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		<title>By: paxr55</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/10/20/endorsements-and-excuses/comment-page-1/#comment-15703</link>
		<dc:creator>paxr55</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 23:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Omnivore&#039;s Dilemma, Michael Pollan describes the parlous scene in the family car, a newly health-conscious mom at the wheel, as hunger asserts itself among the children and decisions must be made: McDonald&#039;s or home for a laborious dinner preparation with nutritious, fresh ingredients? Except there&#039;s nothing in the refrigerator. Maybe there was a head of lettuce. Or broccoli. She forgets.

How does McDonald&#039;s win over the wavering, minivan-driving mother who has no choice but a boatload of scruples about nutrition and virtue? The kids know: &quot;It&#039;s all right, mom! You can get a salad now at McDonald&#039;s!&quot; The last defense is demolished.

The political analogy is a little rickety. Obama is clearly not McDonald&#039;s. But like McDonald&#039;s, his campaign knows that wavering voters want to vote for their guy. So the Obama campaign has to address all their excuses and worries. With wavering conservatives--not ideologues, but wavering and slightly timid conservatives, accustomed to the Daddy Party--the Obama campaign can now point to Colin Powell&#039;s endorsement. It&#039;s the salad on the McDonald&#039;s menu. It&#039;s OK to vote there now. You know you wanted to all along.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Omnivore&#8217;s Dilemma, Michael Pollan describes the parlous scene in the family car, a newly health-conscious mom at the wheel, as hunger asserts itself among the children and decisions must be made: McDonald&#8217;s or home for a laborious dinner preparation with nutritious, fresh ingredients? Except there&#8217;s nothing in the refrigerator. Maybe there was a head of lettuce. Or broccoli. She forgets.</p>
<p>How does McDonald&#8217;s win over the wavering, minivan-driving mother who has no choice but a boatload of scruples about nutrition and virtue? The kids know: &#8220;It&#8217;s all right, mom! You can get a salad now at McDonald&#8217;s!&#8221; The last defense is demolished.</p>
<p>The political analogy is a little rickety. Obama is clearly not McDonald&#8217;s. But like McDonald&#8217;s, his campaign knows that wavering voters want to vote for their guy. So the Obama campaign has to address all their excuses and worries. With wavering conservatives&#8211;not ideologues, but wavering and slightly timid conservatives, accustomed to the Daddy Party&#8211;the Obama campaign can now point to Colin Powell&#8217;s endorsement. It&#8217;s the salad on the McDonald&#8217;s menu. It&#8217;s OK to vote there now. You know you wanted to all along.</p>
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		<title>By: bayesian</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/10/20/endorsements-and-excuses/comment-page-1/#comment-15690</link>
		<dc:creator>bayesian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@M.Z Forrest -

Did you mean to write that _Powell_ &quot;has endorsed any number of anti-abortion conservatives&quot;?  (otherwise, I&#039;d like to know about the anti-abortion conservatives Obama has endorsed, especially when those anti-abortion conservatives were facing Democrats :} ).

Assuming you meant Powell, has he ever endorsed the anti-abortion candidate in a contest with a pro-abortion Republican?  (i.e. either an endorsement in a primary contest or endorsing an anti-abortion Democrat over a pro-abortion Republican)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@M.Z Forrest -</p>
<p>Did you mean to write that _Powell_ &#8220;has endorsed any number of anti-abortion conservatives&#8221;?  (otherwise, I&#8217;d like to know about the anti-abortion conservatives Obama has endorsed, especially when those anti-abortion conservatives were facing Democrats :} ).</p>
<p>Assuming you meant Powell, has he ever endorsed the anti-abortion candidate in a contest with a pro-abortion Republican?  (i.e. either an endorsement in a primary contest or endorsing an anti-abortion Democrat over a pro-abortion Republican)</p>
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		<title>By: Indya</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/10/20/endorsements-and-excuses/comment-page-1/#comment-15689</link>
		<dc:creator>Indya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An ensuing interview with Powell was very revealing.  It seemed that he found McCain&#039;s antics to be over the top.  He used the term &quot;steady&quot; several times to describe Obama, and he was quite animated about this.  This also dovetails his diplomatic view that M.Z. noted.  The world needs steady, adult leadership, not the belligerent theatrics that McCain would certainly bring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An ensuing interview with Powell was very revealing.  It seemed that he found McCain&#8217;s antics to be over the top.  He used the term &#8220;steady&#8221; several times to describe Obama, and he was quite animated about this.  This also dovetails his diplomatic view that M.Z. noted.  The world needs steady, adult leadership, not the belligerent theatrics that McCain would certainly bring.</p>
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		<title>By: M.Z. Forrest</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/10/20/endorsements-and-excuses/comment-page-1/#comment-15688</link>
		<dc:creator>M.Z. Forrest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since Obama has endorsed any number of anti-abortion conservatives, I have trouble with the hypothesis advanced by some that abortion was a determinative factor in his decision.  People who find preserving abortion rights to be a top issue generally move to the Democratic Party.  Racial solidarity flubs for the same reason.  In his capacity as an aide, Powell supported the Iraq War.  In his case in particular, I think it is a mistake to conflate that with his personal position.  I imagine his issue is not so much war as diplomacy.  With the Bush administration there has been a shift toward belligerance on the diplomatic front manifesting itself in anger with the French of all people and a worsening of relations with North Korea for no apparent reason.  McCain has given every indication that he will continue this, and he has in fact signaled a desire to reignite a cold war with Russia.  I believe this is truly at the heart of the Powell endorsement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since Obama has endorsed any number of anti-abortion conservatives, I have trouble with the hypothesis advanced by some that abortion was a determinative factor in his decision.  People who find preserving abortion rights to be a top issue generally move to the Democratic Party.  Racial solidarity flubs for the same reason.  In his capacity as an aide, Powell supported the Iraq War.  In his case in particular, I think it is a mistake to conflate that with his personal position.  I imagine his issue is not so much war as diplomacy.  With the Bush administration there has been a shift toward belligerance on the diplomatic front manifesting itself in anger with the French of all people and a worsening of relations with North Korea for no apparent reason.  McCain has given every indication that he will continue this, and he has in fact signaled a desire to reignite a cold war with Russia.  I believe this is truly at the heart of the Powell endorsement.</p>
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		<title>By: Elvis Elvisberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elvis Elvisberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Should Obama really want Powellâ€™s endorsement, given his crucial role in misleading the nation into going into the war in Iraq?&lt;/i&gt;

