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	<title>Comments on: Pro-Palin Spin Going Nowhere Fast</title>
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		<title>By: jat</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/09/11/pro-palin-spin-going-nowhere-fast/comment-page-1/#comment-13830</link>
		<dc:creator>jat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Obama claims that providing Bush-like stimulus checks is a tax cut that is at least misleading at best and a lie at worst.  As far as I&#039;m concerned Palin is more honest than anyone else on either ticket.  Joe Biden is an admitted plagiarist and so is an admitted liar.  How that for character?  Obama claims his pastor&#039;s anti american rants didn&#039;t affect him.....bull.  Palin enjoys an 80% approval rate among Alaskans.  Find me another politician with that number.  She must be doing something right.  You want honesty?  Here it is....Palin has turned this election in favor of the Republicans and Democrats don&#039;t know what to do other than attack her.....and that backfires.  I wonder how honest it will be when Obama dumps Biden.  Faux health problem?  Family emergency?  It will be an out and out lie by the party that always lies....the Democrats.  By the way, I&#039;m feeling the Dems pain.....and I&#039;m enjoying it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Obama claims that providing Bush-like stimulus checks is a tax cut that is at least misleading at best and a lie at worst.  As far as I&#8217;m concerned Palin is more honest than anyone else on either ticket.  Joe Biden is an admitted plagiarist and so is an admitted liar.  How that for character?  Obama claims his pastor&#8217;s anti american rants didn&#8217;t affect him&#8230;..bull.  Palin enjoys an 80% approval rate among Alaskans.  Find me another politician with that number.  She must be doing something right.  You want honesty?  Here it is&#8230;.Palin has turned this election in favor of the Republicans and Democrats don&#8217;t know what to do other than attack her&#8230;..and that backfires.  I wonder how honest it will be when Obama dumps Biden.  Faux health problem?  Family emergency?  It will be an out and out lie by the party that always lies&#8230;.the Democrats.  By the way, I&#8217;m feeling the Dems pain&#8230;..and I&#8217;m enjoying it.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny5</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/09/11/pro-palin-spin-going-nowhere-fast/comment-page-1/#comment-13829</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnny5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ferret--what do you mean by `technically not a lie&#039;? Do you mean something technically true? If so, then you contradict yourself when you say that what Palin says is &quot;not the truth&quot;. Do you mean &quot;not the whole truth&quot;? Well, yes...but again, no politician ever tells the whole truth, so it&#039;s hard to see why we should care too much about that here. If you don&#039;t mean either of these things, then I&#039;ll need you to explain what you mean.

The cases are different in any case. Maybe oral sex is neither clearly sex nor clearly not sex. But Palin engaged in actions that clearly count as `opposing the bridge&#039;. It isn&#039;t clear that she had admirable motives for doing so, but she did engage in &quot;opposing the bridge behaviors&quot;, behaviors that infuriated people who supported the bridge. Of course, she also engaged in actions that clearly count as `supporting the bridge&#039;. 

The point is, to say that Palin shot a moose is to say that at some point she engaged in shooting-a-moose activities. It isn&#039;t to say that she always was engaged in such activities, or was even always disposed to engage in them. It isn&#039;t to say anything about her motives for engaging in such activities. Likewise, to say that Palin opposed the bridge is to say that Palin once engaged in opposing-the-bridge activities. And she did in fact engage in such activities. There is just no way around this fact--even though I grant that the statement is significantly misleading.

I don&#039;t understand the desire to paint with such broad strokes here. There is a difference between lying and misleading someone. Politicians and advertisers mislead people constantly. But politicians and advertisers cannot just lie to people. They end up in trouble with the law if they do.

