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		<title>By: conradg</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/06/30/a-sad-tale/comment-page-1/#comment-11918</link>
		<dc:creator>conradg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 20:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bayesian,

Yes, I&#039;m aware of those factors, but wanted to simplify for the sake of argument. The point is that the French were unprepared for the German&#039;s blitzkrieg tactics, which overwhelmed them before they had any chance of effectively fighting back, and this had nothing to do with any lack of will power or bravery as Sowell is suggesting. The notion that the French are somehow cowards when it comes to fighting is one of the silliest military myths of our age. It&#039;s an attempt to reinforce the theme of &quot;moral decline&quot; in Europe, as if the French lost their fighting spirit after WWI. It&#039;s sheer nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bayesian,</p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;m aware of those factors, but wanted to simplify for the sake of argument. The point is that the French were unprepared for the German&#8217;s blitzkrieg tactics, which overwhelmed them before they had any chance of effectively fighting back, and this had nothing to do with any lack of will power or bravery as Sowell is suggesting. The notion that the French are somehow cowards when it comes to fighting is one of the silliest military myths of our age. It&#8217;s an attempt to reinforce the theme of &#8220;moral decline&#8221; in Europe, as if the French lost their fighting spirit after WWI. It&#8217;s sheer nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: bayesian</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/06/30/a-sad-tale/comment-page-1/#comment-11914</link>
		<dc:creator>bayesian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Conradg:

It&#039;s a tangent, I freely admit, but your 12:57 post certainly gives [me] the impression that you think the French expected the the Germans to bash themselves senseless on the Maginot line, rather than the reality that the French expected the major clash to be on the Belgian plain (note of course that the Maginot line was built before Belgium&#039;s turn to neutrality in 1936, which changed the French strategic environment rather substantially).  Note that some of the early German plans (i.e. Halder&#039;s OKW plans)  would have given the French what they expected (in terms of the meeting engagement somewhere aroundthe Dyle or Escaut).

I certainly hope and assume that you know better.  

You&#039;re quite correct about the French surrendering in 1940 because they had been beaten beyond any hope of recovery (just like they were beaten beyond hope of recovery in 1870, but after Sedan there was at least some basis for hope of a balance of power intervention from Austria or the UK, so one can understand the national govt fighting on for a few months).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Conradg:</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a tangent, I freely admit, but your 12:57 post certainly gives [me] the impression that you think the French expected the the Germans to bash themselves senseless on the Maginot line, rather than the reality that the French expected the major clash to be on the Belgian plain (note of course that the Maginot line was built before Belgium&#8217;s turn to neutrality in 1936, which changed the French strategic environment rather substantially).  Note that some of the early German plans (i.e. Halder&#8217;s OKW plans)  would have given the French what they expected (in terms of the meeting engagement somewhere aroundthe Dyle or Escaut).</p>
<p>I certainly hope and assume that you know better.  </p>
<p>You&#8217;re quite correct about the French surrendering in 1940 because they had been beaten beyond any hope of recovery (just like they were beaten beyond hope of recovery in 1870, but after Sedan there was at least some basis for hope of a balance of power intervention from Austria or the UK, so one can understand the national govt fighting on for a few months).</p>
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		<title>By: Adam01</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 12:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one element of recent conservative &quot;thought&quot; that really gets under my skin.  Whatever you think about France, she gave up a greater number of troops (out of a smaller population) in 6 weeks than the US did in the entirety of the Vietnam War.

&quot;The worship of â€œsacrificeâ€ becomes a desire to see our own countrymen die in greater and greater numbers just to acheive some sense of â€œsignificaneâ€. 

One wonders if such witless supporters envision military sacrifice as some type of Olympic contest, where the US must always win the gold...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one element of recent conservative &#8220;thought&#8221; that really gets under my skin.  Whatever you think about France, she gave up a greater number of troops (out of a smaller population) in 6 weeks than the US did in the entirety of the Vietnam War.</p>
<p>&#8220;The worship of â€œsacrificeâ€ becomes a desire to see our own countrymen die in greater and greater numbers just to acheive some sense of â€œsignificaneâ€. </p>
<p>One wonders if such witless supporters envision military sacrifice as some type of Olympic contest, where the US must always win the gold&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: conradg</title>
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		<dc:creator>conradg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 07:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, I&#039;m not even mentioning the sheer stupidity of not realizing that in 1940 France was completely outflanked by the German panzer divisions, and unprepared for such a battle, having invested themselves instead in the antiquainted Maiginot Line defense. It wasn&#039;t a lack of bravery that led to their collapse and surrender, but utter military defeat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, I&#8217;m not even mentioning the sheer stupidity of not realizing that in 1940 France was completely outflanked by the German panzer divisions, and unprepared for such a battle, having invested themselves instead in the antiquainted Maiginot Line defense. It wasn&#8217;t a lack of bravery that led to their collapse and surrender, but utter military defeat.</p>
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		<title>By: conradg</title>
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		<dc:creator>conradg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 07:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something about these people is more than a little sad, it&#039;s pathological. The worship of &quot;sacrifice&quot; becomes a desire to see our own countrymen die in greater and greater numbers just to acheive some sense of &quot;significane&quot;. If other countries lead more of their soldiers into pointless and preventable deaths than we do, this somehow makes them greater than us, and we somehow have to compete at sarificing even more of our own for some cause or other. Anyone who doesn&#039;t go along with this plan is a wuss, a softie, a coward. Whereas charging mindlessly in to machine gun nests is a sign of patriotic bravery. I&#039;d certainly like to see more neocons like Sowell participate in such charges, rather than cheer on from the sidelines at the sight of so much blood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something about these people is more than a little sad, it&#8217;s pathological. The worship of &#8220;sacrifice&#8221; becomes a desire to see our own countrymen die in greater and greater numbers just to acheive some sense of &#8220;significane&#8221;. If other countries lead more of their soldiers into pointless and preventable deaths than we do, this somehow makes them greater than us, and we somehow have to compete at sarificing even more of our own for some cause or other. Anyone who doesn&#8217;t go along with this plan is a wuss, a softie, a coward. Whereas charging mindlessly in to machine gun nests is a sign of patriotic bravery. I&#8217;d certainly like to see more neocons like Sowell participate in such charges, rather than cheer on from the sidelines at the sight of so much blood.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Larison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Larison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 06:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You were.  I got sidetracked by many things.  I&#039;ll see what I can do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You were.  I got sidetracked by many things.  I&#8217;ll see what I can do.</p>
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		<title>By: ducinaltum</title>
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		<dc:creator>ducinaltum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 06:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Say...weren&#039;t we promised that the re-direct from www.larison.org would be set up sometime in Feb?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Say&#8230;weren&#8217;t we promised that the re-direct from <a href="http://www.larison.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.larison.org</a> would be set up sometime in Feb?</p>
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