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		<title>By: Daniel Larison</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/10/18/conservative-culture-war/comment-page-1/#comment-15728</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Larison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 05:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Yâ€™all have considerable time and emotion invested in the Republican Party, and it must be emotionally difficult to come to grips with the complete loss of that investment.&quot;

Well, perhaps many do, but I don&#039;t really have any such investment.  There is an assumption that I see many people make that I must be a Republican because I talk about its political fortunes as much as I do, but this is not the case.  I am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of that party.  I talk about recognizing that most conservatives still identify themselves with the party, but this the result of the Cold War and the cultural revolution.  What conservatives must always remember is that their alliance with this party has been historically contingent and it derived to a large extent from the fact that it was not the party of FDR and became the refuge of cultural conservatives later on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yâ€™all have considerable time and emotion invested in the Republican Party, and it must be emotionally difficult to come to grips with the complete loss of that investment.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, perhaps many do, but I don&#8217;t really have any such investment.  There is an assumption that I see many people make that I must be a Republican because I talk about its political fortunes as much as I do, but this is not the case.  I am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of that party.  I talk about recognizing that most conservatives still identify themselves with the party, but this the result of the Cold War and the cultural revolution.  What conservatives must always remember is that their alliance with this party has been historically contingent and it derived to a large extent from the fact that it was not the party of FDR and became the refuge of cultural conservatives later on.</p>
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		<title>By: Howard J. Harrison</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/10/18/conservative-culture-war/comment-page-1/#comment-15725</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard J. Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 04:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Most important, we disagree whether a conservatism of place and virtue, which is what I understand traditional conservatism to be, can coexist with the culture of acquisition and consumption.&lt;/em&gt;

Right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Most important, we disagree whether a conservatism of place and virtue, which is what I understand traditional conservatism to be, can coexist with the culture of acquisition and consumption.</em></p>
<p>Right.</p>
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		<title>By: burnspbesq</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/10/18/conservative-culture-war/comment-page-1/#comment-15674</link>
		<dc:creator>burnspbesq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reluctance of principled conservatives to admit that the Republican Party has outlived its usefulness and should be allowed to wither away to its irreducible core of nativists, Christianists, and crony capitalists is disappointing but not surprising.  Y&#039;all have considerable time and emotion invested in the Republican Party, and it must be emotionally difficult to come to grips with the complete loss of that investment.

My own view is that we are in for (and I hope for) a fundamental realignment in American politics, in which the rational adults in the two current parties realize that there is more that unites them than divides them, and come together, leaving the dead husks of the Democratic and Republican Parties to the left and right extremists, respectively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reluctance of principled conservatives to admit that the Republican Party has outlived its usefulness and should be allowed to wither away to its irreducible core of nativists, Christianists, and crony capitalists is disappointing but not surprising.  Y&#8217;all have considerable time and emotion invested in the Republican Party, and it must be emotionally difficult to come to grips with the complete loss of that investment.</p>
<p>My own view is that we are in for (and I hope for) a fundamental realignment in American politics, in which the rational adults in the two current parties realize that there is more that unites them than divides them, and come together, leaving the dead husks of the Democratic and Republican Parties to the left and right extremists, respectively.</p>
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		<title>By: conradg</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/10/18/conservative-culture-war/comment-page-1/#comment-15666</link>
		<dc:creator>conradg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 07:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have expected to half-enjoy seeing the same sickening bile that conservatives heap on liberals spewn upon their own, but I must say that sight is just as revolting. These people, regardless of their ideology, are simply depraved losers, with third-class minds and fourth-class temperaments, poisoned by failure and resentment. Liberals are well acquainted with their hate, and we see it made especially loathsome for our quadrennial celebrations of electoral democracy, but it&#039;s just as loathsome when directed at others, even those who are critical of liberalism&#039;s many ideas and agendas. I don&#039;t find satsifaction in seeing conservatism implode upon itself, eating its young, in that liberalism itself requires strong and purposeful opposition to maintain its own health. As a liberal, I worry about the bloat and corruption that can occur within a liberal victory if it is not matched by strong and coherent opposition from conservative voices. If the only opposition it finds is the decadent emotions of populist resentment, this is not good for either liberalism or the country itself. We may be on the verge of an historic liberal-democrat victory, and thus it is just as important that conservatives be purged of their poisons as that liberals stay on edge and not get lazy and too comfortable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have expected to half-enjoy seeing the same sickening bile that conservatives heap on liberals spewn upon their own, but I must say that sight is just as revolting. These people, regardless of their ideology, are simply depraved losers, with third-class minds and fourth-class temperaments, poisoned by failure and resentment. Liberals are well acquainted with their hate, and we see it made especially loathsome for our quadrennial celebrations of electoral democracy, but it&#8217;s just as loathsome when directed at others, even those who are critical of liberalism&#8217;s many ideas and agendas. I don&#8217;t find satsifaction in seeing conservatism implode upon itself, eating its young, in that liberalism itself requires strong and purposeful opposition to maintain its own health. As a liberal, I worry about the bloat and corruption that can occur within a liberal victory if it is not matched by strong and coherent opposition from conservative voices. If the only opposition it finds is the decadent emotions of populist resentment, this is not good for either liberalism or the country itself. We may be on the verge of an historic liberal-democrat victory, and thus it is just as important that conservatives be purged of their poisons as that liberals stay on edge and not get lazy and too comfortable.</p>
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		<title>By: Pacific moderate</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/10/18/conservative-culture-war/comment-page-1/#comment-15657</link>
		<dc:creator>Pacific moderate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 01:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Occidental College is indeed a respected four-year college in LA, though I&#039;m prejudiced since my mother has been on the faculty there for several years (and remembers Obama attending her introductory psychology class). Oxy is a perfectly legitimate stepping stone for a place like Harvard.