There is also a huge difference, by the way, in context between what counts as &quot;telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth&quot; in a courtroom and what counts as true in a TV ad. What Clinton didn&#039;t do was tell the whole truth. If Clinton went around bragging to his buddies that he was having sex with his intern, then he was lying. Because he wasn&#039;t having sex with her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ferret&#8211;what do you mean by `technically not a lie&#8217;? Do you mean something technically true? If so, then you contradict yourself when you say that what Palin says is &#8220;not the truth&#8221;. Do you mean &#8220;not the whole truth&#8221;? Well, yes&#8230;but again, no politician ever tells the whole truth, so it&#8217;s hard to see why we should care too much about that here. If you don&#8217;t mean either of these things, then I&#8217;ll need you to explain what you mean.</p>
<p>The cases are different in any case. Maybe oral sex is neither clearly sex nor clearly not sex. But Palin engaged in actions that clearly count as `opposing the bridge&#8217;. It isn&#8217;t clear that she had admirable motives for doing so, but she did engage in &#8220;opposing the bridge behaviors&#8221;, behaviors that infuriated people who supported the bridge. Of course, she also engaged in actions that clearly count as `supporting the bridge&#8217;. </p>
<p>The point is, to say that Palin shot a moose is to say that at some point she engaged in shooting-a-moose activities. It isn&#8217;t to say that she always was engaged in such activities, or was even always disposed to engage in them. It isn&#8217;t to say anything about her motives for engaging in such activities. Likewise, to say that Palin opposed the bridge is to say that Palin once engaged in opposing-the-bridge activities. And she did in fact engage in such activities. There is just no way around this fact&#8211;even though I grant that the statement is significantly misleading.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand the desire to paint with such broad strokes here. There is a difference between lying and misleading someone. Politicians and advertisers mislead people constantly. But politicians and advertisers cannot just lie to people. They end up in trouble with the law if they do.</p>
<p>There is also a huge difference, by the way, in context between what counts as &#8220;telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth&#8221; in a courtroom and what counts as true in a TV ad. What Clinton didn&#8217;t do was tell the whole truth. If Clinton went around bragging to his buddies that he was having sex with his intern, then he was lying. Because he wasn&#8217;t having sex with her.</p>
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		<title>By: themagnificentferret</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/09/11/pro-palin-spin-going-nowhere-fast/comment-page-1/#comment-13822</link>
		<dc:creator>themagnificentferret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, but defending the statement &quot;Palin opposed the bridge&quot; is like defending the statement &quot;I did not have sex with that woman, Ms Lewinsky.&quot; We can say that either is technically not a lie, as long as you abide by a narrow time frame or definition. But neither one is the truth.

Back in the Clinton era, I believed conservatives were at least somewhat less likely to indulge in Clintonesque contortions. Now, I fear that there&#039;s nothing to conservatism, particularly McCainism, but tortured logic, technicalities, faux outrage, and outright lies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but defending the statement &#8220;Palin opposed the bridge&#8221; is like defending the statement &#8220;I did not have sex with that woman, Ms Lewinsky.&#8221; We can say that either is technically not a lie, as long as you abide by a narrow time frame or definition. But neither one is the truth.</p>
<p>Back in the Clinton era, I believed conservatives were at least somewhat less likely to indulge in Clintonesque contortions. Now, I fear that there&#8217;s nothing to conservatism, particularly McCainism, but tortured logic, technicalities, faux outrage, and outright lies.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny5</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Every word about her being a reformerâ€“ allegedly the reason McCain was drawn to herâ€“ is a lie.&quot;

This is the last time I&#039;m going to say this, but in the English language a lie has to be something (known to be) false. And `Palin opposed the bridge&#039; is in fact true, no matter how misleading it is. And, whether or not Palin really is (in the eyes of God) a reformer, she was certainly believed to be a reformer by pretty much everybody at the time she was selected, so I have a hard time thinking that McCain knew that this almost universal opinion of her was mistaken. (For the pedants-almost universal among the people who knew her.)

As evidence, just look at what the press said about her prior to the pick. I read everything I could find on her: from the Alaskan newspapers to articles in the Times, USA today, and the WSJ. Any article that mentioned her political career at all claimed she was a reformer. Were the authors of all of those articles suffering from a peculiarly similar delusion? In any case, it is eminently plausible to think that McCain believed she was a reformer when he picked her, since everyone else did. 

In any case, here&#039;s why I believe Palin is a reformer: (1) she changed the tax code that was unfairly kind to oil companies; (2) she fought corruption in her party, leading to the resignation of two people more senior than her; (3) she drastically reduced the number and amount of earmark requests as governor; (4) she is responsible for ethics reform that had significant effects &quot;on the ground&quot;.

