Comments on: The Alternative http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2009/01/19/the-alternative/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-alternative n. the principle of good order<br /><br /> "Observe the strange inversion of all order and sense! Dignity debased; how vilely is the function of a consul prostituted!" ~The Craftsman Fri, 10 Feb 2012 02:25:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: locutas http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2009/01/19/the-alternative/comment-page-1/#comment-29846 locutas Tue, 20 Jan 2009 22:51:07 +0000 http://www.amconmag.com/larison/?p=8158#comment-29846 Ralph Peters writes that UN aid prevents Palestinians from going to school. I'd like to introduce Colonel Peters to some Palestinian children who have a hard time getting to school because of <a href="http://cpt.org/files/Palestine-School-Accompaniment-Report-2006-2008-Dangerous-Journey.pdf" rel="nofollow">routine violence by extremist settlers</a>, violence severe enough to qualify as slow-motion ethnic cleansing. Perhaps it suits some people to believe that the Palestinian people have no barriers to self-development except those they create for themselves, but I and colleagues of mine whom settlers have beaten within an inch of their lives know otherwise. Ralph Peters writes that UN aid prevents Palestinians from going to school. I’d like to introduce Colonel Peters to some Palestinian children who have a hard time getting to school because of routine violence by extremist settlers, violence severe enough to qualify as slow-motion ethnic cleansing. Perhaps it suits some people to believe that the Palestinian people have no barriers to self-development except those they create for themselves, but I and colleagues of mine whom settlers have beaten within an inch of their lives know otherwise.

]]> By: KXB http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2009/01/19/the-alternative/comment-page-1/#comment-29837 KXB Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:13:25 +0000 http://www.amconmag.com/larison/?p=8158#comment-29837 Also, India knows that should a military conflict with Pakistan go really bad really fast, the U.S. will not bail it out. Israel has been coddled by GWB's administration so much, they felt less restraint. Also, India knows that should a military conflict with Pakistan go really bad really fast, the U.S. will not bail it out. Israel has been coddled by GWB’s administration so much, they felt less restraint.

]]> By: KXB http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2009/01/19/the-alternative/comment-page-1/#comment-29836 KXB Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:00:35 +0000 http://www.amconmag.com/larison/?p=8158#comment-29836 There is another side to the India/Israel comparison, that is a bit more sympathetic to Israel's position. Israel can look at India, and see a nation which does have a greater military and economy than the weaker Pakistan, but yet finds itself constrained in its retaliation. While India, with over a billion people, may be able to withstand periodic shocks to the system, Israelis may believe that their nation of 6 million or so cannot. They do not want to see their own Pakistan, a nuclear-armed Iran, come into being. Such a nation may find itself safely behind a nuclear shield, and free to increase aid to Hezbollah and Hamas. But, the Israelis consistently believe that overwhelming military force is the way to prevent that, rather than some sort of political settlement. The Israelis actually have more wiggle room with Iran than India does with Pakistan. They do not share a border, there is no territorial dispute. What Iran seeks is no regime change, and an acknowledgment that a nation of 70 million, which has played a prominent role in the Middle East for centuries. There is another side to the India/Israel comparison, that is a bit more sympathetic to Israel’s position. Israel can look at India, and see a nation which does have a greater military and economy than the weaker Pakistan, but yet finds itself constrained in its retaliation. While India, with over a billion people, may be able to withstand periodic shocks to the system, Israelis may believe that their nation of 6 million or so cannot. They do not want to see their own Pakistan, a nuclear-armed Iran, come into being. Such a nation may find itself safely behind a nuclear shield, and free to increase aid to Hezbollah and Hamas. But, the Israelis consistently believe that overwhelming military force is the way to prevent that, rather than some sort of political settlement. The Israelis actually have more wiggle room with Iran than India does with Pakistan. They do not share a border, there is no territorial dispute. What Iran seeks is no regime change, and an acknowledgment that a nation of 70 million, which has played a prominent role in the Middle East for centuries.

]]> By: Grumpy Old Man http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2009/01/19/the-alternative/comment-page-1/#comment-29832 Grumpy Old Man Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:02:12 +0000 http://www.amconmag.com/larison/?p=8158#comment-29832 Our money and weapons are facilitating this slaughter. Benign neglect would make more sense if we weren't up to our elbows in this mess. Our money and weapons are facilitating this slaughter.

Benign neglect would make more sense if we weren’t up to our elbows in this mess.

]]> By: soitissaid http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2009/01/19/the-alternative/comment-page-1/#comment-29829 soitissaid Tue, 20 Jan 2009 05:58:16 +0000 http://www.amconmag.com/larison/?p=8158#comment-29829 Well said. I have long considered the unequal power as being a central factor in Israel v. Palestine, but the India v. Pakistan analogy really brings that home. "the same ones who do not so much as blink at the blockading of over a million people from the outside world for years. The former is outrageous aggression, you see, while the other is so perfectly acceptable that it need not even be mentioned in discussing the current round of fighting." Worse than "not mentioned," the blockading of the people is called a "full withdrawal" by Israel conducted to allow Palestinians "self-rule" in order to "build their state." Rubbish! Well said. I have long considered the unequal power as being a central factor in Israel v. Palestine, but the India v. Pakistan analogy really brings that home.

“the same ones who do not so much as blink at the blockading of over a million people from the outside world for years. The former is outrageous aggression, you see, while the other is so perfectly acceptable that it need not even be mentioned in discussing the current round of fighting.”

Worse than “not mentioned,” the blockading of the people is called a “full withdrawal” by Israel conducted to allow Palestinians “self-rule” in order to “build their state.” Rubbish!

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