Comments on: Oh, No http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/03/27/oh-no/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=oh-no n. the principle of good order<br /><br /> "Observe the strange inversion of all order and sense! Dignity debased; how vilely is the function of a consul prostituted!" ~The Craftsman Fri, 10 Feb 2012 02:25:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Zarathustra http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/03/27/oh-no/comment-page-1/#comment-9826 Zarathustra Sat, 29 Mar 2008 23:02:58 +0000 http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/03/27/oh-no/#comment-9826 <blockquote>Following the links around, I was amused by the fact that there is a Libertarian Party candidate named “Jingozian.” </blockquote> And there's something wrong with that name because, well, why exactly?

Following the links around, I was amused by the fact that there is a Libertarian Party candidate named “Jingozian.”

And there’s something wrong with that name because, well, why exactly?

]]> By: RedPhillips http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/03/27/oh-no/comment-page-1/#comment-9808 RedPhillips Sat, 29 Mar 2008 05:34:50 +0000 http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/03/27/oh-no/#comment-9808 Herman, the problem is that Roy Moore has not yet been convinced to run. Herman, the problem is that Roy Moore has not yet been convinced to run.

]]> By: Herman http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/03/27/oh-no/comment-page-1/#comment-9803 Herman Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:28:38 +0000 http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/03/27/oh-no/#comment-9803 Wow, I had forgotten about Keyes aside from being the answer to the trivia question, "Who was the carpetbagger sacrificed against Obama in 2004?" I figured the CP would go with Roy Moore. Following the links around, I was amused by the fact that there is a Libertarian Party candidate named "Jingozian." Then considering how many LP candidates there are in a given Presidential election, it isn't surprising. There are probably two or three commenters on this blog running for the LP nomination. Wow, I had forgotten about Keyes aside from being the answer to the trivia question, “Who was the carpetbagger sacrificed against Obama in 2004?” I figured the CP would go with Roy Moore.

Following the links around, I was amused by the fact that there is a Libertarian Party candidate named “Jingozian.” Then considering how many LP candidates there are in a given Presidential election, it isn’t surprising. There are probably two or three commenters on this blog running for the LP nomination.

]]> By: Tom Piatak http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/03/27/oh-no/comment-page-1/#comment-9798 Tom Piatak Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:14:37 +0000 http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/03/27/oh-no/#comment-9798 Red, I have no influence over the Constitution Party, other than voting for the party's presidential nominee in '96 and '04 and planning to do so again this year, until I read here that Alan Keyes might be the nominee. I suggest contacting Phillips yourself and sending him this thread. Thomas Fleming's description of Keyes contained in the post Daniel linked to is entirely accurate. Red,

I have no influence over the Constitution Party, other than voting for the party’s presidential nominee in ’96 and ’04 and planning to do so again this year, until I read here that Alan Keyes might be the nominee. I suggest contacting Phillips yourself and sending him this thread. Thomas Fleming’s description of Keyes contained in the post Daniel linked to is entirely accurate.

]]> By: Conservative Heritage Times » Larison’s take on Keyes http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/03/27/oh-no/comment-page-1/#comment-9797 Conservative Heritage Times » Larison’s take on Keyes Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:52:22 +0000 http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/03/27/oh-no/#comment-9797 [...] Eunomia sounds the alarm on Keyes winning the CP nomination: [...] [...] Eunomia sounds the alarm on Keyes winning the CP nomination: [...]

]]> By: RedPhillips http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/03/27/oh-no/comment-page-1/#comment-9788 RedPhillips Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:39:43 +0000 http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/03/27/oh-no/#comment-9788 Dispite superficial appearances, Keyes is a horrible fit for the Constitution Party on the religion issue and others. The CP is a particularly Christian party as any conservative party in America should be as the country they are attempting to conserve is (was?) a particularly Christian country. Keyes is a universalist Straussian. While he is more theistic than many Straussians and more explicitly Christian, at base he is still a Straussian. He is also a baptized member of the Lincoln Cult. The CP is anti-Iraq War and anti-intervention. Keyes is wrong on both these issues. Daniel and Tom, if you have any influence at all with Howard Phillips or any of the other CP leadership, I hope you will contact them and let them know what a disaster a Keyes nomination will be. Or if you have influence with someone else who has influence with them. I count on being able to vote for the CP nominee every four years. Losing them as an option will really hurt. Dispite superficial appearances, Keyes is a horrible fit for the Constitution Party on the religion issue and others. The CP is a particularly Christian party as any conservative party in America should be as the country they are attempting to conserve is (was?) a particularly Christian country. Keyes is a universalist Straussian. While he is more theistic than many Straussians and more explicitly Christian, at base he is still a Straussian. He is also a baptized member of the Lincoln Cult.

