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		<title>By: David Tomlin</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2009/03/06/part-of-the-problem-2/comment-page-1/#comment-30615</link>
		<dc:creator>David Tomlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 00:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel Larison:

&lt;i&gt;In general, people prefer tax cuts, I agree, but then why havenâ€™t we seen payroll tax cuts at the top of their agenda and pushed on a daily basis as part of an alternative stimulus bill? For the most part, they remain wedded to changing marginal income and capital gains taxes.&lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t know, but I would guess that the latter types of cut are most favored by the party&#039;s donor base. Politics needs money as well as votes, and donors have the public choice advantage of being a more concentrated and informed group. 

There&#039;s also the problem Jetan alluded to with regard to the Democrats. Payroll taxes are linked to the fiction that Social Security and Medicare are forms of insurance. Theoretically these taxes aren&#039;t even taxes. 

For Republican lawmakers to get together on an &#039;alternative stimulus&#039; seems attractive at first. But wouldn&#039;t hammering out all the compromises require a lot of staff work for something that certainly won&#039;t pass and probably won&#039;t even be voted on? Do American parties in opposition usually do that kind of thing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel Larison:</p>
<p><i>In general, people prefer tax cuts, I agree, but then why havenâ€™t we seen payroll tax cuts at the top of their agenda and pushed on a daily basis as part of an alternative stimulus bill? For the most part, they remain wedded to changing marginal income and capital gains taxes.</i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know, but I would guess that the latter types of cut are most favored by the party&#8217;s donor base. Politics needs money as well as votes, and donors have the public choice advantage of being a more concentrated and informed group. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s also the problem Jetan alluded to with regard to the Democrats. Payroll taxes are linked to the fiction that Social Security and Medicare are forms of insurance. Theoretically these taxes aren&#8217;t even taxes. </p>
<p>For Republican lawmakers to get together on an &#8216;alternative stimulus&#8217; seems attractive at first. But wouldn&#8217;t hammering out all the compromises require a lot of staff work for something that certainly won&#8217;t pass and probably won&#8217;t even be voted on? Do American parties in opposition usually do that kind of thing?</p>
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		<title>By: David Tomlin</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2009/03/06/part-of-the-problem-2/comment-page-1/#comment-30609</link>
		<dc:creator>David Tomlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 02:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Editing my last comment, I inadvertently deleted a parenthetical remark that I don&#039;t consider &#039;protectionist&#039; a pejorative term, as some apparently do. To me it seems a perfectly neutral descriptor, and really the best term for the concept.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Editing my last comment, I inadvertently deleted a parenthetical remark that I don&#8217;t consider &#8216;protectionist&#8217; a pejorative term, as some apparently do. To me it seems a perfectly neutral descriptor, and really the best term for the concept.</p>
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		<title>By: David Tomlin</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2009/03/06/part-of-the-problem-2/comment-page-1/#comment-30608</link>
		<dc:creator>David Tomlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 01:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I respectfully suggest that if you believe the GOPâ€™s trade policy is popular . . . &lt;/i&gt;

I didn&#039;t say &#039;popular&#039;. I said &#039;[not] especially unpopular with swing voters.&#039; The difference matters.

Yes/no poll questions are of limited value. They don&#039;t tell us how people prioritize issues, or what will move their votes.

My point is that the GOP&#039;s electoral fortunes have been mostly the results of Iraq, Katrina, and the recession. Recent increases in protectionist sentiment may have contributed in some geographical areas. But there is no need for people who oppose protection on policy grounds to go running to embrace it out of electoral panic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I respectfully suggest that if you believe the GOPâ€™s trade policy is popular . . . </i></p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t say &#8216;popular&#8217;. I said &#8216;[not] especially unpopular with swing voters.&#8217; The difference matters.</p>
<p>Yes/no poll questions are of limited value. They don&#8217;t tell us how people prioritize issues, or what will move their votes.</p>
<p>My point is that the GOP&#8217;s electoral fortunes have been mostly the results of Iraq, Katrina, and the recession. Recent increases in protectionist sentiment may have contributed in some geographical areas. But there is no need for people who oppose protection on policy grounds to go running to embrace it out of electoral panic.</p>
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		<title>By: David Tomlin</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2009/03/06/part-of-the-problem-2/comment-page-1/#comment-30604</link>
		<dc:creator>David Tomlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 23:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel Larison:

&lt;i&gt;I should acknowledge that Paul Ryan has specifically raised this issue and made a proposal for the GOP to argue for a sound money policy, albeit not one tied to gold if I understood correctly. &lt;/i&gt;

Thank you.

