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		<title>By: Derek Copold</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2009/04/29/the-paranoid-style/comment-page-1/#comment-31848</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek Copold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I would criticize him for his unorthodoxy (or reinterpretation of Christian tradition) and weird conspiracy theories but I am not disturbed.&lt;/i&gt;

But Wright isn&#039;t really the issue.  It&#039;s Obama who&#039;s the issue.  He was a member of the church, sat through the sermons, endorsed Wright without qualification in his first autobiography and named his second book after one of Wright&#039;s sermons.

If McCain, Palin and the GOP are to shoulder the blame for the &quot;Obama is a Muslim&quot; crowd, why shouldn&#039;t Obama get more scrutiny for his much, much closer association to this crackpot?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I would criticize him for his unorthodoxy (or reinterpretation of Christian tradition) and weird conspiracy theories but I am not disturbed.</i></p>
<p>But Wright isn&#8217;t really the issue.  It&#8217;s Obama who&#8217;s the issue.  He was a member of the church, sat through the sermons, endorsed Wright without qualification in his first autobiography and named his second book after one of Wright&#8217;s sermons.</p>
<p>If McCain, Palin and the GOP are to shoulder the blame for the &#8220;Obama is a Muslim&#8221; crowd, why shouldn&#8217;t Obama get more scrutiny for his much, much closer association to this crackpot?</p>
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		<title>By: Gordianus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordianus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect that much of the &quot;Obama is a Muslim&quot; talk is a kind of public shorthand for &quot;there is something alien about that man.&quot;   My guess is that he is a standard issue agnostic in keeping with his academic-class background.  His Chicago church of preference was probably dictated by the popularity of that church with fellow black politicians and his wife&#039;s influence.  Obama seemed genuinely miffed and a bit puzzled by the Rev. Wright controversy, as if he thought we were in on the joke.   He never took Wright seriously, how could we? 

At the risk of being inflammatory, who really takes the black clergy seriously, either theologically or morally?  In my experience, the most corrupt element in urban environments are these black religious leaders.  They are openly political, personally avaricious and most lack a deep understanding of Christian orthodox theology.   The case of &quot;Dr.&quot; King&#039;s  bogus dissertation is just the best known example of this phenomenon.  Consider the Reverend Jesse Jackson and the Reverend Al Sharpton, just how fraudulent does one have to be in order to be expelled from their confraternity?  Were it not for white guilt, most of these mountebanks would be preaching from prison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect that much of the &#8220;Obama is a Muslim&#8221; talk is a kind of public shorthand for &#8220;there is something alien about that man.&#8221;   My guess is that he is a standard issue agnostic in keeping with his academic-class background.  His Chicago church of preference was probably dictated by the popularity of that church with fellow black politicians and his wife&#8217;s influence.  Obama seemed genuinely miffed and a bit puzzled by the Rev. Wright controversy, as if he thought we were in on the joke.   He never took Wright seriously, how could we? </p>
<p>At the risk of being inflammatory, who really takes the black clergy seriously, either theologically or morally?  In my experience, the most corrupt element in urban environments are these black religious leaders.  They are openly political, personally avaricious and most lack a deep understanding of Christian orthodox theology.   The case of &#8220;Dr.&#8221; King&#8217;s  bogus dissertation is just the best known example of this phenomenon.  Consider the Reverend Jesse Jackson and the Reverend Al Sharpton, just how fraudulent does one have to be in order to be expelled from their confraternity?  Were it not for white guilt, most of these mountebanks would be preaching from prison.</p>
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		<title>By: nyx</title>
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		<dc:creator>nyx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I the only one who did not have any problem with Jeremiah Wright? Jeremiah Wright is part of the American Jeremiadic tradition. I would criticize him for his unorthodoxy (or reinterpretation of Christian tradition)  and weird conspiracy theories but I am not disturbed. I admit I was surprised that so many people were bothered last June by the greatest hits edition of Jeremiah Wright. What is so radical about his church associations anyway that one cannot find in any other black church other than its social activism?

OTOH, Obama is clearly not Muslim. I do suspect  that he is somewhat agnostic about God and religion in general. But I am not going to declare he is not a Christian until he himself renounces the Christian tradition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I the only one who did not have any problem with Jeremiah Wright? Jeremiah Wright is part of the American Jeremiadic tradition. I would criticize him for his unorthodoxy (or reinterpretation of Christian tradition)  and weird conspiracy theories but I am not disturbed. I admit I was surprised that so many people were bothered last June by the greatest hits edition of Jeremiah Wright. What is so radical about his church associations anyway that one cannot find in any other black church other than its social activism?</p>
<p>OTOH, Obama is clearly not Muslim. I do suspect  that he is somewhat agnostic about God and religion in general. But I am not going to declare he is not a Christian until he himself renounces the Christian tradition.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Copold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Copold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Daniel, as Sailer points out in the comments section, Obama&#039;s former church wasn&#039;t exactly laying down your average milquetoast liberal Protestant line.  The preacher was spreading more than a few kooky conspiracy theories himself.

So, what&#039;s more disturbing, that there&#039;s a fringe still holding onto a long discredited theory (of which there are oh so many fringes), or that our president had no problem sitting in church for two decades listening to equally bizarre conjectures from a man whose very sermon inspired the title of one of his books?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Daniel, as Sailer points out in the comments section, Obama&#8217;s former church wasn&#8217;t exactly laying down your average milquetoast liberal Protestant line.  The preacher was spreading more than a few kooky conspiracy theories himself.</p>
<p>So, what&#8217;s more disturbing, that there&#8217;s a fringe still holding onto a long discredited theory (of which there are oh so many fringes), or that our president had no problem sitting in church for two decades listening to equally bizarre conjectures from a man whose very sermon inspired the title of one of his books?</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Larison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Larison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 00:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, he is a liberal Protestant who until recently attended a UCC church.  Make of it what you will.  The remarkable thing would have been if he came out of such a background and *did* accept creedal orthodoxy.  If people have a problem with him because he is a wobbly liberal Protestant, I can understand and respect that, but at least it is based in the reality of his actual loyalties or associations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, he is a liberal Protestant who until recently attended a UCC church.  Make of it what you will.  The remarkable thing would have been if he came out of such a background and *did* accept creedal orthodoxy.  If people have a problem with him because he is a wobbly liberal Protestant, I can understand and respect that, but at least it is based in the reality of his actual loyalties or associations.</p>
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		<title>By: RedPhillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>RedPhillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 00:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Obama as Muslim meme was silly, but I would not call him a Christian necessarily either. He identifies himself as a Christian. He attends a &quot;Christian&quot; church. This is enough to make him not a Muslim. But he is on the record with statements that seem to pretty clearly indicate that he does not accept historic Christian creedal orthodoxy either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Obama as Muslim meme was silly, but I would not call him a Christian necessarily either. He identifies himself as a Christian. He attends a &#8220;Christian&#8221; church. This is enough to make him not a Muslim. But he is on the record with statements that seem to pretty clearly indicate that he does not accept historic Christian creedal orthodoxy either.</p>
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