Unless I&#039;m wrong about the facts, Palin has done significantly more reforming than most politicians. Hence it is not a lie to say `Palin is a reformer&#039;. I&#039;m not saying she&#039;s some big hero. I&#039;m not even saying she would make a good VP. But I find that there is a peculiar animosity (amongst some) towards her, just as there is a peculiar animosity (amongst some) towards Obama. Small time reformers are a dime a dozen, just give that to her. It certainly doesn&#039;t automatically qualify her for the vice presidency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Every word about her being a reformerâ€“ allegedly the reason McCain was drawn to herâ€“ is a lie.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is the last time I&#8217;m going to say this, but in the English language a lie has to be something (known to be) false. And `Palin opposed the bridge&#8217; is in fact true, no matter how misleading it is. And, whether or not Palin really is (in the eyes of God) a reformer, she was certainly believed to be a reformer by pretty much everybody at the time she was selected, so I have a hard time thinking that McCain knew that this almost universal opinion of her was mistaken. (For the pedants-almost universal among the people who knew her.)</p>
<p>As evidence, just look at what the press said about her prior to the pick. I read everything I could find on her: from the Alaskan newspapers to articles in the Times, USA today, and the WSJ. Any article that mentioned her political career at all claimed she was a reformer. Were the authors of all of those articles suffering from a peculiarly similar delusion? In any case, it is eminently plausible to think that McCain believed she was a reformer when he picked her, since everyone else did. </p>
<p>In any case, here&#8217;s why I believe Palin is a reformer: (1) she changed the tax code that was unfairly kind to oil companies; (2) she fought corruption in her party, leading to the resignation of two people more senior than her; (3) she drastically reduced the number and amount of earmark requests as governor; (4) she is responsible for ethics reform that had significant effects &#8220;on the ground&#8221;.</p>
<p>Unless I&#8217;m wrong about the facts, Palin has done significantly more reforming than most politicians. Hence it is not a lie to say `Palin is a reformer&#8217;. I&#8217;m not saying she&#8217;s some big hero. I&#8217;m not even saying she would make a good VP. But I find that there is a peculiar animosity (amongst some) towards her, just as there is a peculiar animosity (amongst some) towards Obama. Small time reformers are a dime a dozen, just give that to her. It certainly doesn&#8217;t automatically qualify her for the vice presidency.</p>
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		<title>By: Elvis Elvisberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elvis Elvisberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 01:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In addition, she repeats the lie as an applause line at every campaign stop.

Also, she hired an Abramoff-affiliated lobbyist as mayor of Wasilla, obtained an absurd amount of earmark funding, but managed to leave the city in debt nonetheless.

Also, as with the bridge, she was a big Ted Stevens supporter until it became expedient to distance herself from him.  

Every word about her being a reformer-- allegedly the reason McCain was drawn to her-- is a lie.  Yet Daniel is more or less the world&#039;s only conservative willing to criticize her forthrightly.  All I can think is that she is popular for reasons of identity politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In addition, she repeats the lie as an applause line at every campaign stop.</p>
<p>Also, she hired an Abramoff-affiliated lobbyist as mayor of Wasilla, obtained an absurd amount of earmark funding, but managed to leave the city in debt nonetheless.</p>
<p>Also, as with the bridge, she was a big Ted Stevens supporter until it became expedient to distance herself from him.  </p>
<p>Every word about her being a reformer&#8211; allegedly the reason McCain was drawn to her&#8211; is a lie.  Yet Daniel is more or less the world&#8217;s only conservative willing to criticize her forthrightly.  All I can think is that she is popular for reasons of identity politics.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Larison</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/09/11/pro-palin-spin-going-nowhere-fast/comment-page-1/#comment-13815</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Larison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 01:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The false claim is at the core of the justification for adding her to the ticket and dubbing her a reformer.  If that is not enough reason to find the deception offensive, I&#039;m not sure what would be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The false claim is at the core of the justification for adding her to the ticket and dubbing her a reformer.  If that is not enough reason to find the deception offensive, I&#8217;m not sure what would be.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny5</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 00:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will respectfully disagree with Augustine on this matter. Perhaps the only relevant moral kind is dishonesty, and what Augustine says seems like a decent account of dishonesty. But that is not the way `lie&#039; is used today. In any case, almost every single thing any of the (major) candidates say would count as a lie under that definition. In which case we would need some other reason to be particularly upset by the statement under discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will respectfully disagree with Augustine on this matter. Perhaps the only relevant moral kind is dishonesty, and what Augustine says seems like a decent account of dishonesty. But that is not the way `lie&#8217; is used today. In any case, almost every single thing any of the (major) candidates say would count as a lie under that definition. In which case we would need some other reason to be particularly upset by the statement under discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Pithlord</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pithlord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Augustine has a discussion of lying somewhere. The upshot is that saying something intending it to cause a false belief (or a belief the speaker does not actually have) is lying. Asserting a false proposition is neither necessary nor sufficient to constitute a lie. It doesn&#039;t matter if the statement is semantically true. Not that &quot;Thanks, but no thanks&quot; was semantically true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Augustine has a discussion of lying somewhere. The upshot is that saying something intending it to cause a false belief (or a belief the speaker does not actually have) is lying. Asserting a false proposition is neither necessary nor sufficient to constitute a lie. It doesn&#8217;t matter if the statement is semantically true. Not that &#8220;Thanks, but no thanks&#8221; was semantically true.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny5</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough--I don&#039;t like politicians being misleading either. I&#039;m only concerned to point out that to lie is to say something (you know to be) false. Since Palin did oppose the bridge, it&#039;s not a lie for her to say she did. (`I told congress thanks but no thanks&#039; is clearly not intended to be literally true.)

