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	<title>Comments on: Style And Substance</title>
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		<title>By: Daniel Larison</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2009/04/25/style-and-substance/comment-page-1/#comment-31668</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Larison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No doubt there is a foothold on the right for our ideas, as there has been to some extent all along, but it is a tenuous one.  It is the reflexive hawkishness and the hyper-sensitivity to any suggestion that the U.S. government may have erred in the past that worry me.  While this may not provide fertile ground for democratist fantasies, it does provide fuel for equally misguided jingoism of the &quot;get them before they can get us&quot; variety and a lot of posturing about the virtuous nature of our aggression.

I wonder whether the effects of the recession will push hawkish foreign policy to the margins.  My fear is that the mere coincidence of recession with an administration that is accused of insufficient Americanism will lead people to see economic recovery and the &quot;recovery&quot; of national pride as being somehow linked.  This is why the hawks are leaning so hard on the Carter comparisons right now, regardless of the flaws in these comparisons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No doubt there is a foothold on the right for our ideas, as there has been to some extent all along, but it is a tenuous one.  It is the reflexive hawkishness and the hyper-sensitivity to any suggestion that the U.S. government may have erred in the past that worry me.  While this may not provide fertile ground for democratist fantasies, it does provide fuel for equally misguided jingoism of the &#8220;get them before they can get us&#8221; variety and a lot of posturing about the virtuous nature of our aggression.</p>
<p>I wonder whether the effects of the recession will push hawkish foreign policy to the margins.  My fear is that the mere coincidence of recession with an administration that is accused of insufficient Americanism will lead people to see economic recovery and the &#8220;recovery&#8221; of national pride as being somehow linked.  This is why the hawks are leaning so hard on the Carter comparisons right now, regardless of the flaws in these comparisons.</p>
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		<title>By: RedPhillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>RedPhillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is really frustrating is reading the comments below the article. So many people, liberal and conservative, can&#039;t get beyond the conservative = interventionist paradigm. Know-nothings calling Bacevich a liberal really take the cake.

But I am more hopeful than you Daniel. Criticism of Obama&#039;s alleged lack of hawkishness will drive some conservative critics to more extreme hawkishness, but non-intervention has really established a foothold on the right. Look at the comments on mainstream conservative sites. Where non-interventionism used to never be heard, it is now common. And it clearly represents a more thoughtful and intelligent element. While reflexive hawkishness is still common, there is very little of the grand making the world safe for democracy schemes of the past. Still a lot of America as the indispensible nation talk, but more passive and less active. So not giving up ground but few calls to take new ground.

The long term problem is that the two visions are largely incompatible. There is very little room for consensus in the middle. So there is likely to be essentially two rights for some time to come. Hopefully in the long run, the non-interventionist will triumph and will become the new consensus and the hawks will fade away. Our domestic economic problems make this more likely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is really frustrating is reading the comments below the article. So many people, liberal and conservative, can&#8217;t get beyond the conservative = interventionist paradigm. Know-nothings calling Bacevich a liberal really take the cake.</p>
<p>But I am more hopeful than you Daniel. Criticism of Obama&#8217;s alleged lack of hawkishness will drive some conservative critics to more extreme hawkishness, but non-intervention has really established a foothold on the right. Look at the comments on mainstream conservative sites. Where non-interventionism used to never be heard, it is now common. And it clearly represents a more thoughtful and intelligent element. While reflexive hawkishness is still common, there is very little of the grand making the world safe for democracy schemes of the past. Still a lot of America as the indispensible nation talk, but more passive and less active. So not giving up ground but few calls to take new ground.</p>
<p>The long term problem is that the two visions are largely incompatible. There is very little room for consensus in the middle. So there is likely to be essentially two rights for some time to come. Hopefully in the long run, the non-interventionist will triumph and will become the new consensus and the hawks will fade away. Our domestic economic problems make this more likely.</p>
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		<title>By: jeaeva</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2009/04/25/style-and-substance/comment-page-1/#comment-31631</link>
		<dc:creator>jeaeva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 19:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should we investigate the torture or look to the future?  Or should it just be disregarded?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should we investigate the torture or look to the future?  Or should it just be disregarded?</p>
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		<title>By: Cord</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 02:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bacevich addressed Congress a few days ago. Here&#039;s an excerpt on &quot;the long war.&quot; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7qehyavdBc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bacevich addressed Congress a few days ago. Here&#8217;s an excerpt on &#8220;the long war.&#8221; <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7qehyavdBc" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7qehyavdBc</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sean S.</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2009/04/25/style-and-substance/comment-page-1/#comment-31627</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 21:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>His way of applying the large cudgel he&#039;s inherited will not doubt be smarter in a tactical and strategic way, but he will choose to wield it nonetheless. As evidenced by the appointment of Susan Rice and Samantha Power, American intervention will no doubt increase in the one region that most people are least likely to recognize as &quot;strategically important&quot; to use that parlance; Africa. The creation of AFRICOM combined with the issues of piracy and the unresolved business of Somalia, will no doubt create a powerful impetus to intervene.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His way of applying the large cudgel he&#8217;s inherited will not doubt be smarter in a tactical and strategic way, but he will choose to wield it nonetheless. As evidenced by the appointment of Susan Rice and Samantha Power, American intervention will no doubt increase in the one region that most people are least likely to recognize as &#8220;strategically important&#8221; to use that parlance; Africa. The creation of AFRICOM combined with the issues of piracy and the unresolved business of Somalia, will no doubt create a powerful impetus to intervene.</p>
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