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		<title>By: Conservative Heritage Times &#187; Some articles for your consideration</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conservative Heritage Times &#187; Some articles for your consideration</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] And Larison has another good post as to why social cons are going ga-ga for Palin. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] And Larison has another good post as to why social cons are going ga-ga for Palin. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Grumpy Old Man</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/09/03/huckabee-and-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-13532</link>
		<dc:creator>Grumpy Old Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 00:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s another angle here, as Steve Sailer has pointed out. We remain in awe of reproduction, which is ultimately a mystery. A fertile woman with five kids and a pregnant daughter, love her or fear her, has &lt;i&gt;mana&lt;/i&gt; (spiritual power) even (perhaps especially) in this age of miracle and wonder.

The second and third angles are class and region, Cambridge vs. Moscow, Idaho, windsurfing vs. snowmobiling, arugula vs. mooseburgers. Outside of what Peggy Noonan calls the Bubble, Moscow, snowmobiles, and moose meat win.

The Presidency is partly a quasi-royal position. Symbolism counts. The gun-toting beauty queen trumps the &quot;articulate&quot; Columbia-Harvard orator. The GQ suit suddenly seems mighty empty.

Should it be about the issues? Sure, but this is the country of TR, the Boy Orator of the Platte, &quot;Give &#039;Em Hell&quot; Harry, and the Great Communicator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s another angle here, as Steve Sailer has pointed out. We remain in awe of reproduction, which is ultimately a mystery. A fertile woman with five kids and a pregnant daughter, love her or fear her, has <i>mana</i> (spiritual power) even (perhaps especially) in this age of miracle and wonder.</p>
<p>The second and third angles are class and region, Cambridge vs. Moscow, Idaho, windsurfing vs. snowmobiling, arugula vs. mooseburgers. Outside of what Peggy Noonan calls the Bubble, Moscow, snowmobiles, and moose meat win.</p>
<p>The Presidency is partly a quasi-royal position. Symbolism counts. The gun-toting beauty queen trumps the &#8220;articulate&#8221; Columbia-Harvard orator. The GQ suit suddenly seems mighty empty.</p>
<p>Should it be about the issues? Sure, but this is the country of TR, the Boy Orator of the Platte, &#8220;Give &#8216;Em Hell&#8221; Harry, and the Great Communicator.</p>
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		<title>By: conradg</title>
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		<dc:creator>conradg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I don&#039;t understand is why McCain didn&#039;t pick Huckabee for VP. I think Huckabee&#039;s by far the most appealing candidate, the best speaker, and the shrewdest politician of all the possible choices. The only thing Palin has over him is ovaries. I think if McCain had picked Huckabee it would have energized the base even more than Palin without any of the negatives, and given McCain his best chance at actually winning. Thank God he chose Palin instead. What I find odd is that it doesn&#039;t appear that Huckabee was even in the running. I think McCain really blew it here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I don&#8217;t understand is why McCain didn&#8217;t pick Huckabee for VP. I think Huckabee&#8217;s by far the most appealing candidate, the best speaker, and the shrewdest politician of all the possible choices. The only thing Palin has over him is ovaries. I think if McCain had picked Huckabee it would have energized the base even more than Palin without any of the negatives, and given McCain his best chance at actually winning. Thank God he chose Palin instead. What I find odd is that it doesn&#8217;t appear that Huckabee was even in the running. I think McCain really blew it here.</p>
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		<title>By: LMaggitti</title>
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		<dc:creator>LMaggitti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it&#039;s just the GOP establishment that&#039;s at fault* here. Set aside the working class aspect of this: I&#039;m reasonably convinced that your average swing voter, who may well be broadly sympathetic to the social conservatism of the Republican party, is still not going to vote for an evangelical.

Relatedly, at times I think that the GOP position on social conservative issues - loud support in theory, little action in practice - is not JUST a reflection of the fact that your average GOP politician doesn&#039;t really share socially conservative values, but it a reflection of that same swing voter. They want their politicians to talk a good game with regard to social conservative issues, but don&#039;t REALLY want the relevant platform positions on abortion, etc., to be adopted.