Definitely post-Palin, it would be exceedingly rich for this faction of the conservative punditry to be criticizing Obama&#039;s academic career path.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Occidental College is indeed a respected four-year college in LA, though I&#8217;m prejudiced since my mother has been on the faculty there for several years (and remembers Obama attending her introductory psychology class). Oxy is a perfectly legitimate stepping stone for a place like Harvard.</p>
<p>Definitely post-Palin, it would be exceedingly rich for this faction of the conservative punditry to be criticizing Obama&#8217;s academic career path.</p>
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		<title>By: James Kabala</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/10/18/conservative-culture-war/comment-page-1/#comment-15643</link>
		<dc:creator>James Kabala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 18:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s possible to err in both directions here.  I once waded through an utterly ludicrous isteve comment thread (pre-Palin) in which multiple posters called Barack Obama &quot;stupid&quot; (a word actually used, IIRC) on the grounds that he attended Occidental College, a well-respected liberal arts school in the eyes of most normal people, but not Harvard or Yale and thus only for the stupid in the eyes of these zealots.  Even the fact that Obama later transferred to an Ivy League school was not enough.  (Salier himself, of course, did not endorse such nonsense.)  This particular example consisted of conservatives attacking a liberal, but it is true that the traffic usually goes in the other direction.

On the other hand, I don&#039;t know if I believe that &quot;the only reason Iâ€™m not making 100k+ right now, or working at some exalted institution, is because my family doesnâ€™t get invitations to the right soirÃ©es.&quot; (I mean as a general principle; I mean no slur against you personally.  Some people do just have bad luck.)  The Ivies (and my undergraduate degree is not from an Ivy League university, so I am not speaking from self-interest) have probably been more self-consciously meritocratic over the last several decades or so than ever before. That is not to say that they always (or even frequently) succeed in actually picking the best students, but that an attempt to do so (plus affirmative action) is the major determinant behind who gets in.  Class background no longer has the main role, for the most part. I believe Ross Douthat himself, for example, comes from a middle-class background.  Among those who have caused &quot;every debacle of the last 8 years,&quot; many do have Ivy League degrees, but their pre-Ivy-League backgrounds are various.  Bush himself (or perhaps also Paul Wolfowitz, a professor&#039;s son) is the only one who was clearly a legacy admission.  Ben Bernanke, if his Wikipedia bio can be believed, had a 1590 on his SATs!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s possible to err in both directions here.  I once waded through an utterly ludicrous isteve comment thread (pre-Palin) in which multiple posters called Barack Obama &#8220;stupid&#8221; (a word actually used, IIRC) on the grounds that he attended Occidental College, a well-respected liberal arts school in the eyes of most normal people, but not Harvard or Yale and thus only for the stupid in the eyes of these zealots.  Even the fact that Obama later transferred to an Ivy League school was not enough.  (Salier himself, of course, did not endorse such nonsense.)  This particular example consisted of conservatives attacking a liberal, but it is true that the traffic usually goes in the other direction.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I don&#8217;t know if I believe that &#8220;the only reason Iâ€™m not making 100k+ right now, or working at some exalted institution, is because my family doesnâ€™t get invitations to the right soirÃ©es.&#8221; (I mean as a general principle; I mean no slur against you personally.  Some people do just have bad luck.)  The Ivies (and my undergraduate degree is not from an Ivy League university, so I am not speaking from self-interest) have probably been more self-consciously meritocratic over the last several decades or so than ever before. That is not to say that they always (or even frequently) succeed in actually picking the best students, but that an attempt to do so (plus affirmative action) is the major determinant behind who gets in.  Class background no longer has the main role, for the most part. I believe Ross Douthat himself, for example, comes from a middle-class background.  Among those who have caused &#8220;every debacle of the last 8 years,&#8221; many do have Ivy League degrees, but their pre-Ivy-League backgrounds are various.  Bush himself (or perhaps also Paul Wolfowitz, a professor&#8217;s son) is the only one who was clearly a legacy admission.  Ben Bernanke, if his Wikipedia bio can be believed, had a 1590 on his SATs!</p>
