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		<title>By: ottovbvs</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2009/03/26/absurdities-of-the-drug-war/comment-page-1/#comment-31179</link>
		<dc:creator>ottovbvs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth I sense the ground shifting on the whole issue of drug use. The reasons are various. Changing demographics, a growing public recognition that demand is creating all sorts of problems for us in Mexico or Afghanistan, Bush admin over-reach raiding the homes of cancer sufferers, a bloated prison population and street crime which can be traced to a failing war on drugs, and so on. Gradually the light is coming on that morality is a poor basis for tackling this issue. Obviously pot is a soft drug with all kinds of medicinal benefits. It&#039;s openly sold in some states. It&#039;s going to happen at the state level to begin with watched at a distance by a federal govt that will be non interventionist on the matter. I&#039;m expecting to see major moves in the direction of legalization and use over the next few years. Once there is widespread legalization of marijuana can it be long before this whole issue is opened up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth I sense the ground shifting on the whole issue of drug use. The reasons are various. Changing demographics, a growing public recognition that demand is creating all sorts of problems for us in Mexico or Afghanistan, Bush admin over-reach raiding the homes of cancer sufferers, a bloated prison population and street crime which can be traced to a failing war on drugs, and so on. Gradually the light is coming on that morality is a poor basis for tackling this issue. Obviously pot is a soft drug with all kinds of medicinal benefits. It&#8217;s openly sold in some states. It&#8217;s going to happen at the state level to begin with watched at a distance by a federal govt that will be non interventionist on the matter. I&#8217;m expecting to see major moves in the direction of legalization and use over the next few years. Once there is widespread legalization of marijuana can it be long before this whole issue is opened up.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 09:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand your reasoning as to why you think this &quot;marginal&quot; issue and its &quot;marginal&quot; political forces can&#039;t or won&#039;t be taken seriously by the public and the government. All surveys and studies I&#039;ve ever come across state that there are more marijuana users in this country than there are gay and lesbians, and yet as much as you are opposed to gay marriage it is being taken seriously and becoming legal one state at a time. I really see no difference with marijuana use, and see things like Obama&#039;s DOJ decision, and Michigan&#039;s  and Massachusetts&#039;s voter-approved laws as more small steps towards increasingly more rational drug laws.

As for that &quot;larger constituency that regards criminalization as an intolerable imposition on one of their preferences&quot;, I think it already exists. When half of our yearly drug arrests are for marijuana, and most of those are for only possession, the numbers will add up to at least 6,000,000 arrests for marijuana possession this decade. In fact, in every year since 2003 more people have been arrested for marijuana possession than for violent crimes. If that&#039;s not &quot;enough people directly inconvenienced or hassled by the criminalization of the drug to make politicians pay any price for supporting the status quo&quot;, then I&#039;d like to know what number of people would be enough?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand your reasoning as to why you think this &#8220;marginal&#8221; issue and its &#8220;marginal&#8221; political forces can&#8217;t or won&#8217;t be taken seriously by the public and the government. All surveys and studies I&#8217;ve ever come across state that there are more marijuana users in this country than there are gay and lesbians, and yet as much as you are opposed to gay marriage it is being taken seriously and becoming legal one state at a time. I really see no difference with marijuana use, and see things like Obama&#8217;s DOJ decision, and Michigan&#8217;s  and Massachusetts&#8217;s voter-approved laws as more small steps towards increasingly more rational drug laws.</p>
<p>As for that &#8220;larger constituency that regards criminalization as an intolerable imposition on one of their preferences&#8221;, I think it already exists. When half of our yearly drug arrests are for marijuana, and most of those are for only possession, the numbers will add up to at least 6,000,000 arrests for marijuana possession this decade. In fact, in every year since 2003 more people have been arrested for marijuana possession than for violent crimes. If that&#8217;s not &#8220;enough people directly inconvenienced or hassled by the criminalization of the drug to make politicians pay any price for supporting the status quo&#8221;, then I&#8217;d like to know what number of people would be enough?</p>
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		<title>By: Kup</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s somewhat frustrating that the debate is still, in so many regards, stuck where it was 30 or 40 years ago.  IMO, the debate should be on what distribution system is best for the country or, more to the point, which group you want to empower with the profits from the drug trade.  We, as a nation, have chosen to empower criminals which is probably the least optimum solution.  

