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	<title>Comments on: Accepting That You Have &#8220;Nowhere To Go&#8221; Is To Go Nowhere</title>
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		<title>By: Eunomia &#187; Life And War</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/03/28/accepting-that-you-have-nowhere-to-go-is-to-go-nowhere/comment-page-1/#comment-9863</link>
		<dc:creator>Eunomia &#187; Life And War</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ross responds to the paleo onslaught.Â  I would also point to Dan&#8217;s direct response to Ross&#8217; argument as the starting point for my own reply.Â  Dan writes: Bacevich has the better of the argument, at least as regards abortion. The GOP has had opportunities to overturn Roe beforeâ€”at any point when Republicans controlled the House, Senate, and White House, Congress could have restricted the Supreme Courtâ€™s jurisdiction over abortion using the powers invested in the legislative branch by Article III of the Constitution, overturning Roe at a stroke. Perhaps they were right not to do so: the powers of Article III, Section 2 have rarely been used in such a manner, and the precedent could easily have boomeranged against conservatives once the Democrats took Congress. Nevertheless, if the GOP were as adamantly pro-life as pro-lifers are encouraged to believe it is, the Republican Congress could have voided Roe any time between 2003 and 2007. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ross responds to the paleo onslaught.Â  I would also point to Dan&#8217;s direct response to Ross&#8217; argument as the starting point for my own reply.Â  Dan writes: Bacevich has the better of the argument, at least as regards abortion. The GOP has had opportunities to overturn Roe beforeâ€”at any point when Republicans controlled the House, Senate, and White House, Congress could have restricted the Supreme Courtâ€™s jurisdiction over abortion using the powers invested in the legislative branch by Article III of the Constitution, overturning Roe at a stroke. Perhaps they were right not to do so: the powers of Article III, Section 2 have rarely been used in such a manner, and the precedent could easily have boomeranged against conservatives once the Democrats took Congress. Nevertheless, if the GOP were as adamantly pro-life as pro-lifers are encouraged to believe it is, the Republican Congress could have voided Roe any time between 2003 and 2007. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: tz</title>
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		<dc:creator>tz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The GOP had the house, senate, and whitehouse and still did almost nothing on the pro-life issue (and Bush the juvenile still refuses to sign the executive order the supreme court held constitutional to prevent any federal funds from being used where abortions are performed which would damaged or at least greatly inconvenienced Planned Parenthood).

And we get pro-life &quot;good-guy&quot; Rick Santorum telling everyone to get out and vote for the notorious pro-abort Arlen Spectre in a very close primary battle against 100% pro-life Pat Toomey.  (And to RS - explaining is not repenting).

Allow me to laugh in the faces of those in Catholic media who trumpet both Santorum and &quot;the non-negotiables&quot;.  Hey, maybe they can get Santorum to do an ad telling everyone why it is critical they vote pro-life.

And the war is not just if you simply apply the conditions and theory equally to our abortion holocaust (grave, nothing has worked, success, limited collateral damage) and Iraq or Afghanistan.  Prudential judgment is not political calculation, and those who won&#039;t do to abortionists or their clinics what they will do to an insurgent (and their family!) in their home in Iraq, are psychotic, irrational, and/or sociopaths.

Abortion sets the threshold for the just use of force or violence.  Move it where you will but apply it equally, that is with justice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The GOP had the house, senate, and whitehouse and still did almost nothing on the pro-life issue (and Bush the juvenile still refuses to sign the executive order the supreme court held constitutional to prevent any federal funds from being used where abortions are performed which would damaged or at least greatly inconvenienced Planned Parenthood).</p>
<p>And we get pro-life &#8220;good-guy&#8221; Rick Santorum telling everyone to get out and vote for the notorious pro-abort Arlen Spectre in a very close primary battle against 100% pro-life Pat Toomey.  (And to RS &#8211; explaining is not repenting).</p>
<p>Allow me to laugh in the faces of those in Catholic media who trumpet both Santorum and &#8220;the non-negotiables&#8221;.  Hey, maybe they can get Santorum to do an ad telling everyone why it is critical they vote pro-life.</p>
<p>And the war is not just if you simply apply the conditions and theory equally to our abortion holocaust (grave, nothing has worked, success, limited collateral damage) and Iraq or Afghanistan.  Prudential judgment is not political calculation, and those who won&#8217;t do to abortionists or their clinics what they will do to an insurgent (and their family!) in their home in Iraq, are psychotic, irrational, and/or sociopaths.</p>
<p>Abortion sets the threshold for the just use of force or violence.  Move it where you will but apply it equally, that is with justice.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Larison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Larison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think I have written on it at any great length.  My view on backing the Democrats in 2006 was primarily punitive and concerned with accountability; I didn&#039;t hold out a lot of hope that it would lead to some better result within the GOP.  It was simply that they deserved to lose, and the only way to achieve that was through supporting the other side.  

But I don&#039;t think anyone can reliably predict with enough certainty to justify voting largely against their interests in the hopes of gaining something on just one issue.  To do so assumes that the party or candidate you are supporting places the same importance on the single issue that you, the single-issue voter, do, and this is almost never the case.  Now, when it comes to something like war, I can see the logic of an argument that there may be a moral obligation to try to contribute to a just policy by supporting the candidate, in this case, who is against the war.  But generally I think this puts too much weight on any one issue.  Antiwar voters who backed Obama because of Iraq will probably come to feel as foolish in a year or two as the pro-lifers who backed Bush who now regret doing so because of the war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think I have written on it at any great length.  My view on backing the Democrats in 2006 was primarily punitive and concerned with accountability; I didn&#8217;t hold out a lot of hope that it would lead to some better result within the GOP.  It was simply that they deserved to lose, and the only way to achieve that was through supporting the other side.  </p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t think anyone can reliably predict with enough certainty to justify voting largely against their interests in the hopes of gaining something on just one issue.  To do so assumes that the party or candidate you are supporting places the same importance on the single issue that you, the single-issue voter, do, and this is almost never the case.  Now, when it comes to something like war, I can see the logic of an argument that there may be a moral obligation to try to contribute to a just policy by supporting the candidate, in this case, who is against the war.  But generally I think this puts too much weight on any one issue.  Antiwar voters who backed Obama because of Iraq will probably come to feel as foolish in a year or two as the pro-lifers who backed Bush who now regret doing so because of the war.</p>
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		<title>By: tedschan</title>
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		<dc:creator>tedschan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(I am wondering whether the rise in advocacy of strategic voting is tied to utilitarianism or some other &#039;pragmatic&#039; calculus, and does not have a foundation in traditional conservatism or a traditional understanding of what a voter&#039;s obligations are. Some Catholics have even cited John Paul II to claim that strategic voting is a moral imperative.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(I am wondering whether the rise in advocacy of strategic voting is tied to utilitarianism or some other &#8216;pragmatic&#8217; calculus, and does not have a foundation in traditional conservatism or a traditional understanding of what a voter&#8217;s obligations are. Some Catholics have even cited John Paul II to claim that strategic voting is a moral imperative.)</p>
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		<title>By: tedschan</title>
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		<dc:creator>tedschan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Larison, I think you would maintain that strategic voting is not a moral obligation--have you given an extended treatment of this question somewhere?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Larison, I think you would maintain that strategic voting is not a moral obligation&#8211;have you given an extended treatment of this question somewhere?</p>
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