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		<title>By: JBraunstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>JBraunstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I for one have some resentment of Ivy League types.  I&#039;m sure most are perfectly nice people.  However, it totally stinks that a handful of prestigious schools produce the majority of individuals who go on to form this self-replicating, insular elite class of people who are able to take advantage of solid gold networking opportunities to establish permanent, multi-generational footholds in the commanding heights of arts, business and politics.  This would be unfair even if the ones bred for the most powerful positions werenâ€™t a bunch of bigheaded incompetents, which they are.  The guys responsible for every debacle of the last 8 years are all from The Ivy League&#039;s Greatest Hits, Volume 3.

So, if you went to a â€œgreatâ€ school, facing a degree of bigotry and resentment from the common folk is a small price to pay for the huge advantages of simply interacting with the upper echelons of society.  Everybody knows that any dumb schmoozer can get ahead if they got â€œconnectionsâ€â€”we got a bunch of  â€˜em running this country into the ground as we speak.  Frankly, Iâ€™m envious, because I was a good student, a good worker,  and I can schmooze with the best of them, and the only reason Iâ€™m not making 100k+ right now, or working at some exalted institution, is because my family doesnâ€™t get invitations to the right soirÃ©es.

I know this is just the way of the world, but especially in light of the recent performance by the â€œproductsâ€ of these elite breeding grounds, graduation from a prestigious school does not justify automatic respect.  In fact, these fortunate bastards should have much more to prove than the rest of us, in demonstrating their worthiness of the privilege.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I for one have some resentment of Ivy League types.  I&#8217;m sure most are perfectly nice people.  However, it totally stinks that a handful of prestigious schools produce the majority of individuals who go on to form this self-replicating, insular elite class of people who are able to take advantage of solid gold networking opportunities to establish permanent, multi-generational footholds in the commanding heights of arts, business and politics.  This would be unfair even if the ones bred for the most powerful positions werenâ€™t a bunch of bigheaded incompetents, which they are.  The guys responsible for every debacle of the last 8 years are all from The Ivy League&#8217;s Greatest Hits, Volume 3.</p>
<p>So, if you went to a â€œgreatâ€ school, facing a degree of bigotry and resentment from the common folk is a small price to pay for the huge advantages of simply interacting with the upper echelons of society.  Everybody knows that any dumb schmoozer can get ahead if they got â€œconnectionsâ€â€”we got a bunch of  â€˜em running this country into the ground as we speak.  Frankly, Iâ€™m envious, because I was a good student, a good worker,  and I can schmooze with the best of them, and the only reason Iâ€™m not making 100k+ right now, or working at some exalted institution, is because my family doesnâ€™t get invitations to the right soirÃ©es.</p>
<p>I know this is just the way of the world, but especially in light of the recent performance by the â€œproductsâ€ of these elite breeding grounds, graduation from a prestigious school does not justify automatic respect.  In fact, these fortunate bastards should have much more to prove than the rest of us, in demonstrating their worthiness of the privilege.</p>
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		<title>By: Indya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Indya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 01:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This false populism is just the reaction to protect the Republican Rock Stars from criticism.  They need something to believe in, and constitutional governance is apparently too boring.  If they believed in constitutional government, they wouldn&#039;t have surrendered it all in the name of fear to the Executive Branch.  They support the continued erosion of the Constitution based on party identity, not because of any principle.  But they like to believe that they are principled.

