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	<title>Comments on: Not To Worry</title>
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	<description>n. the principle of good order&#60;br /&#62;&#60;br /&#62; "Observe the strange inversion of all order and sense! Dignity debased; how vilely is the function of a consul prostituted!" ~The Craftsman</description>
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		<title>By: bayesian</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/10/26/not-to-worry-2/comment-page-1/#comment-16177</link>
		<dc:creator>bayesian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Out, out damned italics, I say!  This is not Obsidian Wings! 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Out, out damned italics, I say!  This is not Obsidian Wings! </p>
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		<title>By: Tzal</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/10/26/not-to-worry-2/comment-page-1/#comment-16174</link>
		<dc:creator>Tzal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nate Silver took Greener apart this morning:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/bradley-effect-or-elephant-effect.html

Silver echoes many of your points, but really takes Greener to task on his polling analysis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nate Silver took Greener apart this morning:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/bradley-effect-or-elephant-effect.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/bradley-effect-or-elephant-effect.html</a></p>
<p>Silver echoes many of your points, but really takes Greener to task on his polling analysis.</p>
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		<title>By: tenaciousd</title>
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		<dc:creator>tenaciousd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assuming the third parties will collectively take 3-4% of the vote, Obama only has to poll 44-45% to win.

And, Baysian is correct, Silver has found that even the former Bradley campaign says that they knew (via internal polling) they were running 50/50 in that campaign and were worried that media polls showing them with big leads would lead to complacency among their supporters.

The &quot;Bradley effect is merely the &quot;soccer mom&quot; meme of this election.  It allows us to speculate on how racist the swing voters are without having to really come out and say it.  There&#039;s always some tortured meme intended to encapsulate the swing voter&#039;s mentality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assuming the third parties will collectively take 3-4% of the vote, Obama only has to poll 44-45% to win.</p>
<p>And, Baysian is correct, Silver has found that even the former Bradley campaign says that they knew (via internal polling) they were running 50/50 in that campaign and were worried that media polls showing them with big leads would lead to complacency among their supporters.</p>
<p>The &#8220;Bradley effect is merely the &#8220;soccer mom&#8221; meme of this election.  It allows us to speculate on how racist the swing voters are without having to really come out and say it.  There&#8217;s always some tortured meme intended to encapsulate the swing voter&#8217;s mentality.</p>
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		<title>By: Grumpy Old Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grumpy Old Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if we look to the Truman-Dewey race of 1948, it becomes clear that McCain is offering neither the underdog&#039;s Ã©lan nor any positive reason to vote for him. 

Palin has vitality, like her or not, but McCain is simply sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if we look to the Truman-Dewey race of 1948, it becomes clear that McCain is offering neither the underdog&#8217;s Ã©lan nor any positive reason to vote for him. </p>
<p>Palin has vitality, like her or not, but McCain is simply sad.</p>
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		<title>By: bayesian</title>
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		<dc:creator>bayesian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 08:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indya -

I would never speak for Daniel, he who knows an astonishing amount, but:

1) Nate Silver (fivethirtyeight.com), who knows an awful lot about polling, makes a compelling case that the Bradley effect is long gone.

2) Why only subtract six points in the tossups, rather than everywhere?   At any rate, a six point subtraction across the board when applied to e.g. the latest RCP averages still gives Obama a fairly clear victory - all the Kerry states plus IA, NM, CO, VA, OH (barely - RCP has it Obama 6.1%).

&lt;i&gt;then add in undecideds

Add in undecideds how?  All breaking McCain?  2:1 McCain?  

If support strips evenly across the country, it looks like McCain has to get at least to the point where he gets VA back.  I&#039;m not sure there are enough &quot;Real Virginians&quot; to do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indya -</p>
<p>I would never speak for Daniel, he who knows an astonishing amount, but:</p>
<p>1) Nate Silver (fivethirtyeight.com), who knows an awful lot about polling, makes a compelling case that the Bradley effect is long gone.</p>
<p>2) Why only subtract six points in the tossups, rather than everywhere?   At any rate, a six point subtraction across the board when applied to e.g. the latest RCP averages still gives Obama a fairly clear victory &#8211; all the Kerry states plus IA, NM, CO, VA, OH (barely &#8211; RCP has it Obama 6.1%).</p>
<p><i>then add in undecideds</p>
<p>Add in undecideds how?  All breaking McCain?  2:1 McCain?  </p>
<p>If support strips evenly across the country, it looks like McCain has to get at least to the point where he gets VA back.  I&#8217;m not sure there are enough &#8220;Real Virginians&#8221; to do that.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Indya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Indya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Taking the Bradley Effect into account, does this really hold true?  What if you can more or less subtract 6 points from Obama in every tossup state, and then add in undecideds.  What then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taking the Bradley Effect into account, does this really hold true?  What if you can more or less subtract 6 points from Obama in every tossup state, and then add in undecideds.  What then?</p>
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