Sound policy is more important than a tie to gold. In the 1970s a tie to gold didn&#039;t prevent inflation. Inflation eventually killed the tie to gold. Even in its heyday, the &#039;gold standard&#039; didn&#039;t prevent the government from using fractional reserve banking to manipulate the money supply.

Monetary policy is in the stratospheric ozone for the average voter. I would be delighted if the conservative movement would rediscover Milton Friedman, but that&#039;s not what will get the Republican Party back into power.

Jetan:

&lt;i&gt;Judging our monetary policy, if we can call it that, by temporary fluctuations in partisan electoral results is nothing short of unhinged.&lt;/i&gt;

I agree. In this context, however, the point is a strawman, and moreover concedes the actual point at issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel Larison:</p>
<p><i>I should acknowledge that Paul Ryan has specifically raised this issue and made a proposal for the GOP to argue for a sound money policy, albeit not one tied to gold if I understood correctly. </i></p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
<p>Sound policy is more important than a tie to gold. In the 1970s a tie to gold didn&#8217;t prevent inflation. Inflation eventually killed the tie to gold. Even in its heyday, the &#8216;gold standard&#8217; didn&#8217;t prevent the government from using fractional reserve banking to manipulate the money supply.</p>
<p>Monetary policy is in the stratospheric ozone for the average voter. I would be delighted if the conservative movement would rediscover Milton Friedman, but that&#8217;s not what will get the Republican Party back into power.</p>
<p>Jetan:</p>
<p><i>Judging our monetary policy, if we can call it that, by temporary fluctuations in partisan electoral results is nothing short of unhinged.</i></p>
<p>I agree. In this context, however, the point is a strawman, and moreover concedes the actual point at issue.</p>
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		<title>By: jetan</title>
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		<dc:creator>jetan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back when interest rates were very high -the Paul Volcker/ Ronald Reagan days that everyone says they are so nostalgic for, though they would freak out if they actually had to do it again - I remember Bob Novak prosletyzing  in favor of low interest rates and scourging &quot;those cowardly bond holders&quot; who were understandably concerned that the then rampant inflation would eat their profits, if not their principle (I think that this when Larry Kudlow came to prominence, as well).

Obviously, Novak and Kudlow got their wish and the now almost meaningless Dow and S&amp;P zoomed.- this in spite of not adding one iota of value to the American economy or, as we are now all too aware, to any of the companies that were traded on those exchanges. If I traded you a share of GM for a share of Anaconda Copper, at least the share certificate of AC would have some historic value.

Even now, we see hacks - not to name names (Glassman, Kudlow,  Cramer, Santeli) -still trying to flog their produce even though it is depressingly clear to all that their wares are long past their sell-by date.

I quite agree that the payroll tax cut would be both wildly popular and very stimulative. So much so that it is a mystery why Democrats haven&#039;t embraced it. I suppose they are afraid of the Republicans getting their nose under the tent of Social Security.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back when interest rates were very high -the Paul Volcker/ Ronald Reagan days that everyone says they are so nostalgic for, though they would freak out if they actually had to do it again &#8211; I remember Bob Novak prosletyzing  in favor of low interest rates and scourging &#8220;those cowardly bond holders&#8221; who were understandably concerned that the then rampant inflation would eat their profits, if not their principle (I think that this when Larry Kudlow came to prominence, as well).</p>
<p>Obviously, Novak and Kudlow got their wish and the now almost meaningless Dow and S&amp;P zoomed.- this in spite of not adding one iota of value to the American economy or, as we are now all too aware, to any of the companies that were traded on those exchanges. If I traded you a share of GM for a share of Anaconda Copper, at least the share certificate of AC would have some historic value.</p>
<p>Even now, we see hacks &#8211; not to name names (Glassman, Kudlow,  Cramer, Santeli) -still trying to flog their produce even though it is depressingly clear to all that their wares are long past their sell-by date.</p>
<p>I quite agree that the payroll tax cut would be both wildly popular and very stimulative. So much so that it is a mystery why Democrats haven&#8217;t embraced it. I suppose they are afraid of the Republicans getting their nose under the tent of Social Security.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Larison</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2009/03/06/part-of-the-problem-2/comment-page-1/#comment-30598</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Larison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 16:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s true that very few people talk about monetary policy, but as jetan says we are going to be paying the price for this indifference to irresponsible easy money policies.  I should acknowledge that Paul Ryan has specifically raised this issue and made a proposal for the GOP to argue for a sound money policy, albeit not one tied to gold if I understood correctly.  The point is that an imaginative and serious party would pay attention to the damage monetary policy has done and continues to do, and they would argue for something else.  That&#039;s the sort of substantive, but boring work that the radio hosts aren&#039;t going to do and shouldn&#039;t be expected to do.  However, aside from Ron Paul and Paul Ryan, though, I don&#039;t know of anyone doing that.

