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		<title>By: LMaggitti</title>
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		<dc:creator>LMaggitti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grumpy,

Setting aside the needlessly provocative language (&quot;Ivy League quasi-Bolsheviks and sodomites&quot; - and yes, the pairing with &quot;good hearted yokels&quot; removes some, but not all, of the sting), I think that there is a more fundamental (and depressing, from your point of view - even mine!) problem. General Mobius pointed out the extent to which Palin&#039;s instincts aren&#039;t even that good, except, by your lights, on social issues. But I think the same can be said for the &quot;good-hearted yokels&quot; as a whole. Good instincts (again from your point a view) on social issues? Check. But what else? America&#039;s role in the world? That constituency is every bit as supportive of our foriegn entanglements as is the rest of the electorate. Size of government? Sure, they love to hear politicians bash big government. So do constituencies on the left and center. But when the tire meets the road, they are every bit as supportive of the big ticket programs as traditional Democratic constituencies. The big government ways of the modern day GOP are in large measure a reflection of that. Opponents of both our adventurous foriegn policy and big government have to acknowledge that, as unresponsive as the government can be in some ways, on those issues, at least, the programs exist, and our interventionist foreign policy exists, in large measure because they are broadly popular. (Look at what happens when the GOP takes even baby steps to reign in entitlement spending.)

Look, I&#039;m not celebrating these facts. With regard to support of our foreign policy, certainly, and size of government issues, increasingly, I join you in lamenting these facts. But facts they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grumpy,</p>
<p>Setting aside the needlessly provocative language (&#8220;Ivy League quasi-Bolsheviks and sodomites&#8221; &#8211; and yes, the pairing with &#8220;good hearted yokels&#8221; removes some, but not all, of the sting), I think that there is a more fundamental (and depressing, from your point of view &#8211; even mine!) problem. General Mobius pointed out the extent to which Palin&#8217;s instincts aren&#8217;t even that good, except, by your lights, on social issues. But I think the same can be said for the &#8220;good-hearted yokels&#8221; as a whole. Good instincts (again from your point a view) on social issues? Check. But what else? America&#8217;s role in the world? That constituency is every bit as supportive of our foriegn entanglements as is the rest of the electorate. Size of government? Sure, they love to hear politicians bash big government. So do constituencies on the left and center. But when the tire meets the road, they are every bit as supportive of the big ticket programs as traditional Democratic constituencies. The big government ways of the modern day GOP are in large measure a reflection of that. Opponents of both our adventurous foriegn policy and big government have to acknowledge that, as unresponsive as the government can be in some ways, on those issues, at least, the programs exist, and our interventionist foreign policy exists, in large measure because they are broadly popular. (Look at what happens when the GOP takes even baby steps to reign in entitlement spending.)</p>
<p>Look, I&#8217;m not celebrating these facts. With regard to support of our foreign policy, certainly, and size of government issues, increasingly, I join you in lamenting these facts. But facts they are.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Larison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Larison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think Biden&#039;s answers give us more concerns than Palin&#039;s do, except in the sense that pro-lifers are going to be opposed to Biden&#039;s view and sympathetic to Palin&#039;s.  That&#039;s part of my complaint about Palin&#039;s defenders, which is why I spent most of the post focusing on her.  What her defenders want to say is, &quot;I disagree with Biden&#039;s reasoning/explanation, so Palin&#039;s remarks are irrelevant.&quot;  Biden&#039;s answer was somewhere in the ballpark, and Palin is barely playing the game, so I don&#039;t think it is credible to say that his answers are more troubling (except in the sense that pro-lifers are going to find any endorsement of Roe more troubling).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think Biden&#8217;s answers give us more concerns than Palin&#8217;s do, except in the sense that pro-lifers are going to be opposed to Biden&#8217;s view and sympathetic to Palin&#8217;s.  That&#8217;s part of my complaint about Palin&#8217;s defenders, which is why I spent most of the post focusing on her.  What her defenders want to say is, &#8220;I disagree with Biden&#8217;s reasoning/explanation, so Palin&#8217;s remarks are irrelevant.&#8221;  Biden&#8217;s answer was somewhere in the ballpark, and Palin is barely playing the game, so I don&#8217;t think it is credible to say that his answers are more troubling (except in the sense that pro-lifers are going to find any endorsement of Roe more troubling).</p>
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		<title>By: Indya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Indya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe Biden meant to say that Roe is a good decision because it is balanced - balances a woman&#039;s right with the state&#039;s right to intervene on behalf of the child.  Consensus is not the right word.  As for the liberty clause, it&#039;s central to due process. He at least has a clue.  I sincerely doubt that Palin will expose his gaffes because she will not have that much of a clue, if any.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe Biden meant to say that Roe is a good decision because it is balanced &#8211; balances a woman&#8217;s right with the state&#8217;s right to intervene on behalf of the child.  Consensus is not the right word.  As for the liberty clause, it&#8217;s central to due process. He at least has a clue.  I sincerely doubt that Palin will expose his gaffes because she will not have that much of a clue, if any.</p>
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		<title>By: jetan</title>
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		<dc:creator>jetan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The expression &quot;Liberty Clause&quot;, as distinct from the &quot;Property Clause&quot; is the common formulation in Con law classes, which I think Biden has occasionally taught. He should get a pass on the term of art.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The expression &#8220;Liberty Clause&#8221;, as distinct from the &#8220;Property Clause&#8221; is the common formulation in Con law classes, which I think Biden has occasionally taught. He should get a pass on the term of art.</p>
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		<title>By: el_longhorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>el_longhorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does not understand this? Biden correctly describes the basic holding of Roe v. Wade and identifies one of the amendments that have &#039;penumbras&quot; dealing with privacy. The consensus answer is not legally relevant, but is a damn good answer for a pro choice politician to give. And didn&#039;t the USSC just site national consensus in its Louisiana case dealing with the death sentence for sexual abuse of a child? 