Palin is just a symptom of how twisted it is being an ideologue these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This false populism is just the reaction to protect the Republican Rock Stars from criticism.  They need something to believe in, and constitutional governance is apparently too boring.  If they believed in constitutional government, they wouldn&#8217;t have surrendered it all in the name of fear to the Executive Branch.  They support the continued erosion of the Constitution based on party identity, not because of any principle.  But they like to believe that they are principled.</p>
<p>Palin is just a symptom of how twisted it is being an ideologue these days.</p>
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		<title>By: DaveA</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/10/18/conservative-culture-war/comment-page-1/#comment-15623</link>
		<dc:creator>DaveA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 23:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading Ross&#039; post, then McCain&#039;s response, I have only one question: since when is David Brooks either a &quot;super-bright-20-something&quot; or a &quot;Harvard-educated a$$hole&quot;?

Never let the facts get into the way of a good rant, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading Ross&#8217; post, then McCain&#8217;s response, I have only one question: since when is David Brooks either a &#8220;super-bright-20-something&#8221; or a &#8220;Harvard-educated a$$hole&#8221;?</p>
<p>Never let the facts get into the way of a good rant, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Larison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Larison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not a problem, Nathan.  Something I have been slowly learning after almost four years of blogging is that there is no use in getting as worked up about these things as I once did.

&quot;I think I read on one of your last posts before you moved the web-log here that youâ€™d just returned from Washington, and assumed that youâ€™d been living here, rather than visiting.&quot;
 
Ah, no.  That was my CPAC adventure, which was just a two-day jaunt there and back.  However, I have been in the city to visit Dumbarton Oaks and went annually to philosophy talks at Georgetown when I was in college, so I am dangerously well-acquainted with the area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a problem, Nathan.  Something I have been slowly learning after almost four years of blogging is that there is no use in getting as worked up about these things as I once did.</p>
<p>&#8220;I think I read on one of your last posts before you moved the web-log here that youâ€™d just returned from Washington, and assumed that youâ€™d been living here, rather than visiting.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ah, no.  That was my CPAC adventure, which was just a two-day jaunt there and back.  However, I have been in the city to visit Dumbarton Oaks and went annually to philosophy talks at Georgetown when I was in college, so I am dangerously well-acquainted with the area.</p>
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		<title>By: nathancontramundi</title>
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		<dc:creator>nathancontramundi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Daniel. I needed that dose of sense after getting my blood up courtesy of RSM.

My mistake about your not having lived in DC; I think I read on one of your last posts before you moved the web-log here that you&#039;d just returned from Washington, and assumed that you&#039;d been living here, rather than visiting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Daniel. I needed that dose of sense after getting my blood up courtesy of RSM.</p>
<p>My mistake about your not having lived in DC; I think I read on one of your last posts before you moved the web-log here that you&#8217;d just returned from Washington, and assumed that you&#8217;d been living here, rather than visiting.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Larison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Larison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nathan, I understand your frustration, and early on I had the same kind of reaction, but what I find more frustrating is not the dislike of Ivy League types, but the futility of feuding with people over these status markers.  My parents are state university graduates, and they both came away with good educations and taught me to appreciate learning, so I don&#039;t come to all of this with some presumption that there is something wrong with people who have educational backgrounds different from mine.  I have been fortunate, and I owe that to my parents and their parents before them.  What one gets from a school depends a lot on the student; a good student can come away with a better education from a less prestigious school than someone at an Ivy League university.  What I don&#039;t quite understand is the contempt that flows in the other direction.