The other three options are we could empower the government to distribute the drugs, we could empower businesses to sell the drugs or, the approach I favor, is we could empower non-profit agencies specifically set up for drug manufacturing/distribution with all resulting &quot;profits&quot; being poured back into rehabilitation programs and drug education programs.

As a conservative I don&#039;t want to empower criminals, nor do I want to empower our government.  And because drugs are different than apples or candy or cars I think we should treat them differently than other products.  Removing the profit from drug sales is the least bad option.

As a bonus we won&#039;t fund terrorist, narco-terrorits, drug cartels, gangs, police corruption, etc.  It&#039;s time to have a serious debate and get past the legalize, decriminalize debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s somewhat frustrating that the debate is still, in so many regards, stuck where it was 30 or 40 years ago.  IMO, the debate should be on what distribution system is best for the country or, more to the point, which group you want to empower with the profits from the drug trade.  We, as a nation, have chosen to empower criminals which is probably the least optimum solution.  </p>
<p>The other three options are we could empower the government to distribute the drugs, we could empower businesses to sell the drugs or, the approach I favor, is we could empower non-profit agencies specifically set up for drug manufacturing/distribution with all resulting &#8220;profits&#8221; being poured back into rehabilitation programs and drug education programs.</p>
<p>As a conservative I don&#8217;t want to empower criminals, nor do I want to empower our government.  And because drugs are different than apples or candy or cars I think we should treat them differently than other products.  Removing the profit from drug sales is the least bad option.</p>
<p>As a bonus we won&#8217;t fund terrorist, narco-terrorits, drug cartels, gangs, police corruption, etc.  It&#8217;s time to have a serious debate and get past the legalize, decriminalize debate.</p>
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		<title>By: young_and_small_c</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;...there are relatively few people who would use the drug once legalized who do not already use &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I would point out, as an individual who became a very regular pot smoker in adulthood, that it&#039;s not the health effects that often prevent people from using the (honestly) wonderful drug, it&#039;s the pain and hassle of scoring. 

Legalization would make it much easier (and safer) to obtain the drug. Since, as all us stoners know, it&#039;s access that limits smoking, not price, there are likely to be a lot of new users who aren&#039;t even considering it now, because they don&#039;t know how to get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8230;there are relatively few people who would use the drug once legalized who do not already use </p></blockquote>
<p>I would point out, as an individual who became a very regular pot smoker in adulthood, that it&#8217;s not the health effects that often prevent people from using the (honestly) wonderful drug, it&#8217;s the pain and hassle of scoring. </p>
<p>Legalization would make it much easier (and safer) to obtain the drug. Since, as all us stoners know, it&#8217;s access that limits smoking, not price, there are likely to be a lot of new users who aren&#8217;t even considering it now, because they don&#8217;t know how to get it.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The irony of legalization is that it would probably lead to such a small increase in use of the drug that there is no large, untapped base of support to make support for continued criminalization a political liability.&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s probably a good description of the current political situation.  And if pot&#039;s just decrminalized I agree that there might not be much of an increase in use.  But if it&#039;s full-on legalized I could see marijuana cultivation and retailing turning into a gigantic Madison Avenue-backed industry.  In that scenario I&#039;d imagine pot use would increase significantly.  It&#039;s a big cash crop in several states as it is; I&#039;d imagine that a legal pot industry might wield a lot of political and economic clout in certain parts of the country.

