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	<title>Comments on: Nader And Michigan</title>
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		<title>By: Adam01</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/06/19/nader-and-michigan/comment-page-1/#comment-11690</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jamesvkruse, 

Though Bush lost Michgan twice, it was a tighter race in 2004 vs. Kerry than it was in 2000 vs. Gore.  I would agree that it is a bit of a stretch (and I&#039;ll take that 5-taco bet) but not unthinkable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jamesvkruse, </p>
<p>Though Bush lost Michgan twice, it was a tighter race in 2004 vs. Kerry than it was in 2000 vs. Gore.  I would agree that it is a bit of a stretch (and I&#8217;ll take that 5-taco bet) but not unthinkable.</p>
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		<title>By: General Mobius</title>
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		<dc:creator>General Mobius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The five-taco bet is with me.

Here are what I see as the most relevant demographic facts about Michigan: almost everyone is either a student, a union member, or black.  Michigan is also probably the weakest state in the entire Union economically right now - unemployment north of 7%.

To the extent that any of this matters, Obama beats McCain soundly.  He will win students, blacks, and union members by a large margin, because that&#039;s what Democrats do.  On the flipside, the Republican &quot;incumbent&quot; is going to have an extremely hard time dealing with people who are extremely unsatisfied with the economy.  I agree with Daniel that Obama misses a huge opportunity in Michigan to exploit NAFTA - which is not even slightly popular there - but it&#039;s worth noting that he&#039;s still to McCain&#039;s left on that issue.  It&#039;s hard to imagine someone making NAFTA animosity an election-deciding issue and then picking McCain.  It&#039;s somewhat more likely to imagine the insurgency Daniel discusses here, but I think the specter of 2000 is still too great for that to be realistic.

Obama looks weak in Michigan now, I think, because of the lingering primary issues.  Although do please note Rasmussen&#039;s latest poll has Obama up by 3.  I expect that, as opinions settle over the course of the general, Obama will solidify his support in Michigan and not look back.  My only caveat is that McCain has a historical tie to Michigan - it was one of his major primary wins in 2000 - and he is still viewed quite fondly by the people of the state.  Ultimately I don&#039;t think that&#039;ll matter, but it&#039;s worth thinking about.

It may also be worth mentioning that Obama&#039;s ground game will be dominant.  There is virtually no Republican Party apparatus to speak of in Michigan - which is largely responsible for the fact that Michigan&#039;s governor and both senators are Democrats (i.e., it&#039;s not because Granholm and Stabenow are good candidates on the merits).  That will be problematic for a guy who is going to be outraised something like 2 or 3 to 1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The five-taco bet is with me.</p>
<p>Here are what I see as the most relevant demographic facts about Michigan: almost everyone is either a student, a union member, or black.  Michigan is also probably the weakest state in the entire Union economically right now &#8211; unemployment north of 7%.</p>
<p>To the extent that any of this matters, Obama beats McCain soundly.  He will win students, blacks, and union members by a large margin, because that&#8217;s what Democrats do.  On the flipside, the Republican &#8220;incumbent&#8221; is going to have an extremely hard time dealing with people who are extremely unsatisfied with the economy.  I agree with Daniel that Obama misses a huge opportunity in Michigan to exploit NAFTA &#8211; which is not even slightly popular there &#8211; but it&#8217;s worth noting that he&#8217;s still to McCain&#8217;s left on that issue.  It&#8217;s hard to imagine someone making NAFTA animosity an election-deciding issue and then picking McCain.  It&#8217;s somewhat more likely to imagine the insurgency Daniel discusses here, but I think the specter of 2000 is still too great for that to be realistic.</p>
<p>Obama looks weak in Michigan now, I think, because of the lingering primary issues.  Although do please note Rasmussen&#8217;s latest poll has Obama up by 3.  I expect that, as opinions settle over the course of the general, Obama will solidify his support in Michigan and not look back.  My only caveat is that McCain has a historical tie to Michigan &#8211; it was one of his major primary wins in 2000 &#8211; and he is still viewed quite fondly by the people of the state.  Ultimately I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;ll matter, but it&#8217;s worth thinking about.</p>
<p>It may also be worth mentioning that Obama&#8217;s ground game will be dominant.  There is virtually no Republican Party apparatus to speak of in Michigan &#8211; which is largely responsible for the fact that Michigan&#8217;s governor and both senators are Democrats (i.e., it&#8217;s not because Granholm and Stabenow are good candidates on the merits).  That will be problematic for a guy who is going to be outraised something like 2 or 3 to 1.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam01</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;five-taco bet&quot;

?!?

Evidently I skipped class that day.  

Anyway, back to Michigan.

http://www.pollster.com/08-MI-Pres-GE-MvO.php 

 The spread between Kerry &amp; Bush in MI was only 165000 or so out of nearly 5 million cast, so it&#039;s not unthinkable that Kerry could pull it off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;five-taco bet&#8221;</p>
<p>?!?</p>
<p>Evidently I skipped class that day.  </p>
<p>Anyway, back to Michigan.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pollster.com/08-MI-Pres-GE-MvO.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.pollster.com/08-MI-Pres-GE-MvO.php</a> </p>
<p> The spread between Kerry &amp; Bush in MI was only 165000 or so out of nearly 5 million cast, so it&#8217;s not unthinkable that Kerry could pull it off.</p>
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		<title>By: jamesvkruse</title>
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		<dc:creator>jamesvkruse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Michigan native, I have a hard time believing that McCain will win here.  Ever since 2000, the state&#039;s been voting more Democratic, the economy here is terrible, and McCain is a terrible candidate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Michigan native, I have a hard time believing that McCain will win here.  Ever since 2000, the state&#8217;s been voting more Democratic, the economy here is terrible, and McCain is a terrible candidate.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Larison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Larison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 19:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;do they see some weakness there that others do not?&quot;

I think you&#039;re right to read something into the location of the endorsements (and it is also probably a tacit admission that many of the Uncommitted voters back in January were Edwards voters), but I would remind everyone that I have a five-taco bet riding on the assumption that Obama is weak in Michigan and will end up losing the state.  If others do not see Obama&#039;s weakness in Michigan, it is because they have not been looking closely enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;do they see some weakness there that others do not?&#8221;</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re right to read something into the location of the endorsements (and it is also probably a tacit admission that many of the Uncommitted voters back in January were Edwards voters), but I would remind everyone that I have a five-taco bet riding on the assumption that Obama is weak in Michigan and will end up losing the state.  If others do not see Obama&#8217;s weakness in Michigan, it is because they have not been looking closely enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam01</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 19:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The interesting thing about Michigan:  Obama chose to roll out the Edwards and Gore endorsements there.   Scheduling coincedence or do they see some weakness there that others do not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The interesting thing about Michigan:  Obama chose to roll out the Edwards and Gore endorsements there.   Scheduling coincedence or do they see some weakness there that others do not?</p>
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