In a sane world, no.  

But in this world, George Bush is president, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/42_see_powell_endorsement_of_obama_as_possible&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Powell remains very popular&lt;/a&gt;.  Also, as pointed out, Powell made his case in an extremely well-considered, well-substantiated manner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Should Obama really want Powellâ€™s endorsement, given his crucial role in misleading the nation into going into the war in Iraq?</i></p>
<p>In a sane world, no.  </p>
<p>But in this world, George Bush is president, and <a href="http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/42_see_powell_endorsement_of_obama_as_possible" rel="nofollow">Powell remains very popular</a>.  Also, as pointed out, Powell made his case in an extremely well-considered, well-substantiated manner.</p>
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		<title>By: bayesian</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/10/20/endorsements-and-excuses/comment-page-1/#comment-15686</link>
		<dc:creator>bayesian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks as always for your typically smack on analysis.  

As a nit, I note that Gilchrest voted in favor of the AUMF, and AFAIK didn&#039;t express any substantial criticism until 2006 (including apologizing for his AUMF vote).   I welcome correction on that, since I haven&#039;t really followed his career in any detail.

One other note re Powell - a way in which he is somewhat similar to Obama and different from most black politicians in the US that I can think of - is that Powell&#039;s parents are not AfAms, but rather Jamaican immigrants (the only other black politicians I can think of whose parents are both immigrants are Louis Farrakhan and Rep Yvette Clarke - I imagine there are others, but are there any with national or statewide profiles?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks as always for your typically smack on analysis.  </p>
<p>As a nit, I note that Gilchrest voted in favor of the AUMF, and AFAIK didn&#8217;t express any substantial criticism until 2006 (including apologizing for his AUMF vote).   I welcome correction on that, since I haven&#8217;t really followed his career in any detail.</p>
<p>One other note re Powell &#8211; a way in which he is somewhat similar to Obama and different from most black politicians in the US that I can think of &#8211; is that Powell&#8217;s parents are not AfAms, but rather Jamaican immigrants (the only other black politicians I can think of whose parents are both immigrants are Louis Farrakhan and Rep Yvette Clarke &#8211; I imagine there are others, but are there any with national or statewide profiles?).</p>
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		<title>By: Grumpy Old Man</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/10/20/endorsements-and-excuses/comment-page-1/#comment-15685</link>
		<dc:creator>Grumpy Old Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s an important point--Powell and Obama are really quite similar. If there is a difference, it is that Powell is a bureaucrat and Obama an elected official, who has to work the crowds; and Obama&#039;s background is a bit less conventional.

The late Tom Bradley, Mayor of Los Angeles when it was still a &quot;white bread&quot; town, was the archetype of the black politician who must appeal to a mostly white constituency. What is called for is a careful cultivation of General American speech and a demeanor that spells gravitas. 

No doubt there is theatrics (&quot;branding&quot; in this year&#039;s phrase) involved, but there is no reason to doubt that the conservative demeanor of Bradley, Sen. Ed Brooke, Powell, and Obama is more than theatrics. The politics of each is corporate center-leftism. 

