivan, is viewing Iran through the perspective of American politics?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly we are all speculating here and I think your scepticism is healthy.  But Friedman&#8217;s claim that rigging the vote: &#8220;&#8230; would have required the involvement of an incredible number of people, and would have risked creating numbers that quite plainly did not jibe with sentiment in each precinct&#8221; seems to be borne out by events on the ground.  Large, if not incredible numbers of people are coming forward to allege fraud.  The protests throughout Iran could be taken as evidence that the results &#8220;did not jibe with sentiment&#8221;.  Powerful enemies of Ahmadinejad have spotted or alleged fraud and called him on it.  So if you will permit my own scepiticism I wonder why Friedman is so eager to identify events in Iran with inner-city elitism.  Could it be that he, like Sullivan, is viewing Iran through the perspective of American politics?</p>
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		<title>By: nkaisare</title>
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		<dc:creator>nkaisare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 03:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A counterpoint raised by a few people is that if the junta wanted to rig the elections, why would they not to it subtly, say a slender margin for Ahmadenijad&#039;s victory?

I think the reason is that subtlety is not their trait. They would rather go for &quot;convincing (large) margins&quot; than &quot;justifiable margins&quot;. Another aspect is a show of power: yes, I have rigged elections in such a ridiculous manner... I dare you to stop me from coming to power.

It will also serve well to keep in mind the way general people talk about elected leaders. Its fairly common to refer to the elected premiere as having &quot;won the throne&quot;, children of ex-premieres as &quot;heir apparent&quot; or &quot;crown prince&quot;. Had Bush been projected as &quot;heir apparent&quot; in 2000, his campaign would be DOA. Folks in India, on the other hand, could win elections by claiming to be close to &quot;heir apparent&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A counterpoint raised by a few people is that if the junta wanted to rig the elections, why would they not to it subtly, say a slender margin for Ahmadenijad&#8217;s victory?</p>
<p>I think the reason is that subtlety is not their trait. They would rather go for &#8220;convincing (large) margins&#8221; than &#8220;justifiable margins&#8221;. Another aspect is a show of power: yes, I have rigged elections in such a ridiculous manner&#8230; I dare you to stop me from coming to power.</p>
<p>It will also serve well to keep in mind the way general people talk about elected leaders. Its fairly common to refer to the elected premiere as having &#8220;won the throne&#8221;, children of ex-premieres as &#8220;heir apparent&#8221; or &#8220;crown prince&#8221;. Had Bush been projected as &#8220;heir apparent&#8221; in 2000, his campaign would be DOA. Folks in India, on the other hand, could win elections by claiming to be close to &#8220;heir apparent&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: nkaisare</title>
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		<dc:creator>nkaisare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 02:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are correct in noting that our own experiences prejudice the way in which we view others. I do not know much about situation in Iran. So, my comments should be taken more as a &quot;devil&#039;s advocate&quot;.

A few points I would like to make:

1. In India, even exit poll results are quite contrary to the results of final elections. This has happened more-or-less consistently in the recent past. The opinion polls are known to miss the target quite significantly. For example, in 2004, they predicted strong majority for the incumbent, the opposition &quot;won&quot;; this elections, they predicted trouble for the incumbent, who &quot;won&quot; quite comfortably.

[I put &quot;won&quot; in quotes because we are a multi-party parliamentary democracy.]

It is very possible that the opinion polls failed to capture realities.

2. In countries like Iran, use of force does not imply &quot;stealing of the election&quot;. Regimes like these are not averse to using force against their own citizens, even if Ahmadenijad really won. In fact, a real victory with such a margin would make him feel entitled to using force... since he might feel he has won the political capital to do so.