Actually, I did not &quot;do time&quot; in Washington (my undergraduate school was in Southside Virginia), but I have on several occasions visited Washington, which may be just as bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan, I understand your frustration, and early on I had the same kind of reaction, but what I find more frustrating is not the dislike of Ivy League types, but the futility of feuding with people over these status markers.  My parents are state university graduates, and they both came away with good educations and taught me to appreciate learning, so I don&#8217;t come to all of this with some presumption that there is something wrong with people who have educational backgrounds different from mine.  I have been fortunate, and I owe that to my parents and their parents before them.  What one gets from a school depends a lot on the student; a good student can come away with a better education from a less prestigious school than someone at an Ivy League university.  What I don&#8217;t quite understand is the contempt that flows in the other direction.</p>
<p>Actually, I did not &#8220;do time&#8221; in Washington (my undergraduate school was in Southside Virginia), but I have on several occasions visited Washington, which may be just as bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Larison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Larison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many of these people actually fit McCain&#039;s description of &quot;super-bright 20-somethings right out of elite universities&quot;?  How many ever fit that description when they first started?  

Surely the problem many of us would have with at least some of these people is not, to put it mildly, that they are &quot;super-bright&quot; or &quot;right out of elite universities.&quot;  On the whole, whatever has gone wrong with NR in the last 10-20 years from our perspective is not principally a function of the &quot;youth and inexperience&quot; of its leading contributors.  In the last eight years, the trouble has come more from a combination of bad ideas and excessive support for this administration and its policies.  To say that &quot;nothing has corrupted...more&quot; than recruiting young graduates of elite universities is to ignore all of these other factors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many of these people actually fit McCain&#8217;s description of &#8220;super-bright 20-somethings right out of elite universities&#8221;?  How many ever fit that description when they first started?  </p>
<p>Surely the problem many of us would have with at least some of these people is not, to put it mildly, that they are &#8220;super-bright&#8221; or &#8220;right out of elite universities.&#8221;  On the whole, whatever has gone wrong with NR in the last 10-20 years from our perspective is not principally a function of the &#8220;youth and inexperience&#8221; of its leading contributors.  In the last eight years, the trouble has come more from a combination of bad ideas and excessive support for this administration and its policies.  To say that &#8220;nothing has corrupted&#8230;more&#8221; than recruiting young graduates of elite universities is to ignore all of these other factors.</p>
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		<title>By: nathancontramundi</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/10/18/conservative-culture-war/comment-page-1/#comment-15616</link>
		<dc:creator>nathancontramundi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely, I&#039;m not the only person who sometimes want to knock &quot;the other McCain&quot; the f--- out. I wonder where I&#039;d fall on his list of despicable conservatives, coming from rural, middle-class America but matriculating at Notre Dame and then moving to inside the Beltway.

You&#039;re probably even worse, Daniel, having done time in Washington before heading to that Midwest Ivy in &lt;i&gt;Barack Obama&#039;s neighborhood&lt;/i&gt;.

Give. Me. A. Break.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely, I&#8217;m not the only person who sometimes want to knock &#8220;the other McCain&#8221; the f&#8212; out. I wonder where I&#8217;d fall on his list of despicable conservatives, coming from rural, middle-class America but matriculating at Notre Dame and then moving to inside the Beltway.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re probably even worse, Daniel, having done time in Washington before heading to that Midwest Ivy in <i>Barack Obama&#8217;s neighborhood</i>.</p>
<p>Give. Me. A. Break.</p>
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		<title>By: taxman10m</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/10/18/conservative-culture-war/comment-page-1/#comment-15613</link>
		<dc:creator>taxman10m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look at National Review as a specific example of how youth and inexperience has been ruinous.  Rich Lowry (40), Ramesh Ponnuru,  (34), David Frum (48), Jonah Goldberg (39), Katherine Lopez (32).  The one with age and real experience is the one I most enjoy reading, John Derbyshire (63).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at National Review as a specific example of how youth and inexperience has been ruinous.  Rich Lowry (40), Ramesh Ponnuru,  (34), David Frum (48), Jonah Goldberg (39), Katherine Lopez (32).  The one with age and real experience is the one I most enjoy reading, John Derbyshire (63).</p>
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