I suppose the question of how misleading the claim is becomes pretty important. (I wouldn&#039;t quibble with saying something that was technically true but REALLY misleading was a lie. It&#039;s certainly dishonest.) 

Since my understanding is that during her tenure as governor she drastically reduced the number/amount of earmarks requested, and since that&#039;s the issue (who cares about one bridge, it&#039;s what the bridge signifies), I don&#039;t find her comments excessively misleading. (By my lights, not as misleading as, say, saying `McCain said that anyone who made less that $5 million isn&#039;t rich&#039;.) In any case, the question of just how misleading her comments are probably isn&#039;t one that can be conclusively settled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough&#8211;I don&#8217;t like politicians being misleading either. I&#8217;m only concerned to point out that to lie is to say something (you know to be) false. Since Palin did oppose the bridge, it&#8217;s not a lie for her to say she did. (`I told congress thanks but no thanks&#8217; is clearly not intended to be literally true.)</p>
<p>I suppose the question of how misleading the claim is becomes pretty important. (I wouldn&#8217;t quibble with saying something that was technically true but REALLY misleading was a lie. It&#8217;s certainly dishonest.) </p>
<p>Since my understanding is that during her tenure as governor she drastically reduced the number/amount of earmarks requested, and since that&#8217;s the issue (who cares about one bridge, it&#8217;s what the bridge signifies), I don&#8217;t find her comments excessively misleading. (By my lights, not as misleading as, say, saying `McCain said that anyone who made less that $5 million isn&#8217;t rich&#8217;.) In any case, the question of just how misleading her comments are probably isn&#8217;t one that can be conclusively settled.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Larison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Larison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would add that I have been equally unforgiving about Obama&#039;s misleading and false statements, such as his questionable claim about supporting welfare reform, when he was simply supporting the almost-unanimously-backed state authorizing law of a federal welfare reform bill that he publicly opposed.  I don&#039;t like dishonesty and exaggeration in politicians&#039; rhetoric, which is why I was such an unrelenting critic of Romney for his many fraudulent and false claims about himself and his record, and I find it particularly galling when it goes to the heart of a candidate&#039;s self-representation to the public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would add that I have been equally unforgiving about Obama&#8217;s misleading and false statements, such as his questionable claim about supporting welfare reform, when he was simply supporting the almost-unanimously-backed state authorizing law of a federal welfare reform bill that he publicly opposed.  I don&#8217;t like dishonesty and exaggeration in politicians&#8217; rhetoric, which is why I was such an unrelenting critic of Romney for his many fraudulent and false claims about himself and his record, and I find it particularly galling when it goes to the heart of a candidate&#8217;s self-representation to the public.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Larison</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/09/11/pro-palin-spin-going-nowhere-fast/comment-page-1/#comment-13796</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Larison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that she flipped her position, but all of her statements since being made the VP nominee give the impression that she always opposed it and that she was somehow particularly instrumental in shutting down the project.  We are seeing a deliberate effort at deception, and I call that lying.  The important point here is that she flipped her position only when the pork spending had been taken away from the project, so to say that she opposed the project after it was effectively dead is to say that she yielded to the new political reality.  It says nothing about her underlying desire to reform anything, nor does it fit with the story that they are telling about her.  She keeps saying that she told Congress, &quot;Thanks, but no thanks,&quot; but it was, in fact, Congress that told Alaska and Gov. Palin, &quot;Tough luck--we&#039;re not paying for that.&quot;  When she had the chance to say, &quot;No thanks&quot; when it would have counted for something--during the election when it would required real risks on her part--she did not.  She wants you to think that pretty much the exact opposite is the case, and I find that dishonest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that she flipped her position, but all of her statements since being made the VP nominee give the impression that she always opposed it and that she was somehow particularly instrumental in shutting down the project.  