3. University educated folks form a minority of Iranian population. Have similar unrest been reported elsewhere in Iran? Why not? If yes, would that not be more important to focus on. We are talking about rights of a vocal, educated minority; what about rights of a majority who&#039;s views may be antithetical to ours?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are correct in noting that our own experiences prejudice the way in which we view others. I do not know much about situation in Iran. So, my comments should be taken more as a &#8220;devil&#8217;s advocate&#8221;.</p>
<p>A few points I would like to make:</p>
<p>1. In India, even exit poll results are quite contrary to the results of final elections. This has happened more-or-less consistently in the recent past. The opinion polls are known to miss the target quite significantly. For example, in 2004, they predicted strong majority for the incumbent, the opposition &#8220;won&#8221;; this elections, they predicted trouble for the incumbent, who &#8220;won&#8221; quite comfortably.</p>
<p>[I put "won" in quotes because we are a multi-party parliamentary democracy.]</p>
<p>It is very possible that the opinion polls failed to capture realities.</p>
<p>2. In countries like Iran, use of force does not imply &#8220;stealing of the election&#8221;. Regimes like these are not averse to using force against their own citizens, even if Ahmadenijad really won. In fact, a real victory with such a margin would make him feel entitled to using force&#8230; since he might feel he has won the political capital to do so.</p>
<p>3. University educated folks form a minority of Iranian population. Have similar unrest been reported elsewhere in Iran? Why not? If yes, would that not be more important to focus on. We are talking about rights of a vocal, educated minority; what about rights of a majority who&#8217;s views may be antithetical to ours?</p>
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		<title>By: JJM lost his password</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJM lost his password</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 02:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you telling me that election results in a religious theocracy are, at best, tenuous?  Who could have predicted!?!

Seriously, there&#039;s a debate going on right now about national healthcare.  The result of which will in all likelihood have a more profound and long-lasting affect on all Americans than whichever stooge of the Guardian Council gets to flounder on the global stage next.  I&#039;d love to hear about the dissident or paleo-conservative approach to healthcare.  Is healthcare indeed a right?  Should it be administered at the Federal level, or should state governments be charged with providing it?  Will government expenditures into healthcare be a net loss, or will the financial stability that it imparts on families allow the economy to grow?  Will national healthcare impart financial stability to families?

Please, anything other than Iran.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you telling me that election results in a religious theocracy are, at best, tenuous?  Who could have predicted!?!</p>
<p>Seriously, there&#8217;s a debate going on right now about national healthcare.  The result of which will in all likelihood have a more profound and long-lasting affect on all Americans than whichever stooge of the Guardian Council gets to flounder on the global stage next.  I&#8217;d love to hear about the dissident or paleo-conservative approach to healthcare.  Is healthcare indeed a right?  Should it be administered at the Federal level, or should state governments be charged with providing it?  Will government expenditures into healthcare be a net loss, or will the financial stability that it imparts on families allow the economy to grow?  Will national healthcare impart financial stability to families?</p>
<p>Please, anything other than Iran.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 01:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Ahmadinejad is a puppet of the feckless mullahs. They have been locked into a little retrograde box by the Internet and the bravery of people who are fed up.&lt;/i&gt;

Thats an amazing reading of the situation, considering the &quot;opposition&quot; (1) has made it clear that nuclear development will continue and (2) was part of the ruling regime that initiated the suicidal Iran-Iraq war and (3) is supported by a large player amongst the internal politics of the Guardian Council. There is little, if any, substance to suggest that people are for the destruction of a predominantly Islamic state, or even if there is much of a platform outside of some irritation over cultural-social issues. China conveniently vented such distinctly middle-class frustrations fairly well after Tienanmen Square and theres no obvious reasons why a similar relaxation couldn&#039;t appease Iran&#039;s middle-class.

That said, either way it goes its not any of our concern on a national level, and hopefully the less than concerned attitude of Obama will hold, silencing his neo-con and war-mongering critics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Ahmadinejad is a puppet of the feckless mullahs. They have been locked into a little retrograde box by the Internet and the bravery of people who are fed up.</i></p>
<p>Thats an amazing reading of the situation, considering the &#8220;opposition&#8221; (1) has made it clear that nuclear development will continue and (2) was part of the ruling regime that initiated the suicidal Iran-Iraq war and (3) is supported by a large player amongst the internal politics of the Guardian Council. There is little, if any, substance to suggest that people are for the destruction of a predominantly Islamic state, or even if there is much of a platform outside of some irritation over cultural-social issues. China conveniently vented such distinctly middle-class frustrations fairly well after Tienanmen Square and theres no obvious reasons why a similar relaxation couldn&#8217;t appease Iran&#8217;s middle-class.</p>
<p>That said, either way it goes its not any of our concern on a national level, and hopefully the less than concerned attitude of Obama will hold, silencing his neo-con and war-mongering critics.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveM</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 00:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The key take-away related to American geo-political interests of this turbulent event is that it highlights Ahmadinejad as an impotent tail trying to wag a rebellious dog that is the Iranian citizenry.