*&quot;fault&quot; from the perspective of a social conservative and/or evangelical. I&#039;m neither, and I don&#039;t want either overlapping group to increase its political power, but I can sympathize with their frustration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s just the GOP establishment that&#8217;s at fault* here. Set aside the working class aspect of this: I&#8217;m reasonably convinced that your average swing voter, who may well be broadly sympathetic to the social conservatism of the Republican party, is still not going to vote for an evangelical.</p>
<p>Relatedly, at times I think that the GOP position on social conservative issues &#8211; loud support in theory, little action in practice &#8211; is not JUST a reflection of the fact that your average GOP politician doesn&#8217;t really share socially conservative values, but it a reflection of that same swing voter. They want their politicians to talk a good game with regard to social conservative issues, but don&#8217;t REALLY want the relevant platform positions on abortion, etc., to be adopted.</p>
<p>*&#8221;fault&#8221; from the perspective of a social conservative and/or evangelical. I&#8217;m neither, and I don&#8217;t want either overlapping group to increase its political power, but I can sympathize with their frustration.</p>
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		<title>By: Josiwe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josiwe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is only part of it. Broad swathes of the Republican constituency are not radical ideologues. Additionally, even the most oblivious voter has to recognize that the Republican party is the party of old white men.

For 18 months, the Democrats have laid claim to two historic candidates - a black man and a woman. Forget their actual values / positions / campaigns, the simple fact is that the left of the country has spent nearly two years pointing out how enlightened they are (with the unspoken implication that Republicans are all closet racists / sexists by default).

Now Palin arrives, and suddenly the Right gets a chance to be the party of equality, of opportunity, of multicultural melting-pot veneration. In other words, Palin&#039;s vagina gives them a rebuttal to holier-than-thou liberals. Obviously it&#039;s not the main reason her embrace has been so enthusiastic, but I think it&#039;s a part of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is only part of it. Broad swathes of the Republican constituency are not radical ideologues. Additionally, even the most oblivious voter has to recognize that the Republican party is the party of old white men.</p>
<p>For 18 months, the Democrats have laid claim to two historic candidates &#8211; a black man and a woman. Forget their actual values / positions / campaigns, the simple fact is that the left of the country has spent nearly two years pointing out how enlightened they are (with the unspoken implication that Republicans are all closet racists / sexists by default).</p>
<p>Now Palin arrives, and suddenly the Right gets a chance to be the party of equality, of opportunity, of multicultural melting-pot veneration. In other words, Palin&#8217;s vagina gives them a rebuttal to holier-than-thou liberals. Obviously it&#8217;s not the main reason her embrace has been so enthusiastic, but I think it&#8217;s a part of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Larison</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/09/03/huckabee-and-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-13521</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Larison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 20:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another way to think about it might be this way: the working-class evangelical is fine to have as a mascot and a symbol, but under no circumstances should the GOP trust any of them with the top position.  A skeptic might say that this ticket is the perfect illustration of how the GOP uses evangelicals for elections and then spends the next four years ignoring them on most everything that matters.  In exchange for the &quot;gift&quot; of Palin, the GOP will then expect complete support for whatever McCain wants to do.  The sad thing is that, should McCain somehow win, the party will get that support and more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another way to think about it might be this way: the working-class evangelical is fine to have as a mascot and a symbol, but under no circumstances should the GOP trust any of them with the top position.  A skeptic might say that this ticket is the perfect illustration of how the GOP uses evangelicals for elections and then spends the next four years ignoring them on most everything that matters.  In exchange for the &#8220;gift&#8221; of Palin, the GOP will then expect complete support for whatever McCain wants to do.  The sad thing is that, should McCain somehow win, the party will get that support and more.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam01</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 20:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, my enthusiasm is somewhat tempered by the realization that right now Gov. Palin is being assimilated by the AEI/AIPAC/Borg collective.  Sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, my enthusiasm is somewhat tempered by the realization that right now Gov. Palin is being assimilated by the AEI/AIPAC/Borg collective.  Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam01</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/09/03/huckabee-and-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-13518</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; Is it simply that Palin is in the No. 2 slot, which makes it easier to rally around such an â€œavatarâ€ than it would be if we were talking about the presidential nominee? I think there is something else going on.&quot;

Exactly so, because no one thinks that Palin is going to be Dick Cheney mark II, power behind the throne.  People are looking for her to be a living affirmation of a life and lifestyle that they idealize.  This is, of course, exactly the wrong reason to pick a VP candidate, and not at all a reason to vote for the ticket, especially as it throws into very sharp relief the contempt that McCain feels for the office.  But as a political pick, it was sheer genius.  I can&#039;t think of McCain without my gorge rising, but, as Ross Douthat said a few days ago, I am rooting for her (Gov. Palin) like crazy.  It is stupid and atavistic and crassly identatarian of me, I know, but there it is.

