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		<title>By: Seamus</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2009/05/10/what-about-the-prime-directive/comment-page-1/#comment-32313</link>
		<dc:creator>Seamus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 19:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the original series, the Prime Directive was a joke.  Sorta the way international law against aggression is in the minds of those neo-New Frontiersmen who were running our country between 2001 and earlier this year.  (And those other neo-New Frontiersmen who were running it in 1999, when we went to war against Yugoslavia.)

My wife tells me, however, that The Next Generation has a couple of instances where Picard actually took the Prime Directive seriously, and some seriously bad stuff was tolerated rather than open up the can of worms that Kirk opened up, it seemed, every other episode.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the original series, the Prime Directive was a joke.  Sorta the way international law against aggression is in the minds of those neo-New Frontiersmen who were running our country between 2001 and earlier this year.  (And those other neo-New Frontiersmen who were running it in 1999, when we went to war against Yugoslavia.)</p>
<p>My wife tells me, however, that The Next Generation has a couple of instances where Picard actually took the Prime Directive seriously, and some seriously bad stuff was tolerated rather than open up the can of worms that Kirk opened up, it seemed, every other episode.</p>
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		<title>By: cyntax</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2009/05/10/what-about-the-prime-directive/comment-page-1/#comment-32097</link>
		<dc:creator>cyntax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 17:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>blockquote&gt;Surely the stories should drive home why non-interference is the better, wiser course, but instead they routinely show the Prime Directive to be the invention of moral and political idiots.
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Well, except when they think it isn&#039;t the right thing to do which, apparently, was much of the time.  The Prime Directive was more of a conceptual foil than it was actually an expression of an ideal principle.  It kind of seems that because the PD resonates with your political views, that you&#039;re ignoring how it actually functioned in the stories.  Over and over again the stories &quot;problematized&quot; the PD by creating situations in which characters we knew to be good felt compelled to break this rule; thus showing the shortcoming of this rule as a sort of moral constant that could be universally applied at all times.  You seem to be put off by what might be described from one point of view as moral relativism, but from another view might be described as humanitarianism (or perhaps entityism in scifi?).  

And then there&#039;s the dramatic considerations.  Story telling in our culture revolves around conflict and resolution.  If Kirk and company kept flying around the universe, showing up at various planets and saying &quot;Yep, this situation is dire and we&#039;d love to do something but our steadfast adherence to the Prime Directive prevents us, &quot; that would make for some pretty boring storytelling.  Now, one could argue pretty convincingly that we&#039;d get better stories if violating the Prime Directive blew up in people&#039;s faces more often, but conflict is still the driver there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>blockquote&gt;Surely the stories should drive home why non-interference is the better, wiser course, but instead they routinely show the Prime Directive to be the invention of moral and political idiots.</p>
<p>Well, except when they think it isn&#8217;t the right thing to do which, apparently, was much of the time.  The Prime Directive was more of a conceptual foil than it was actually an expression of an ideal principle.  It kind of seems that because the PD resonates with your political views, that you&#8217;re ignoring how it actually functioned in the stories.  Over and over again the stories &#8220;problematized&#8221; the PD by creating situations in which characters we knew to be good felt compelled to break this rule; thus showing the shortcoming of this rule as a sort of moral constant that could be universally applied at all times.  You seem to be put off by what might be described from one point of view as moral relativism, but from another view might be described as humanitarianism (or perhaps entityism in scifi?).  </p>
<p>And then there&#8217;s the dramatic considerations.  Story telling in our culture revolves around conflict and resolution.  If Kirk and company kept flying around the universe, showing up at various planets and saying &#8220;Yep, this situation is dire and we&#8217;d love to do something but our steadfast adherence to the Prime Directive prevents us, &#8221; that would make for some pretty boring storytelling.  Now, one could argue pretty convincingly that we&#8217;d get better stories if violating the Prime Directive blew up in people&#8217;s faces more often, but conflict is still the driver there.</p>
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		<title>By: jamie</title>
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		<dc:creator>jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 05:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just racking my brain trying to come up with a situation where the show would depict the Prime Directive as &quot;the invention of moral and political idiots.&quot;  Many episodes went to pains to depict characters who defied the Prime Directive as scoundrels (like Merrick in &quot;Bread and Circuses&quot; -- aka the &quot;Romans with 20th century technology&quot; episode) or misguided do-gooders (like John Gill in &quot;Patterns of Force&quot; --- aka &quot;The Nazi Planet&quot; episode).  Violation of the prime directive also led to humorous but plainly deleterious &quot;cultural contamination&quot; in &quot;A Piece of the Action&quot; (the &quot;Gangster Planet&quot; episode).  The violations of the prime directive that are done by the &quot;good guys&quot; are generally pretty glancing, like in &quot;The Omega Glory,&quot; when Kirk merely reads the words of a document the original culture wrote but had forgotten how to read -- the document turns out to be a parallel world version of the US Constitution.