&lt;i&gt;This is because this kind of argument unintentionally reproduces the stigma against the drug and effectively endorses one of the key claims that supporters of criminalization make.&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s always turned me off simply because it seems so dishonest and insulting to everyone&#039;s intelligence.  Woody Harrelson, I believe you should be able to smoke a few joints every once in a while (or, even, to smoke a lot of joints all the time).  But, for God&#039;s sake, don&#039;t insult my intelligence and pretend that your fight for marijuana legalization is motivated by your concern over America&#039;s shocking lack of quality hemp-based yoga pants and messenger bags.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The irony of legalization is that it would probably lead to such a small increase in use of the drug that there is no large, untapped base of support to make support for continued criminalization a political liability.</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s probably a good description of the current political situation.  And if pot&#8217;s just decrminalized I agree that there might not be much of an increase in use.  But if it&#8217;s full-on legalized I could see marijuana cultivation and retailing turning into a gigantic Madison Avenue-backed industry.  In that scenario I&#8217;d imagine pot use would increase significantly.  It&#8217;s a big cash crop in several states as it is; I&#8217;d imagine that a legal pot industry might wield a lot of political and economic clout in certain parts of the country.</p>
<p><i>This is because this kind of argument unintentionally reproduces the stigma against the drug and effectively endorses one of the key claims that supporters of criminalization make.</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s always turned me off simply because it seems so dishonest and insulting to everyone&#8217;s intelligence.  Woody Harrelson, I believe you should be able to smoke a few joints every once in a while (or, even, to smoke a lot of joints all the time).  But, for God&#8217;s sake, don&#8217;t insult my intelligence and pretend that your fight for marijuana legalization is motivated by your concern over America&#8217;s shocking lack of quality hemp-based yoga pants and messenger bags.</p>
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		<title>By: bayesian</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2009/03/26/absurdities-of-the-drug-war/comment-page-1/#comment-31141</link>
		<dc:creator>bayesian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 03:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I canâ€™t think of another situation whether advocates of legalizing something are so embarrassed by the people who use the thing they want legalized.&quot;

[legalization of] Prostitution comes immediately to mind, though perhaps a distinction should be made in that case between the [icky] thing/activity itself whose legalization some might foolishly advocate, and those pillars of the republic who might in repeated moments of weakness fall to the blandishments of the purveyors of said icky things/activities.  Senator Vitter, your wife is calling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I canâ€™t think of another situation whether advocates of legalizing something are so embarrassed by the people who use the thing they want legalized.&#8221;</p>
<p>[legalization of] Prostitution comes immediately to mind, though perhaps a distinction should be made in that case between the [icky] thing/activity itself whose legalization some might foolishly advocate, and those pillars of the republic who might in repeated moments of weakness fall to the blandishments of the purveyors of said icky things/activities.  Senator Vitter, your wife is calling.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Larison</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2009/03/26/absurdities-of-the-drug-war/comment-page-1/#comment-31133</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Larison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True, but I think that detail should be part of the regular response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, but I think that detail should be part of the regular response.</p>
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		<title>By: E.D. Kain</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2009/03/26/absurdities-of-the-drug-war/comment-page-1/#comment-31132</link>
		<dc:creator>E.D. Kain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then again, there are many, many pot-smokers who would not self-identify as stoners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then again, there are many, many pot-smokers who would not self-identify as stoners.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Larison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Larison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should have been more clear.  You did avoid doing that for the most part, but I suppose my larger point is that &quot;stoners&quot; are a large part of the constituency in favor of legalization.  One of the reasons why it is so easy for politicians to dismiss concerns about criminalization is that there is not enough resistance to the idea that something &quot;stoners&quot; want can be and is worth taking seriously as a matter of personal preference.  I can&#039;t think of another situation whether advocates of legalizing something are so embarrassed by the people who use the thing they want legalized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should have been more clear.  You did avoid doing that for the most part, but I suppose my larger point is that &#8220;stoners&#8221; are a large part of the constituency in favor of legalization.  One of the reasons why it is so easy for politicians to dismiss concerns about criminalization is that there is not enough resistance to the idea that something &#8220;stoners&#8221; want can be and is worth taking seriously as a matter of personal preference.  I can&#8217;t think of another situation whether advocates of legalizing something are so embarrassed by the people who use the thing they want legalized.</p>
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		<title>By: Freddie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought I had resisted the temptation to do that, but perhaps not. Oh well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought I had resisted the temptation to do that, but perhaps not. Oh well.</p>
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