There is not much room in the GOP for this sort of thing. They may have the megachurches, but they&#039;re losing the country clubs. Thus the Powell endorsement makes perfect sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s an important point&#8211;Powell and Obama are really quite similar. If there is a difference, it is that Powell is a bureaucrat and Obama an elected official, who has to work the crowds; and Obama&#8217;s background is a bit less conventional.</p>
<p>The late Tom Bradley, Mayor of Los Angeles when it was still a &#8220;white bread&#8221; town, was the archetype of the black politician who must appeal to a mostly white constituency. What is called for is a careful cultivation of General American speech and a demeanor that spells gravitas. </p>
<p>No doubt there is theatrics (&#8220;branding&#8221; in this year&#8217;s phrase) involved, but there is no reason to doubt that the conservative demeanor of Bradley, Sen. Ed Brooke, Powell, and Obama is more than theatrics. The politics of each is corporate center-leftism. </p>
<p>There is not much room in the GOP for this sort of thing. They may have the megachurches, but they&#8217;re losing the country clubs. Thus the Powell endorsement makes perfect sense.</p>
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		<title>By: R. Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>R. Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems to me Obama, if elected, will be doing a great service for the word &quot;conservative&quot; â€” i.e., the many Obamacon endorsements and the revelation that &quot;playing to the base&quot; has spent what little fuel it had. The Ron Pauls and Bill Bennetts and Daniel Larisons and Chris Buckleys of of the world may wake up to find that their debate suddenly has, pardon me, a &quot;fierce urgency&quot; and that synonymizing liberal:Democrat and conservative:Republican is oversimplifying in the worst way. 

If, however, McCain somehow manages to pull this thing off, &quot;intellectualism&quot; will be a blamed factor, and the coolness of Obama will be throw out with the bath water, reinforcing the Rovian politics of culture, characterization and common denominator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me Obama, if elected, will be doing a great service for the word &#8220;conservative&#8221; â€” i.e., the many Obamacon endorsements and the revelation that &#8220;playing to the base&#8221; has spent what little fuel it had. The Ron Pauls and Bill Bennetts and Daniel Larisons and Chris Buckleys of of the world may wake up to find that their debate suddenly has, pardon me, a &#8220;fierce urgency&#8221; and that synonymizing liberal:Democrat and conservative:Republican is oversimplifying in the worst way. </p>
<p>If, however, McCain somehow manages to pull this thing off, &#8220;intellectualism&#8221; will be a blamed factor, and the coolness of Obama will be throw out with the bath water, reinforcing the Rovian politics of culture, characterization and common denominator.</p>
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		<title>By: kitstolz</title>
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		<dc:creator>kitstolz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting point: Should Obama really want Powell&#039;s endorsement, given his crucial role in misleading the nation into going into the war in Iraq? 

But sometimes it&#039;s not just a matter of endorsing a candidate, but the nature of the endorsement itself. Powell on &quot;Meet the Press&quot; was at his best -- reasonable, eloquent, and able to make an argument no one else could make, which is that although he knows Obama is not a Muslim, what if he were? Muslims can be loyal Americans, and fight and die for their country just like Jews and Catholics and other believers long suspected of owing an allegiance to other nations. 

It&#039;s no surprise that Obama will find a role for Powell in his administration, but he&#039;s yet another moderate Republican (in the Lugar mold) who will reassure moderate voters about the Democrat. In turn I agree that Obama will be a more conventional figure than the hysterical right (the National Review, Limbaugh, and the Corner) fears, which may disappoint some leftists, but may also be exactly what this nation needs after eight long years of Rove, Bush, and Cheney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting point: Should Obama really want Powell&#8217;s endorsement, given his crucial role in misleading the nation into going into the war in Iraq? </p>
<p>But sometimes it&#8217;s not just a matter of endorsing a candidate, but the nature of the endorsement itself. Powell on &#8220;Meet the Press&#8221; was at his best &#8212; reasonable, eloquent, and able to make an argument no one else could make, which is that although he knows Obama is not a Muslim, what if he were? Muslims can be loyal Americans, and fight and die for their country just like Jews and Catholics and other believers long suspected of owing an allegiance to other nations. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s no surprise that Obama will find a role for Powell in his administration, but he&#8217;s yet another moderate Republican (in the Lugar mold) who will reassure moderate voters about the Democrat. In turn I agree that Obama will be a more conventional figure than the hysterical right (the National Review, Limbaugh, and the Corner) fears, which may disappoint some leftists, but may also be exactly what this nation needs after eight long years of Rove, Bush, and Cheney.</p>
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		<title>By: mbtogut</title>
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		<dc:creator>mbtogut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whining of the far right that Powell&#039;s endorsement of Obama was based on race rather than a whole range of other considerations has been amusing albeit predictable. That Powell might sense in Obama a kindred spirit seems, as you so rightly note, beyond comprehension to them, so caught up are they in they&#039;re meme that Obama is some kind of radical socialist.

Both left and right will be disappointed--the left because Obama will prove remarkably centrist; the right because he won&#039;t be the radical of their wet dreams (which nevertheless won&#039;t stop them from denouncing him as one and should, in fact, make the likes of the Limbaugh crowd as happy as they were when they had Clinton to kick around).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whining of the far right that Powell&#8217;s endorsement of Obama was based on race rather than a whole range of other considerations has been amusing albeit predictable. That Powell might sense in Obama a kindred spirit seems, as you so rightly note, beyond comprehension to them, so caught up are they in they&#8217;re meme that Obama is some kind of radical socialist.</p>
<p>Both left and right will be disappointed&#8211;the left because Obama will prove remarkably centrist; the right because he won&#8217;t be the radical of their wet dreams (which nevertheless won&#8217;t stop them from denouncing him as one and should, in fact, make the likes of the Limbaugh crowd as happy as they were when they had Clinton to kick around).</p>
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