The two most challenging episodes to the Prime Directive in TOS were probably &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Private_Little_War&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A Private Little War&lt;/a&gt;&quot; (the vietnam episode) or &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Return_of_the_Archons&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Return of the Archons&lt;/a&gt;&quot;.  In the first one, the Klingons have already begun arming one side of a conflict on the planet, and thus Kirk feels compelled to arm &lt;em&gt;his&lt;/em&gt; friends in order to counter the external enemies -- the episode leaves strangely unsaid wether this program of arming Kirk&#039;s side is continued after he leaves.  In &quot;Archons,&quot; they visit a planet in which all society is controlled by a computer and enforced with mind control.  In fact, the planet is a perfect Totalitarianism; the computer, &quot;Landru,&quot; is regarded as an all-knowing God.  Kirk uses his ship&#039;s superior weapons and technology to destroy the computer, plainly violating the directive, because he reasons that the Prime Directive only applies to a &quot;living, growing society.&quot;  At the end of the episode one is left seriously wondering how all of the people on the planet will feed and clothe themselves without the Landru computer.

The Prime Directive is best understood as a sort of &quot;Three Laws of Robotics&quot; for Star Trek.  It espouses an ideal that everyone can pretty much agree with, or at least comprehend the reasoning, and then the show  demonstrates all of the ways the ideal can break down, in the breach and the observance.

The comparison is a little silly, though, since the Prime Directive isn&#039;t based on anything like &quot;sovereignty,&quot; I don&#039;t ever recall ever hearing the word in any ST series or movie.  It&#039;s based on simply preventing non-spacefaring planets from having to confront the reality of not being alone in the Universe, until those peoples themselves have the ability to travel between the between planets.  It has nothing to do with respecting or abiding by the decisions of a people, or not interefering with the decisions of a planetary government, particularly if those people are aware of space travel.  Indeed, many episodes in TOS and TNG depict the crew of the Enterprise going to lengths to change the course of an unsuspecting planet&#039;s history, and this is considered perfectly acceptible as long as the beknighted people involved aren&#039;t aware that there are such a thing as aliens.  The Prime Directive and &quot;paleocon non-intervention&quot; are two similar-sounding but quite different concepts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just racking my brain trying to come up with a situation where the show would depict the Prime Directive as &#8220;the invention of moral and political idiots.&#8221;  Many episodes went to pains to depict characters who defied the Prime Directive as scoundrels (like Merrick in &#8220;Bread and Circuses&#8221; &#8212; aka the &#8220;Romans with 20th century technology&#8221; episode) or misguided do-gooders (like John Gill in &#8220;Patterns of Force&#8221; &#8212; aka &#8220;The Nazi Planet&#8221; episode).  Violation of the prime directive also led to humorous but plainly deleterious &#8220;cultural contamination&#8221; in &#8220;A Piece of the Action&#8221; (the &#8220;Gangster Planet&#8221; episode).  The violations of the prime directive that are done by the &#8220;good guys&#8221; are generally pretty glancing, like in &#8220;The Omega Glory,&#8221; when Kirk merely reads the words of a document the original culture wrote but had forgotten how to read &#8212; the document turns out to be a parallel world version of the US Constitution.</p>
<p>The two most challenging episodes to the Prime Directive in TOS were probably &#8220;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Private_Little_War" rel="nofollow">A Private Little War</a>&#8221; (the vietnam episode) or &#8220;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Return_of_the_Archons" rel="nofollow">Return of the Archons</a>&#8220;.  In the first one, the Klingons have already begun arming one side of a conflict on the planet, and thus Kirk feels compelled to arm <em>his</em> friends in order to counter the external enemies &#8212; the episode leaves strangely unsaid wether this program of arming Kirk&#8217;s side is continued after he leaves.  In &#8220;Archons,&#8221; they visit a planet in which all society is controlled by a computer and enforced with mind control.  In fact, the planet is a perfect Totalitarianism; the computer, &#8220;Landru,&#8221; is regarded as an all-knowing God.  Kirk uses his ship&#8217;s superior weapons and technology to destroy the computer, plainly violating the directive, because he reasons that the Prime Directive only applies to a &#8220;living, growing society.&#8221;  At the end of the episode one is left seriously wondering how all of the people on the planet will feed and clothe themselves without the Landru computer.</p>
<p>The Prime Directive is best understood as a sort of &#8220;Three Laws of Robotics&#8221; for Star Trek.  It espouses an ideal that everyone can pretty much agree with, or at least comprehend the reasoning, and then the show  demonstrates all of the ways the ideal can break down, in the breach and the observance.</p>
<p>The comparison is a little silly, though, since the Prime Directive isn&#8217;t based on anything like &#8220;sovereignty,&#8221; I don&#8217;t ever recall ever hearing the word in any ST series or movie.  It&#8217;s based on simply preventing non-spacefaring planets from having to confront the reality of not being alone in the Universe, until those peoples themselves have the ability to travel between the between planets.  It has nothing to do with respecting or abiding by the decisions of a people, or not interefering with the decisions of a planetary government, particularly if those people are aware of space travel.  Indeed, many episodes in TOS and TNG depict the crew of the Enterprise going to lengths to change the course of an unsuspecting planet&#8217;s history, and this is considered perfectly acceptible as long as the beknighted people involved aren&#8217;t aware that there are such a thing as aliens.  The Prime Directive and &#8220;paleocon non-intervention&#8221; are two similar-sounding but quite different concepts.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 05:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Isnâ€™t the Prime Directiveâ€™s doctrine of non-interference in the affairs of (particularly underdeveloped) alien civilizations a classically paleo-con non-interventionist position?&quot;