On Lopez and VAWA, I think Biden is right on. After finding federal jurisdiction through the commerce clause for decades, no matter how remote the connection, the USSC all of a sudden decides that Congress has a real burden to meet on this issue? Legal scholars are still puzzled by those two decisions, regardless of what side of the debate you are on.

I completely agree with Gen Mobius - you can agree or disagree with Biden, but how can Biden&#039;s answers honestly give you &quot;more concerns about Biden than Palin&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does not understand this? Biden correctly describes the basic holding of Roe v. Wade and identifies one of the amendments that have &#8216;penumbras&#8221; dealing with privacy. The consensus answer is not legally relevant, but is a damn good answer for a pro choice politician to give. And didn&#8217;t the USSC just site national consensus in its Louisiana case dealing with the death sentence for sexual abuse of a child? </p>
<p>On Lopez and VAWA, I think Biden is right on. After finding federal jurisdiction through the commerce clause for decades, no matter how remote the connection, the USSC all of a sudden decides that Congress has a real burden to meet on this issue? Legal scholars are still puzzled by those two decisions, regardless of what side of the debate you are on.</p>
<p>I completely agree with Gen Mobius &#8211; you can agree or disagree with Biden, but how can Biden&#8217;s answers honestly give you &#8220;more concerns about Biden than Palin&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Grumpy Old Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grumpy Old Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel, that&#039;s fair.

I was, in fact, complaining that we seem to lack alternatives to &quot;smart&quot; wrong-headed people and good-hearted yokels devoid of book-larnin&#039; .

The presence of a few people like Bishop Hilarion (Alfeyev), Andrew Bacevich, and your good self offers some solace. 

