Comments on: A Good Sign http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/11/12/a-good-sign/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=a-good-sign n. the principle of good order<br /><br /> "Observe the strange inversion of all order and sense! Dignity debased; how vilely is the function of a consul prostituted!" ~The Craftsman Fri, 10 Feb 2012 02:25:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Howard J. Harrison http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/11/12/a-good-sign/comment-page-1/#comment-18167 Howard J. Harrison Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:54:04 +0000 http://www.amconmag.com/larison/?p=7568#comment-18167 Daniel, your point is well taken. I think that you are right. Daniel, your point is well taken. I think that you are right.

]]> By: Daniel Larison http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/11/12/a-good-sign/comment-page-1/#comment-18077 Daniel Larison Wed, 12 Nov 2008 22:16:08 +0000 http://www.amconmag.com/larison/?p=7568#comment-18077 Don't get too carried away, Howard. Obama's general views on immigration remain pretty far to the left. My point in drawing attention to Navarette's expectations was that Obama has specifically supported the things Navarette thinks he might oppose. That doesn't make Obama sound on immigration or anywhere close to it. On some things, such as licenses for illegal immigrants, he is as bad as you can get. At no point did I suggest that he is going to be "tough" on immigrants. But he is probably going to be "tougher" than Navarette would like, which means that he isn't going to completely roll over and ignore the problem. Don’t get too carried away, Howard. Obama’s general views on immigration remain pretty far to the left. My point in drawing attention to Navarette’s expectations was that Obama has specifically supported the things Navarette thinks he might oppose. That doesn’t make Obama sound on immigration or anywhere close to it. On some things, such as licenses for illegal immigrants, he is as bad as you can get. At no point did I suggest that he is going to be “tough” on immigrants. But he is probably going to be “tougher” than Navarette would like, which means that he isn’t going to completely roll over and ignore the problem.

]]> By: Howard J. Harrison http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/11/12/a-good-sign/comment-page-1/#comment-18075 Howard J. Harrison Wed, 12 Nov 2008 22:07:27 +0000 http://www.amconmag.com/larison/?p=7568#comment-18075 If the Democratic party under Barack Obama's leadership repositioned itself as the party of tariffs, controlled borders and reduced immigration, <em>it would turn me into a Democrat.</em> Is this really possible, though? <em>Howard</em> If the Democratic party under Barack Obama’s leadership repositioned itself as the party of tariffs, controlled borders and reduced immigration, it would turn me into a Democrat.

Is this really possible, though?

Howard

]]> By: el_longhorn http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/11/12/a-good-sign/comment-page-1/#comment-18036 el_longhorn Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:58:47 +0000 http://www.amconmag.com/larison/?p=7568#comment-18036 Enough of the fence has been built or is being built to provide political cover for whatever the president wants to do. DHS just put three sections of the Texas fence on indefinite hold after realizing (acknowledging?) how completely ridiculous and infeasible it would be to build them - it is very difficult and costly to build a fence in the floodplain of a river, especially when you have an international treaty that specifically forbids doing such a thing!! Their are some very good alternatives to a Texas wall out there. Around Laredo, the Border Patrol is now using swamp boats to patrol up and down the shallow river. This is proving very effective for a fraction of the cost of the wall and without any of the environmental/diplomatic consequences. And the agents love it! Beats sitting in an SUV with a pair of binoculars all day. Obama supporters may be projecting their values onto him, but I don't know where you get the idea that he is somehow going to be tough on immigrants. On the contrary, during the Democratic primary, Obama struck a very pro-immigrant tone and supports an amnesty of some type. The DREAM Act would probably be a good place for him to start. It will probably pass and is a good trial balloon to float out in front of the Congress. Enough of the fence has been built or is being built to provide political cover for whatever the president wants to do. DHS just put three sections of the Texas fence on indefinite hold after realizing (acknowledging?) how completely ridiculous and infeasible it would be to build them – it is very difficult and costly to build a fence in the floodplain of a river, especially when you have an international treaty that specifically forbids doing such a thing!! Their are some very good alternatives to a Texas wall out there. Around Laredo, the Border Patrol is now using swamp boats to patrol up and down the shallow river. This is proving very effective for a fraction of the cost of the wall and without any of the environmental/diplomatic consequences. And the agents love it! Beats sitting in an SUV with a pair of binoculars all day.

Obama supporters may be projecting their values onto him, but I don’t know where you get the idea that he is somehow going to be tough on immigrants. On the contrary, during the Democratic primary, Obama struck a very pro-immigrant tone and supports an amnesty of some type. The DREAM Act would probably be a good place for him to start. It will probably pass and is a good trial balloon to float out in front of the Congress.

]]> By: conradg http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/11/12/a-good-sign/comment-page-1/#comment-18032 conradg Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:55:15 +0000 http://www.amconmag.com/larison/?p=7568#comment-18032 I think if Obama wants to do an immigration bill that is in any sense favorable to illegals, he is going to have to build that fence first, or he will have no defense against conservative attacks and working class backlash. Which I think Obama knows quite well, which is why he has strongly supported building the fence, and why he won't back away from that course. I think if Obama wants to do an immigration bill that is in any sense favorable to illegals, he is going to have to build that fence first, or he will have no defense against conservative attacks and working class backlash. Which I think Obama knows quite well, which is why he has strongly supported building the fence, and why he won’t back away from that course.

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