I respectfully suggest that if you believe the GOP&#039;s trade policy is popular, you have been misinformed.  Like many other things, it is popular with many people inside the party, but free trade and globalization generally are viewed negatively by at least half the country and have been for several years.  In general, people prefer tax cuts, I agree, but then why haven&#039;t we seen payroll tax cuts at the top of their agenda and pushed on a daily basis as part of an alternative stimulus bill?  For the most part, they remain wedded to changing marginal income and capital gains taxes.  That&#039;s what I&#039;m talking about when I say they are standing pat on tax policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s true that very few people talk about monetary policy, but as jetan says we are going to be paying the price for this indifference to irresponsible easy money policies.  I should acknowledge that Paul Ryan has specifically raised this issue and made a proposal for the GOP to argue for a sound money policy, albeit not one tied to gold if I understood correctly.  The point is that an imaginative and serious party would pay attention to the damage monetary policy has done and continues to do, and they would argue for something else.  That&#8217;s the sort of substantive, but boring work that the radio hosts aren&#8217;t going to do and shouldn&#8217;t be expected to do.  However, aside from Ron Paul and Paul Ryan, though, I don&#8217;t know of anyone doing that.</p>
<p>I respectfully suggest that if you believe the GOP&#8217;s trade policy is popular, you have been misinformed.  Like many other things, it is popular with many people inside the party, but free trade and globalization generally are viewed negatively by at least half the country and have been for several years.  In general, people prefer tax cuts, I agree, but then why haven&#8217;t we seen payroll tax cuts at the top of their agenda and pushed on a daily basis as part of an alternative stimulus bill?  For the most part, they remain wedded to changing marginal income and capital gains taxes.  That&#8217;s what I&#8217;m talking about when I say they are standing pat on tax policy.</p>
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		<title>By: jetan</title>
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		<dc:creator>jetan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 13:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are about to hear a hell of a lot about monetary policy, when we take the double-hit of decades of artificially low interest rates and insane amounts of national and personal debt. These will lead, quite unavoidably, to either mad inflation or a massive default. It really is Economics 101. Our bipartisan national denial of this reality reminds me of the frozen, deer-in-the-headlights stance of the Renaissance Popes. I will be amazed if we can stall this denouement for even a decade. Judging our monetary policy, if we can call it that, by temporary fluctuations in partisan electoral results is nothing short of unhinged.
Having raved about that, I feel the need to again suck up to our host. His posts are usually intelligent, but this one borders on the profound insofar as it touches on the substitution of a puerile but complex theology for real thought on the part of much of the GOP. The putative left also has it&#039;s foolish orthodoxies,of course, but at the moment those appear to be working for them, whereas nobody believes that the hoary shibboleths of the right have any traction at all.
Sorry for the mixed metaphor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are about to hear a hell of a lot about monetary policy, when we take the double-hit of decades of artificially low interest rates and insane amounts of national and personal debt. These will lead, quite unavoidably, to either mad inflation or a massive default. It really is Economics 101. Our bipartisan national denial of this reality reminds me of the frozen, deer-in-the-headlights stance of the Renaissance Popes. I will be amazed if we can stall this denouement for even a decade. Judging our monetary policy, if we can call it that, by temporary fluctuations in partisan electoral results is nothing short of unhinged.<br />
Having raved about that, I feel the need to again suck up to our host. His posts are usually intelligent, but this one borders on the profound insofar as it touches on the substitution of a puerile but complex theology for real thought on the part of much of the GOP. The putative left also has it&#8217;s foolish orthodoxies,of course, but at the moment those appear to be working for them, whereas nobody believes that the hoary shibboleths of the right have any traction at all.<br />
Sorry for the mixed metaphor.</p>
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		<title>By: David Tomlin</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2009/03/06/part-of-the-problem-2/comment-page-1/#comment-30592</link>
		<dc:creator>David Tomlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 07:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;However, this lack of re-examination on foreign policy is mirrored in conservative economics, where the goal seems to be to stand pat on tax, trade and monetary policy.&lt;/i&gt;

Monetary policy? Besides Ron Paul, does anyone of prominence even talk about monetary policy? 