Are there a few like-minded mayors and city councilmen lurking in the hinterland? Let us hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel, that&#8217;s fair.</p>
<p>I was, in fact, complaining that we seem to lack alternatives to &#8220;smart&#8221; wrong-headed people and good-hearted yokels devoid of book-larnin&#8217; .</p>
<p>The presence of a few people like Bishop Hilarion (Alfeyev), Andrew Bacevich, and your good self offers some solace. </p>
<p>Are there a few like-minded mayors and city councilmen lurking in the hinterland? Let us hope.</p>
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		<title>By: NickM</title>
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		<dc:creator>NickM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The rub is that the sophisticates and literati, who might know something, have screwed up the country, and continue to do so with dizzying rapidity.&quot;

&quot;GOM, I think theyâ€™ve screwed up the country, too.&quot;

I&#039;m honestly curious - how have &quot;sophisticates and literati&quot; screwed up the country?   From what I can see, &quot;literati&quot; control little apart from a few faculty break rooms; they otherwise have a hard time winning the shelving wars at Borders, never mind controlling the country.   As for &quot;sophisticates,&quot; its an awfully broad term to my mind and sounds more like code than a term one would use to clearly define a class of controlling elite.   What exactly do you mean?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The rub is that the sophisticates and literati, who might know something, have screwed up the country, and continue to do so with dizzying rapidity.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;GOM, I think theyâ€™ve screwed up the country, too.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m honestly curious &#8211; how have &#8220;sophisticates and literati&#8221; screwed up the country?   From what I can see, &#8220;literati&#8221; control little apart from a few faculty break rooms; they otherwise have a hard time winning the shelving wars at Borders, never mind controlling the country.   As for &#8220;sophisticates,&#8221; its an awfully broad term to my mind and sounds more like code than a term one would use to clearly define a class of controlling elite.   What exactly do you mean?</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Larison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Larison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t say that Biden was wrong when he referred to that as the liberty clause, though I think more people are familiar with references to the due process clause.  However, he does seem flub why the 14th Amendment applies to this matter.  Biden talks about consensus, which is absurd, since there is obviously *not* a consensus on this, but I agree that he didn&#039;t refer to social peace.

GOM, I think they&#039;ve screwed up the country, too.  They&#039;ve done so in no small part because there have not been enough people who opposed their agenda who could articulate their arguments effectively and dissect the opposing arguments to show them to be lacking.  Making excuses for any candidate who bungles these matters concerning culture war topics--the very topics she is supposed to be most conversant with--is a bit like making excuses for utterly incompetent commanders in the field on the grounds that the other side has an eccentric field marshal who makes his battlefield decisions based on augury.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t say that Biden was wrong when he referred to that as the liberty clause, though I think more people are familiar with references to the due process clause.  However, he does seem flub why the 14th Amendment applies to this matter.  Biden talks about consensus, which is absurd, since there is obviously *not* a consensus on this, but I agree that he didn&#8217;t refer to social peace.</p>
<p>GOM, I think they&#8217;ve screwed up the country, too.  They&#8217;ve done so in no small part because there have not been enough people who opposed their agenda who could articulate their arguments effectively and dissect the opposing arguments to show them to be lacking.  Making excuses for any candidate who bungles these matters concerning culture war topics&#8211;the very topics she is supposed to be most conversant with&#8211;is a bit like making excuses for utterly incompetent commanders in the field on the grounds that the other side has an eccentric field marshal who makes his battlefield decisions based on augury.</p>
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		<title>By: General Mobius</title>
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		<dc:creator>General Mobius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Big Ten non-Bolshevik sodomite, I think I take offense to that.

And let&#039;s not get carried away with &quot;instincts&quot;.  Other than flirtation with a secessionist party she now repudiates and a claimed opposition to earmarks she never actually possessed, what about Sarah Palin&#039;s instincts strikes you as particularly good?  I guess she&#039;s still pro-life, but that seems like precious little to hang an entire hat on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Big Ten non-Bolshevik sodomite, I think I take offense to that.</p>
<p>And let&#8217;s not get carried away with &#8220;instincts&#8221;.  Other than flirtation with a secessionist party she now repudiates and a claimed opposition to earmarks she never actually possessed, what about Sarah Palin&#8217;s instincts strikes you as particularly good?  I guess she&#8217;s still pro-life, but that seems like precious little to hang an entire hat on.</p>
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		<title>By: Grumpy Old Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grumpy Old Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems one doesn&#039;t need to know anything about federalism to be a state governor. 