Ahmadinejad is a puppet of the feckless mullahs. They have been locked into a little retrograde box by the Internet and the bravery of people who are fed up.  That said, how is a totally bifurcated Iran a genuine threat to the US?  The neo-cons want to attack Iran.  The question now is, Why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The key take-away related to American geo-political interests of this turbulent event is that it highlights Ahmadinejad as an impotent tail trying to wag a rebellious dog that is the Iranian citizenry.</p>
<p>Ahmadinejad is a puppet of the feckless mullahs. They have been locked into a little retrograde box by the Internet and the bravery of people who are fed up.  That said, how is a totally bifurcated Iran a genuine threat to the US?  The neo-cons want to attack Iran.  The question now is, Why?</p>
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		<title>By: Cord</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 00:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found more convincing of possible fraud that they were apparently able to hand-count some 40 million folded paper ballots only 3 hours after voting ended. This coupled with the fact that Khamenei immediately certified the election whereas previous elections took 3 days to tally and certify the vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found more convincing of possible fraud that they were apparently able to hand-count some 40 million folded paper ballots only 3 hours after voting ended. This coupled with the fact that Khamenei immediately certified the election whereas previous elections took 3 days to tally and certify the vote.</p>
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		<title>By: Ignoto Fiorentino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ignoto Fiorentino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 00:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Lower East Side? The Lower East Side is basically an extension of Chinatown.  I think Friedman means the Upper West Side, which is the stereotypical New York left-wing neighborhood..  Maybe he knows more about Iranian than US politics, though.

For explanations of why the announced Iranian election results are implausible, see http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/06/iran-does-have-some-fishy-numbers.html, and http://www.juancole.com/2009/06/stealing-iranian-election.html.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Lower East Side? The Lower East Side is basically an extension of Chinatown.  I think Friedman means the Upper West Side, which is the stereotypical New York left-wing neighborhood..  Maybe he knows more about Iranian than US politics, though.</p>
<p>For explanations of why the announced Iranian election results are implausible, see <a href="http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/06/iran-does-have-some-fishy-numbers.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/06/iran-does-have-some-fishy-numbers.html</a>, and <a href="http://www.juancole.com/2009/06/stealing-iranian-election.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.juancole.com/2009/06/stealing-iranian-election.html</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: kevinjjones</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 23:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m curious about the images of protesters carrying bilingual or English-only signs. 

In part these images are published because of the natural bias of the Anglophone press. But to whom are the English-language signs supposed to appeal? How many Iranians are fluent in English?

Putin scored some easy nationalist points against Kasparov when he criticized the chess grandmaster for staging his protests in English. Can anti-Mousavi partisans make the same criticism?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m curious about the images of protesters carrying bilingual or English-only signs. </p>
<p>In part these images are published because of the natural bias of the Anglophone press. But to whom are the English-language signs supposed to appeal? How many Iranians are fluent in English?</p>
<p>Putin scored some easy nationalist points against Kasparov when he criticized the chess grandmaster for staging his protests in English. Can anti-Mousavi partisans make the same criticism?</p>
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		<title>By: Sean S.</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2009/06/16/think-again/comment-page-1/#comment-32796</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 23:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama made as much of a point during his interview with CNBC today, pointing out that the differences between the two politicians is arguably very little, and there was no significant chance that the election would undermine their nuclear program (which is controlled by the Khameni and the Rev. Guards), nor see a significant shift in their attitude towards America. Thus, whomever comes out on top, America is willing to deal with them, and more importantly, Khameni.

And this desire to work with the current regime, I believe, has the strongest chance of producing durable changes in how the system operates. As long as a significant portion (if not outright majority) of the country prefers a defensive crouch to America, the power of the military over internal politics is not only accepted, but arguably approved. Never under-estimate mass approval of wide-scale oppression. A nonplussed attitude from America is the quickest way to neuter such arguments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama made as much of a point during his interview with CNBC today, pointing out that the differences between the two politicians is arguably very little, and there was no significant chance that the election would undermine their nuclear program (which is controlled by the Khameni and the Rev. Guards), nor see a significant shift in their attitude towards America. Thus, whomever comes out on top, America is willing to deal with them, and more importantly, Khameni.</p>
<p>And this desire to work with the current regime, I believe, has the strongest chance of producing durable changes in how the system operates. As long as a significant portion (if not outright majority) of the country prefers a defensive crouch to America, the power of the military over internal politics is not only accepted, but arguably approved. Never under-estimate mass approval of wide-scale oppression. A nonplussed attitude from America is the quickest way to neuter such arguments.</p>
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