The CP is anti-Iraq War and anti-intervention. Keyes is wrong on both these issues.

Daniel and Tom, if you have any influence at all with Howard Phillips or any of the other CP leadership, I hope you will contact them and let them know what a disaster a Keyes nomination will be. Or if you have influence with someone else who has influence with them.

I count on being able to vote for the CP nominee every four years. Losing them as an option will really hurt.

]]> By: Daniel Larison http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/03/27/oh-no/comment-page-1/#comment-9781 Daniel Larison Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:39:33 +0000 http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/03/27/oh-no/#comment-9781 Thanks, Tom. Those are a couple good reasons. My earlier remarks on Keyes at the time of his carpetbagging run for Illinois Senate are <a href="http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2004/08/10/the-worthless-illinois-senate-race/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Thanks, Tom. Those are a couple good reasons. My earlier remarks on Keyes at the time of his carpetbagging run for Illinois Senate are here.

]]> By: Tom Piatak http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/03/27/oh-no/comment-page-1/#comment-9780 Tom Piatak Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:28:02 +0000 http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/03/27/oh-no/#comment-9780 Alan Keyes is a lunatic and his '96 campaign insured that Bob Dole won Iowa. If Buchanan had won Iowa instead, American politics might look different today. Alan Keyes is a lunatic and his ’96 campaign insured that Bob Dole won Iowa. If Buchanan had won Iowa instead, American politics might look different today.

]]> By: John http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/03/27/oh-no/comment-page-1/#comment-9768 John Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:46:05 +0000 http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/03/27/oh-no/#comment-9768 Daniel, could you say a bit more about why you have such a distaste for Keyes? I'm not questioning whether it's justified; I'm just interested to know what's behind it. Some years ago when I was an undergraduate, I thought his rhetoric was terrific. I imagine that now I'd find his showmanship a bit overblown, to say the least, but I'm wondering if there's anything specific that has made you go from someone who - like me - once "bought what [he] was selling" to your current view of him ("ludicrous fraud", and all that). Again, not challenging - just wondering ... Daniel, could you say a bit more about why you have such a distaste for Keyes? I’m not questioning whether it’s justified; I’m just interested to know what’s behind it. Some years ago when I was an undergraduate, I thought his rhetoric was terrific. I imagine that now I’d find his showmanship a bit overblown, to say the least, but I’m wondering if there’s anything specific that has made you go from someone who – like me – once “bought what [he] was selling” to your current view of him (“ludicrous fraud”, and all that). Again, not challenging – just wondering …

]]> By: Daniel Larison http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/03/27/oh-no/comment-page-1/#comment-9766 Daniel Larison Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:48:00 +0000 http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/03/27/oh-no/#comment-9766 Oh, yes, Keyes' usual spiel fits the party well. He's very good at manipulating the hopes of Christian conservatives who are deeply frustrated by the status quo, but I think it's just a racket for him. Oh, yes, Keyes’ usual spiel fits the party well. He’s very good at manipulating the hopes of Christian conservatives who are deeply frustrated by the status quo, but I think it’s just a racket for him.

]]> By: taxman10m http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/03/27/oh-no/comment-page-1/#comment-9764 taxman10m Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:35:20 +0000 http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/03/27/oh-no/#comment-9764 It may be the vehicle for Keyes latest ego trip, but he also is a good match for the party. On name alone the Constitution Party sounds like it would be great. But the Party, like Keyes, gets very preachy. From the Constitution Party Platform Preamble:<a href="http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php</a> <i>The Constitution Party gratefully acknowledges the blessing of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as Creator, Preserver and Ruler of the Universe and of these United States. We hereby appeal to Him for mercy, aid, comfort, guidance and the protection of His Providence as we work to restore and preserve these United States. This great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been and are afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here. The goal of the Constitution Party is to restore American jurisprudence to its Biblical foundations and to limit the federal government to its Constitutional boundaries.</i> I can picture Keyes reading it in his usual style. It may be the vehicle for Keyes latest ego trip, but he also is a good match for the party. On name alone the Constitution Party sounds like it would be great. But the Party, like Keyes, gets very preachy.
From the Constitution Party Platform Preamble:http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php

The Constitution Party gratefully acknowledges the blessing of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as Creator, Preserver and Ruler of the Universe and of these United States. We hereby appeal to Him for mercy, aid, comfort, guidance and the protection of His Providence as we work to restore and preserve these United States.

This great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been and are afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.

The goal of the Constitution Party is to restore American jurisprudence to its Biblical foundations and to limit the federal government to its Constitutional boundaries.

I can picture Keyes reading it in his usual style.

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