The rub is that the sophisticates and literati, who might know something, have screwed up the country, and continue to do so with dizzying rapidity.

Is the choice really between Ivy League quasi-Bolsheviks and sodomites on the one hand, and unlettered yokels with good instincts on the other?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems one doesn&#8217;t need to know anything about federalism to be a state governor. </p>
<p>The rub is that the sophisticates and literati, who might know something, have screwed up the country, and continue to do so with dizzying rapidity.</p>
<p>Is the choice really between Ivy League quasi-Bolsheviks and sodomites on the one hand, and unlettered yokels with good instincts on the other?</p>
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		<title>By: JohnMcG</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnMcG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it takes a complex legal mind to bit Obama and Biden on Roe.

All that is required is to note that Obama voted against the Born Alive Act on the basis that it violated Roe v. Wade.  If Roe v. Wade prevents states from asserting the personhood of an infant that has been born alive, then support for Roe v. Wade is an extreme, rather than consensus, position.

Now, I don&#039;t know that Obama&#039;s reading of Roe v. Wade is valid, but that&#039;s his problem, not his critics&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it takes a complex legal mind to bit Obama and Biden on Roe.</p>
<p>All that is required is to note that Obama voted against the Born Alive Act on the basis that it violated Roe v. Wade.  If Roe v. Wade prevents states from asserting the personhood of an infant that has been born alive, then support for Roe v. Wade is an extreme, rather than consensus, position.</p>
<p>Now, I don&#8217;t know that Obama&#8217;s reading of Roe v. Wade is valid, but that&#8217;s his problem, not his critics&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: General Mobius</title>
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		<dc:creator>General Mobius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ponnuru&#039;s criticism is utterly shameless and should be called out as such.

On Biden: He thinks there&#039;s a &quot;liberty clause&quot;.  What Biden is describing is the Due Process Clause, which contains the word liberty!  He&#039;s not exactly off his rocker there.  You can disagree with his (and the Supreme Court&#039;s) interpretation of that clause, but you can&#039;t really imply he doesn&#039;t know what he&#039;s talking about just because you disagree with him.  Then he slightly misdescribes Roe and doesn&#039;t say anything about social peace.

On Palin: She&#039;s totally incoherent, knows absolutely nothing, and tries to fake it.  So of course it&#039;s because Couric&#039;s question is &quot;oddly phrased&quot;.

Ponnuru gets a lot of credit from people who praise him as a &quot;smart conservative&quot;.  It seems to me he only gets that kind of respect because the people he works with at NRO are such slack-jawed morons.  Next to K-Lo, even a hack like Ponnuru looks like the second coming of Socrates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ponnuru&#8217;s criticism is utterly shameless and should be called out as such.</p>
<p>On Biden: He thinks there&#8217;s a &#8220;liberty clause&#8221;.  What Biden is describing is the Due Process Clause, which contains the word liberty!  He&#8217;s not exactly off his rocker there.  You can disagree with his (and the Supreme Court&#8217;s) interpretation of that clause, but you can&#8217;t really imply he doesn&#8217;t know what he&#8217;s talking about just because you disagree with him.  Then he slightly misdescribes Roe and doesn&#8217;t say anything about social peace.</p>
<p>On Palin: She&#8217;s totally incoherent, knows absolutely nothing, and tries to fake it.  So of course it&#8217;s because Couric&#8217;s question is &#8220;oddly phrased&#8221;.</p>
<p>Ponnuru gets a lot of credit from people who praise him as a &#8220;smart conservative&#8221;.  It seems to me he only gets that kind of respect because the people he works with at NRO are such slack-jawed morons.  Next to K-Lo, even a hack like Ponnuru looks like the second coming of Socrates.</p>
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