I have been impressed with Gov. Palin on many fronts, but I am inwardly cringing that she has simply been raised too high, too fast, too soon; that she will make a mistake and be ridiculed off the public stage, and one of the (precious few) rising conservative stars left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; Is it simply that Palin is in the No. 2 slot, which makes it easier to rally around such an â€œavatarâ€ than it would be if we were talking about the presidential nominee? I think there is something else going on.&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly so, because no one thinks that Palin is going to be Dick Cheney mark II, power behind the throne.  People are looking for her to be a living affirmation of a life and lifestyle that they idealize.  This is, of course, exactly the wrong reason to pick a VP candidate, and not at all a reason to vote for the ticket, especially as it throws into very sharp relief the contempt that McCain feels for the office.  But as a political pick, it was sheer genius.  I can&#8217;t think of McCain without my gorge rising, but, as Ross Douthat said a few days ago, I am rooting for her (Gov. Palin) like crazy.  It is stupid and atavistic and crassly identatarian of me, I know, but there it is.</p>
<p>I have been impressed with Gov. Palin on many fronts, but I am inwardly cringing that she has simply been raised too high, too fast, too soon; that she will make a mistake and be ridiculed off the public stage, and one of the (precious few) rising conservative stars left.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Larison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Larison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But that&#039;s just it--Huckabee already &lt;em&gt;was&lt;/em&gt; the embodiment of an evangelical, working-class (and Southern) culture.  That was half the problem that party and movement elites had with him, and it also didn&#039;t translate into the same degree of enthusiasm.  Now Palin comes along with approximately the same kind of background, obviously minus the Southern part, and she becomes the acceptable vessel of this culture.  What happened in the last six or eight months that made Palin so much more appealing to both elite and constituent than Huckabee was?  Is it simply that Palin is in the No. 2 slot, which makes it easier to rally around such an &quot;avatar&quot; than it would be if we were talking about the presidential nominee?  I think there is something else going on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But that&#8217;s just it&#8211;Huckabee already <em>was</em> the embodiment of an evangelical, working-class (and Southern) culture.  That was half the problem that party and movement elites had with him, and it also didn&#8217;t translate into the same degree of enthusiasm.  Now Palin comes along with approximately the same kind of background, obviously minus the Southern part, and she becomes the acceptable vessel of this culture.  What happened in the last six or eight months that made Palin so much more appealing to both elite and constituent than Huckabee was?  Is it simply that Palin is in the No. 2 slot, which makes it easier to rally around such an &#8220;avatar&#8221; than it would be if we were talking about the presidential nominee?  I think there is something else going on.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam01</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Palin enthusiasm is an expression of the desperation felt by those who are looking for a second chance.&quot;

Maybe partially, but I don&#039;t think that really explains the sheer depth and breath of the outpouring of support for this woman.  (Not just on the internets, in my own social/religious circle it has been nothing short of astonishing.)  She is fulfilling the same role that Obama is for both blacks and upper income-highly educated white voters:  they are both viewed as the avatars of their respective cultures, and view the success of the candidate as a resounding endorsement of their lifestyles, just as they would view the defeat of their candidate as a crushing blow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Palin enthusiasm is an expression of the desperation felt by those who are looking for a second chance.&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe partially, but I don&#8217;t think that really explains the sheer depth and breath of the outpouring of support for this woman.  (Not just on the internets, in my own social/religious circle it has been nothing short of astonishing.)  She is fulfilling the same role that Obama is for both blacks and upper income-highly educated white voters:  they are both viewed as the avatars of their respective cultures, and view the success of the candidate as a resounding endorsement of their lifestyles, just as they would view the defeat of their candidate as a crushing blow.</p>
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