We are seeing a deliberate effort at deception, and I call that lying.  The important point here is that she flipped her position only when the pork spending had been taken away from the project, so to say that she opposed the project after it was effectively dead is to say that she yielded to the new political reality.  It says nothing about her underlying desire to reform anything, nor does it fit with the story that they are telling about her.  She keeps saying that she told Congress, &#8220;Thanks, but no thanks,&#8221; but it was, in fact, Congress that told Alaska and Gov. Palin, &#8220;Tough luck&#8211;we&#8217;re not paying for that.&#8221;  When she had the chance to say, &#8220;No thanks&#8221; when it would have counted for something&#8211;during the election when it would required real risks on her part&#8211;she did not.  She wants you to think that pretty much the exact opposite is the case, and I find that dishonest.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny5</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, what Palin and McCain say about Palin&#039;s opposition to the bridge is misleading. But almost everything said by both campaigns is misleading--that can&#039;t be what you&#039;re upset about. Now, I might concede that the bridge stuff is particularly misleading. But I&#039;m not sure why you want to call it a lie. According to FactCheck.org, and to the Obama campaign, Palin flip flopped on the bridge. And that seems to be the truth. Perhaps she flip-flopped for completely ignoble reasons. Maybe. But if she flip flopped, then it just follows as a matter of logic that `Palin opposed the bridge&#039; is true. That&#039;s what it means to flip-flop. Because she flipped, both `Palin opposed the bridge&#039; and `Palin supported the bridge&#039; are true, although both are misleading. What am I missing here? Or do you deny she flip-flopped?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, what Palin and McCain say about Palin&#8217;s opposition to the bridge is misleading. But almost everything said by both campaigns is misleading&#8211;that can&#8217;t be what you&#8217;re upset about. Now, I might concede that the bridge stuff is particularly misleading. But I&#8217;m not sure why you want to call it a lie. According to FactCheck.org, and to the Obama campaign, Palin flip flopped on the bridge. And that seems to be the truth. Perhaps she flip-flopped for completely ignoble reasons. Maybe. But if she flip flopped, then it just follows as a matter of logic that `Palin opposed the bridge&#8217; is true. That&#8217;s what it means to flip-flop. Because she flipped, both `Palin opposed the bridge&#8217; and `Palin supported the bridge&#8217; are true, although both are misleading. What am I missing here? Or do you deny she flip-flopped?</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny5</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the claims of the McCain/Palin campaign about the bridge are misleading. But almost everything said by both campaigns is misleading. This could be more misleading that other things, but I&#039;m just not sure why people insist on calling it a lie. FactCheck.org says she flip-flopped, and so did the Obama campaign originally, and this seems like a completely true statement. Maybe she even flip flopped for completely ignoble reasons. But if she flip-flopped then it just follows as a matter of logic that `She opposed the bridge&#039; is true, and also that `She supported the bridge&#039; is true. That&#039;s just what it means to flip flop. Where have I gone wrong here? Or do you deny that she flip-flopped on the bridge?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the claims of the McCain/Palin campaign about the bridge are misleading. But almost everything said by both campaigns is misleading. This could be more misleading that other things, but I&#8217;m just not sure why people insist on calling it a lie. FactCheck.org says she flip-flopped, and so did the Obama campaign originally, and this seems like a completely true statement. Maybe she even flip flopped for completely ignoble reasons. But if she flip-flopped then it just follows as a matter of logic that `She opposed the bridge&#8217; is true, and also that `She supported the bridge&#8217; is true. That&#8217;s just what it means to flip flop. Where have I gone wrong here? Or do you deny that she flip-flopped on the bridge?</p>
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		<title>By: Balloon Juice</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/09/11/pro-palin-spin-going-nowhere-fast/comment-page-1/#comment-13793</link>
		<dc:creator>Balloon Juice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Daniel Larison brutally puts the brakes on that nonsense: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Daniel Larison brutally puts the brakes on that nonsense: [...]</p>
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