Republican tax and trade policies didn&#039;t cause the recession, nor are they in themselves especially unpopular with swing voters. Bush wouldn&#039;t have won a second term if they were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>However, this lack of re-examination on foreign policy is mirrored in conservative economics, where the goal seems to be to stand pat on tax, trade and monetary policy.</i></p>
<p>Monetary policy? Besides Ron Paul, does anyone of prominence even talk about monetary policy? </p>
<p>Republican tax and trade policies didn&#8217;t cause the recession, nor are they in themselves especially unpopular with swing voters. Bush wouldn&#8217;t have won a second term if they were.</p>
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		<title>By: David Tomlin</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2009/03/06/part-of-the-problem-2/comment-page-1/#comment-30590</link>
		<dc:creator>David Tomlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 06:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;There seems to have been no fundamental re-examination of anything related to national security and foreign policy, and this is a blind spot that afflicts reform conservatives and their more conventional counterparts.&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s natural for grassroots Democrats to blame the Iraq war on right-wing devils, on Bush and Cheney and the neo-cons. But that ignores some important history. A majority of Senate Democrats backed the war, and so did foreign policy luminaries of the Clinton administration like Madeline Albright and Richard Holbrooke. Kenneth Pollack wrote a book supporting the war.

So, what kind of re-examination can we expect? Are conservatives to be less bellicose toward a perceived enemy of American than Democratic foreign policy wonks?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>There seems to have been no fundamental re-examination of anything related to national security and foreign policy, and this is a blind spot that afflicts reform conservatives and their more conventional counterparts.</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s natural for grassroots Democrats to blame the Iraq war on right-wing devils, on Bush and Cheney and the neo-cons. But that ignores some important history. A majority of Senate Democrats backed the war, and so did foreign policy luminaries of the Clinton administration like Madeline Albright and Richard Holbrooke. Kenneth Pollack wrote a book supporting the war.</p>
<p>So, what kind of re-examination can we expect? Are conservatives to be less bellicose toward a perceived enemy of American than Democratic foreign policy wonks?</p>
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		<title>By: David Tomlin</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2009/03/06/part-of-the-problem-2/comment-page-1/#comment-30589</link>
		<dc:creator>David Tomlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 06:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Inexplicably, when it comes to Iraq the idea that the â€œsurgeâ€ was successful remains the prevailing and popular one on the right, when the truth is very different.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m not so sure anyone knows the overall &#039;truth&#039; of Iraqi politics, including those in the thick of it. When I hear the Maliki has arrested some Sunni leaders, I don&#039;t know if that means he is trying to crush the Sunni completely and they will soon rise up again, or that he is cutting deals with some Sunni leaders and suppressing their rivals. If Maliki ultimately succeeds in consolidating power, the surge could well be judged a success. (I&#039;m being a devil&#039;s advocate, as I opposed both the Iraq war and the surge.)

The popular view on the right is hardly inexplicable. (Am I taking you too literally again?) Few Americans care about Iraqi politics. If American casualties are minimal, then the anti-American bad guys must have been defeated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Inexplicably, when it comes to Iraq the idea that the â€œsurgeâ€ was successful remains the prevailing and popular one on the right, when the truth is very different.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not so sure anyone knows the overall &#8216;truth&#8217; of Iraqi politics, including those in the thick of it. When I hear the Maliki has arrested some Sunni leaders, I don&#8217;t know if that means he is trying to crush the Sunni completely and they will soon rise up again, or that he is cutting deals with some Sunni leaders and suppressing their rivals. If Maliki ultimately succeeds in consolidating power, the surge could well be judged a success. (I&#8217;m being a devil&#8217;s advocate, as I opposed both the Iraq war and the surge.)</p>
<p>The popular view on the right is hardly inexplicable. (Am I taking you too literally again?) Few Americans care about Iraqi politics. If American casualties are minimal, then the anti-American bad guys must have been defeated.</p>
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