You&#039;d have to be an extraordinarily doctrinaire non-interventionist to advocate anything like a Prime Directive approach to US foreign policy.  Non-interference in other state&#039;s domestic affairs is one thing.  A policy of deeming other states too primitive to even be graced with the knowledge that the United States exists is a bit more extreme.  Similarly, you can respect a state&#039;s desire to protect its most important industries without going further and arguing that any economic or cultural exchange at all is too dangerous to the less-powerful culture.  According to the Prime Directive it makes sense for an entire civilization, including all its people, to perish in a natural disaster, since saving anybody would halt that civilization&#039;s natural progression towards extinction.  I know paleo-conservatives aren&#039;t known for their sentimentality, but I don&#039;t think they&#039;re quite that, uh, mean.

The Prime Directive is routinely disregarded on Star Trek because it&#039;s so hard for a rational or moral person to take it seriously.  A more flexible approach (like the way the crew on TNG actually makes decisions when the Prime Directive clashes violently with common sense, morality, ethics, etc.) seems more reasonable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Isnâ€™t the Prime Directiveâ€™s doctrine of non-interference in the affairs of (particularly underdeveloped) alien civilizations a classically paleo-con non-interventionist position?&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;d have to be an extraordinarily doctrinaire non-interventionist to advocate anything like a Prime Directive approach to US foreign policy.  Non-interference in other state&#8217;s domestic affairs is one thing.  A policy of deeming other states too primitive to even be graced with the knowledge that the United States exists is a bit more extreme.  Similarly, you can respect a state&#8217;s desire to protect its most important industries without going further and arguing that any economic or cultural exchange at all is too dangerous to the less-powerful culture.  According to the Prime Directive it makes sense for an entire civilization, including all its people, to perish in a natural disaster, since saving anybody would halt that civilization&#8217;s natural progression towards extinction.  I know paleo-conservatives aren&#8217;t known for their sentimentality, but I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;re quite that, uh, mean.</p>
<p>The Prime Directive is routinely disregarded on Star Trek because it&#8217;s so hard for a rational or moral person to take it seriously.  A more flexible approach (like the way the crew on TNG actually makes decisions when the Prime Directive clashes violently with common sense, morality, ethics, etc.) seems more reasonable.</p>
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